Is 121.0 officially released?

[Leartin]

Might be a silly question...
I know that there is a version 121 on Sourceforge. However, to my knowledge it was never announced - in neither forum, and in no other Simutrans-related media I follow.
So when I first saw it I thought there might be problems and forgot about it again, but it's about two months now - Is it a complete, full release? If so, could someone write a post about it?

[Andarix]

.... However, to my knowledge it was never announced - in neither forum, and in no other Simutrans-related media I follow.
...

https://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/article230-Simutrans-121-0

Oh, the Simutrans Wiki doesn't seem to be relevant to them.

[Flemmbrav]

I didn't end up noticing that this thing is out until today.
No, the Wiki is not a good way to announce new things, as I highly doubt there are a lot of people checking the Wiki for new versions of a game.
And in plus,. if the Wiki would be the way, it should be on the main page at least imo.

BUT I'm glad the new version is out, meaning that we could technicly publish our pakset for the new stable too (in case we figure how exactly we're to annoy people with incompatibilities yet again).

[Andarix]

....
No, the Wiki is not a good way to announce new things, as I highly doubt there are a lot of people checking the Wiki for new versions of a game.
...

Ok, then simutrans.com is probably not relevant either?

In many projects there are wikis that also announce the new versions. Why should it be different at Simutrans.

Or do you simply have problems with the fact that there is a wiki at Simutrans that you rate it so negatively here?

There are also RSS feeds on Wikis that tell you news, even if you are not actively visiting the wiki.
If you can't find the link at the bottom of the page here it is.
https://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-articles_rss.php?ver=2

[prissi]

The most officially announcement is on sourceforge: https://sourceforge.net/p/simutrans/news/ So yes, it was officiall release on Dec 3rd. Usually this takes the entire evening to do this for all flavours of simutrans properly, so I simply rely on other contributors to update the announcement. Usually it did work well, but not this time.

Anyway, 121.1 will be coming soon anyway.

[Ters]

In many projects there are wikis that also announce the new versions. Why should it be different at Simutrans.

All such projects I know have the wiki as their homepage. My impression of the wiki was that it was a fan page of sorts. (Though arguably, everything about Simutrans is fan-based.) The domain name it is on also suggests that it is a German thing, not for the international audience.

I haven't been to the wiki in probably over 15 years. It seemed dead and outdated then.

There are also RSS feeds on Wikis that tell you news, even if you are not actively visiting the wiki.

The last browser I had that supports RSS feeds was Internet Explorer. Well, technically, I still have it, but support is failing fast. I won't use it (or anything else) just to read RSS feeds.

[Leartin]

Oh, the Simutrans Wiki doesn't seem to be relevant to them.

See... it's on Sourceforge (where I saw it originally) and on Simutrans.com, that is relevant, but since I don't follow these pages closely, I'd still expect a forum announcement. This could be resolved as simply as with prissis statement that it's not intentional, now all confusion is cleared up.
That wiki has nothing whatsoever to do with it, and there is no reason to even bring it up.

[Roboron]

The last browser I had that supports RSS feeds was Internet Explorer. Well, technically, I still have it, but support is failing fast. I won't use it (or anything else) just to read RSS feeds.

You don't need a browser to read RSS feeds. You just need a reader. For example, Feedly, an elegant web reader (also available on mobile). But there are many more!

[Ters]

You don't need a browser to read RSS feeds. You just need a reader. For example, Feedly, an elegant web reader (also available on mobile). But there are many more!

I don't want to install more stuff. And certainly not select among a huge selection. Also, the browser is used for pretty much everything Internet related these days. I'm in my browser wondering about what to check out, so switching to another program is too much hassle.

[Roboron]

I don't want to install more stuff. And certainly not select among a huge selection. Also, the browser is used for pretty much everything Internet related these days. I'm in my browser wondering about what to check out, so switching to another program is too much hassle.

I said web reader because you don't need to install anything, you just open it in a web browser tab like you do with email nowadays...

[Mariculous]

like you do with email nowadays

Well I prefer thunderbird, while I prefered webmail clients many years ago

However, I can see the point in not using feeds. Installing or not doesn't matter imho. I also would not use any feed stuff just the get a simutrans anouncement one or two times a year...

[Roboron]

However, I can see the point in not using feeds. Installing or not doesn't matter imho. I also would not use any feed stuff just the get a simutrans anouncement one or two times a year...

I think they are a very powerful tool - you don't need an account to subscribe feeds, pretty much everything have a feed, and are platform-agnostic -, I definitely use them to follow important announcements. But if not, what would you use?

[DrSuperGood]

I think the problem people are getting at is...
https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/board,3.0.html
No post was made for 121.0. Seeing how this is the official Simutrans forum that is kind of bad and can confuse people.

If maintaining such posts is too much work, at least make a post instructing people to check the wiki or SourceForge for the latest version. Otherwise some people may forever think Simutrans 120.4.1 is the latest version by mistake.

[Leartin]

Not to start a new thread: The new announcement gets the version number wrong both in title and post, and the link in the forum overview needs to change.

[prissi]

This is the same text, so both will always show the same. The link in the forum I cannot update.

[Leartin]

Well, you wrote once "120.1" and once "120.0". Both are incorrect, since it's 121. Sorry for not being more clear about this.
Edit: I think it's r8870, too. Again, sorry to be a bother :(

[Phystam]

Which version number is correct, 121.0 or 121.1?

[Roboron]

There are also some links which incorrectly point to the previous version 120.4. For example in https://www.simutrans.com/en/download/ Linux x64. and MacOS versions still are 120.4 (it also says "Sorry, the latest version is not available for Linux x64"), while Windows and Linux x86 versions are 121 

EDIT: Ok i realized there is no new Mac OS version. Still, it doesn't show the new version for Linux x64.

Additionally, Steam version is also in 120.4

[Leartin]

The latest release is 121.0 from december last year.

However, there is no macOS version, and appearently the linux version, while there is a download on sourceforge, is incomplete (?)
Furthermore, the versions are partly misnamed on Sourceforge. This causes the link to the GDI-version on Simutrans.com to fail, because that references version 121.0 while it's wrongly named 121.1.

Prissi, I hope you understand we do not point these things out to blame you, mistakes happen. Rather, it's so it can be fixed by anyone who has the rights or skills needed.


The steam version is done by someone else (HaydenRead IIRC), but it's not as bad if that updates a bit later.
but all that does not matter, since there is an announcement in the wiki. 

[Isaac Eiland-Hall]

Well, I for one cannot agree. I blame Prissi for everything. My cat scratched me by accident earlier when she was startled. All Prissi's fault.

(For the record, this is not sarcasm in any way, 100% just being silly to hopefully keep the mood light!)

[Leartin]

Well, Isaac, since you are here, I bet you can change the link "Latest stable release" in the forum overview?