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Offline colonyan

Negative Growth Point
« on: December 28, 2014, 04:40:28 AM »
This is not suggesting cities to dwindle in size. But rather under served ones will take time penalty to grow further.

-Example-
Say a village of 110 population is left unserved for 20 years. After its grace period of 10 years, give it internal negative population of 100.
To this village to be able to grow over 110 population, player must first negate -100 population worth of service to village.
Meanwhile, village should behave same. That means generate pass/mail same way.

-How-
Give each cities thresholdservice level requirement for an example.
For simple example, say a village generate 100 passengers in time T.
It got service threshold of 50%.
If player service is 50%(successfully departing 50 passenger), it will not get penalty. But will not grow neither.
If player service is 75%, it will grow 50% of what it should be.
If player service is 100%(serves all demand), village will grow 100% of what it should be.

-Why this feature(1)-
To feedback more accurately how well the player is serving the customers. Even mediocre service will somehow grow
the cities with time. Player can fast forward the game or leave the time flow away from game.

-Why this feature(2)-
Currently cities grow indefinitely and it is infinite race against ever growing demand. Race could be avoided by
INTENTIONALLY not serving some part of cities or industry but it goes against games goal of transporting people and goods.
With this, growth is much more dependent on how well cities are served.
Reflecting player service quality to growth speed much more.

-Problem and thoughts-
Bigger map will suffer from this.
How to set grace period?
How about all cities got different grace period?
« Last Edit: December 28, 2014, 05:00:28 AM by colonyan »

Offline DrSuperGood

Re: Negative Growth Point
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2014, 05:46:16 AM »
This feature looks to me like a usability nightmare. Cities already grow far slower than you would like with small towns of "110" population taking possibly 50 years when served 100% (max growth) before reaching a reasonable size of a few thousand people.

The problem with infinite population needs "global growth" to fix. Global growth is where towns are allocated growth from a pool of total growth. Since it is calculated globally you can also enforce global population limits which vary with time (the finite world resources model). Industry is then generated from this population either every X people (linear) or with some form os scaling (non-linear decay).

Doing such a change would solve two major issues.
  • Founding towns causing a population explosion. More towns would mean less growth each for the same total growth. Also means less industries from lots of small towns.
  • Global performance metrics become important to maximize global population. Maximum population can only be reached if 100% of mail, passengers and goods are shipped. Since more people generally lowers that metric it will self-regulate meaning that if a player wants growth they will need to expand to prevent stagnation.

Offline colonyan

Re: Negative Growth Point
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2014, 06:12:32 AM »
Very interesting insights. Global growth and finite world resource model sounds very good element to think about.
Actually, I want to see a system where industry generation is more controlled than current way. Also make cities to behave more differently.
I will consider more about this.

This feature looks to me like a usability nightmare. Cities already grow far slower than you would like with small towns of "110" population taking possibly 50 years when served 100% (max growth) before reaching a reasonable size of a few thousand people.

I agree with this if village also happen to not have final freight consumer industry. But I also think not all village need to grow nor they have to. Globally, population should grow but not everywhere.