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Offline killwater

Schooners never reach 18km/h
« on: February 14, 2016, 12:01:31 AM »
They cruise at 14-15km/h instead.

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2016, 03:01:48 AM »
As a guess it will be due to insufficient power, or inaccurate drag mechanics.

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2016, 11:31:35 AM »
Well I guess I just need to wait for the wind to pick up a little ;)

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2016, 12:05:38 PM »
I have moved this to the pakset forum, as this is a pakset issue. Do they reach 18km/h empty, or do they always go at 14-15km/h? It is very difficult to balance the "power" of a wind-based vehicle, as it is entirely dependant on wind strength in reality, which is not modelled in Simutrans.
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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2016, 04:14:32 PM »
Always at 15km/h empty 14-15km/h half full.

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2016, 04:16:30 PM »
It would help me enormously if you could tinker with the "global_power_factor_percent" to see what the minimum percentage increase that will allow the schooner to reach full speed fully laden is.
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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2016, 06:54:38 PM »
This does not make any difference. I changed the value then saved and reloaded the game. Getting a new vehicle does not change that neither.

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2016, 10:37:09 PM »
Did you alter it in simuconf.tab or in the advanced settings window in-game?
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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2016, 06:48:48 PM »
Both.

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2016, 12:35:32 AM »
Altering it in simuconf.tab would have no effect on a running game. Does altering global_force_factor_percent in the advanced settings window make any difference?
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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2016, 10:58:02 AM »
Of you mean here than the answer is there is no difference:

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2016, 11:06:00 AM »
Yes, I do mean there. Can I confirm that at 9999 global_power_factor_percent and 9999 global_force_factor_percent, shcooners in open water (not on a way which might have a speed restriction) will travel at no more than 15km/h when loaded, but will travel at 18km/h empty?
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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2016, 12:39:19 PM »
Yes that is correct. However I cannot go over 1000 and they do not go over 15km/h even when empty.

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2016, 02:03:09 PM »
I am afraid that I am not able to reproduce this. Can you tell me exactly what version that you are using and your exact steps to reproduce?
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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2016, 10:42:10 PM »
All my schooners work like that. Doesn't matter what type of cargo or any other properties.

"The Queen" ferry runs at 40km/h so it is ok. Clyde puffer runs at 15km/h as intended.
Clan line ship runs at 18km/h instead of 20. Windjammer runs at 18km/h instead of 20km/h.
 
As for the version - well I do not know - I complied experimental fresh from the sources yesterday morning.

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2016, 09:55:05 AM »
Another anomaly 1km/h instead of 20km/h when loaded. See attached screenshot.

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2016, 12:27:34 PM »
Thank you for that; the Clan Line problem I have found and fixed, but the windjammer issue I do not understand, as its maximum speed is set as 18km/h. Are you sure that you are using the latest Github sources for the pakset?
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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2016, 08:57:01 PM »
I compiled it probably a month ago or so. I could try to do it again tomorrow. Another thing I get a max speed of zero in red for handysize bulk goods in the depot. Just buy it and it is red and max speed is zero. I do not know how fast does it go as I can never fill it with 20kt of coal ;)

By the way one could really use a coaster with a smaller hold as well as a general cargo ship with all the holds but bulk, cars and animals.

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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2016, 09:49:09 PM »
I have fixed the handysize - thank you for the report. Can you explain the issue with the coaster; why can it not be used with a smaller hold?
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Re: Schooners never reach 18km/h
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2016, 07:32:29 PM »
This was general remark as for a long time there is only a Clan Line ship available (with only a single cargo carrying capability and it has a huge hold) until TT European Class freight ferry is introduced in 1975 (about which I did not know at the time of writing this post).  None of them can navigate medium rivers though.

Unfortunately I did not have enough time to make new builds this weekend to retest. I am sorry about that.