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Offline thegamer7893 england

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ETCS [ERTMS] was first used/introduced/designed in 2000
« on: June 29, 2019, 02:05:01 PM »
Hi James, just passing on some information reguarding ETCS/ERTMS, it was first used/introduced/designed in 2000.

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Re: ETCS [ERTMS] was first used/introduced/designed in 2000
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2019, 10:09:21 AM »
Thank you for letting me know; however, to which level are you referring? ETRMS level 1 is, so far as the things simulated in Simutrans is concerned, not significantly different to ordinary track circuit block signalling. It is ETRMS level 2 (cab signalling) that is the significant innovation in functional terms, and it is the introduction date of that which is relevant.

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Re: ETCS [ERTMS] was first used/introduced/designed in 2000
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2019, 06:33:50 PM »
Thank you for letting me know; however, to which level are you referring? ETRMS level 1 is, so far as the things simulated in Simutrans is concerned, not significantly different to ordinary track circuit block signalling. It is ETRMS level 2 (cab signalling) that is the significant innovation in functional terms, and it is the introduction date of that which is relevant.

TBH, I'm not sure because theres no real information on which Level was introduced first.

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Re: ETCS [ERTMS] was first used/introduced/designed in 2000
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2019, 07:00:41 PM »
It is a matter of what is relevant to the pak. If that is introduction in the UK, then it would be inconsistent with introducing TVM in 1981, which is the introduction date in France, instead of 1994 when the Chunnel opened. However, the introduction of the APT may constitute a good reason for that.

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Re: ETCS [ERTMS] was first used/introduced/designed in 2000
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 04:49:05 PM »
It is a matter of what is relevant to the pak. If that is introduction in the UK, then it would be inconsistent with introducing TVM in 1981, which is the introduction date in France, instead of 1994 when the Chunnel opened. However, the introduction of the APT may constitute a good reason for that.

True point

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Re: ETCS [ERTMS] was first used/introduced/designed in 2000
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 09:30:11 PM »
The relevant point, I think, is when ETRMS level 2 would first have been available to any hypothetical railway company in the UK, not necessarily when it was, in fact, first installed in the UK.

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Re: ETCS [ERTMS] was first used/introduced/designed in 2000
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2019, 10:51:28 AM »
According to the german Wikipedia, the first ETCS tests were in November 2000 in Italy on the track Florenz Campo di Marte–Arezzo, which was ETCS L2 already.
In autumn 2001 the first commercial use of ETCS L1 started in Hungary on the track Zalaegerszeg–Zalalövö–Hodoš
In the end of the year 2002 (no exact date given) the first commercial use of ETCS L2 started in Switzerland.

These dates and jamespatt's statement given, an introduction between November 2000 and December 2002