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Offline TheRoadmaster1996

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Bad name for shop
« on: July 29, 2020, 06:20:08 PM »
Hello, I was going through the new update on Pak256, and just a heads up I would consider changing the name 'Furry Mart' to something less... obscene. I ended up changing it to 'Yuki Mart' and I think it fits in much better. But this is my consideration and it is your pakset.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2020, 08:29:25 AM »
I'd expect a Furry Mart to be a store for pet food, and don't see anything obscene with it.
To make the jump to an obscene meaning (I assume people who like to wear fursuits and do things in them) honestly seems to me like a child giggling when someone says "errect a building" or "penetrate the barrier"
I guess that means there can never be a lumberjack in any game, because all he does is getting wood, and that's outragous.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2020, 01:04:43 PM »
What exactly is wrong with a Furry Mart?
And what is a Yuki Mart?

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2020, 02:22:57 PM »
I'd expect a Furry Mart to be a store for pet food, and don't see anything obscene with it.

I would not have that same reaction.

When I was growing up, I read a lot of old British novels, and I learned two words from them that caused mildly amusing stories. For example, they might say something like: “‘Ha!’ he ejaculated” — which is correct. Such exclamations are also rightly called ejaculations. But nobody today could say that with a straight face. Similarly, a building might be referred to as an erection, which again is also true, but the modern connotation again ruins it.

At this time, as an American, I can strongly say that the primary connotation of a "Furry Mart" would be a place for fursuit enthusiasts to purchase relevant products. Definitely not a pet store.

Now, do I think the name needs to be changed? :shrug: It doesn't bother me, but I also find things like the old longstanding "Die Brücke ist nicht frei!" to be charming. So this would give me a giggle, not offend.

…but it *would* give me a giggle, because the connotation of "furry" is absolutely that of the fursuit enthusiast community.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2020, 02:40:32 PM »
Die Brücke ist nicht frei!
I don't get it. What do you associate with it that makes you giggle?

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2020, 02:52:45 PM »
Die Brücke ist nicht frei!
You have to pay for it?

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2020, 02:58:23 PM »
And what is a Yuki Mart?
Nothing, I just made it up.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2020, 03:03:31 PM »
You have to pay for it?
One possible interpretation besides many others. "frei" has many related meanings, like free as in freedom or free as in free beer or not occupied or not imprisoned (anymore), or even to have a holiday...There are many more I guess, but nothing that would make me giggle, especially as I would not associate these in this context.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2020, 03:03:53 PM »
When I was growing up, I read a lot of old British novels, and I learned two words from them that caused mildly amusing stories. For example, they might say something like: “‘Ha!’ he ejaculated” — which is correct. Such exclamations are also rightly called ejaculations. But nobody today could say that with a straight face.
It's like the word "Gay". Today that word has a different meaning then a hundred years ago when it meant being very happy.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2020, 03:05:59 PM »
Oh, so it came from the french word gai/gaie?
Interessting.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2020, 06:15:51 PM »
At this time, as an American, I can strongly say that the primary connotation of a "Furry Mart" would be a place for fursuit enthusiasts to purchase relevant products. Definitely not a pet store.

Even so - what's obscene about people wearing costumes?

I think a nice comparison is a gay bar. Is it obscene, should it be banned? 30 years ago, it certainly would have been obscene - that's the time when gay characters in Sailor Moon became Cousins(?) in the US version. Nowadays, most people would see the removal as surpression of a lifestyle. Removing a Furry Mart - [if it indeed refers to Furries, I'm not sold on that idea, since googling Furry Mart does bring up pet stores (and Furries named Mart)] - is the same kind of surpression. You not only have to be a straight white male to count, you can't have kinks, either...

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2020, 06:20:53 PM »
Can you explain me on why you'd think there shall not be a store that sells furry costumes in Simutrans?
We have drug stores, we have alcohol champers, so why can't there be some fun? besides there being tons of furries that just like to cuddle like that


lol didn't realize @Leartin was on the same thing here; is there anything we need in plus to supply a store like that? I'm not that much into it, so i'd guess that we have all it needs in the usual textile chain?

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2020, 06:43:58 PM »
Okay, I officially regret bringing this topic up.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2020, 04:11:40 AM »
In fact the name "furry" is borrowed from ファーリーの鋳物工場 (Farley's Foundry) in SimCity. Japanese sound translation of "Farley" is the same as "furry", since Japanese phonetic does not have "l" sound.
In the Japanese SimCity culture, the "Furry's Foundry" is one of the jokes from misunderstanding.

Probably should we change the name of the shop?

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2020, 04:19:16 AM »
Probably should we change the name of the shop?
No, there's no need to at all. The connotation for English speakers does exist, but is mostly harmless.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2020, 11:18:56 PM »
I don't get it. What do you associate with it that makes you giggle?

Sorry for the confusion. I said I found that charming. It's other things that make me giggle. Although I was also amused a little at the multiple English meanings of "free" i.e. "unoccupied" vs "no cst". But it was mostly charming because it was an accident but a reminder of the German origin of the game - i.e. it's fun because the game is international in many respects. I feel like I'm explaining this poorly.

what's obscene about people wearing costumes?

I'm not the one who called it obscene.

I will say that in the US, it is most likely going to be associated with furries.

I don't think it makes the game unplayable.

I will not try to convince you of the connotation, but it is most definitely true. I'm sorry your googling has not led you to conclude this.

I'm not arguing it should be removed or renamed, just confirming that "furry" is associated with furries, and I would expect the majority of US (because that's all I can speak for) to interpret it as being associated with furries - or a reference, at least. I would expect "Furry Mart" to sell fursuits.

Now. Are you fine with an adult entertainment or adult sex toy shop in the game? Or more specifically, some name for a shop that sounds like it? Like.... I dunno... Alcohol used to be strongly associated with "XXX", although nowadays, "XXX" is maybe more likely to be associated with sex shops. So having an "XXX Toy Store" is not going to make people here think of a store selling toys for children, but rather, a store selling toys for adults in the bedroom.

Again, if everyone is fine with that, :shrug:

I don't think discussion of changing the name would be suppressing anything. On the other hand, *do* we have any gay bars in any paksets? I don't think we do.

And yet again, I'm not weighing in on whether or not this should be changed. But definitely confirming the connotation of the name.

Okay, I officially regret bringing this topic up.

Please don't be, discussion is valuable.


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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2020, 12:08:05 PM »
I will not try to convince you of the connotation, but it is most definitely true. I'm sorry your googling has not led you to conclude this.
That's a misunderstanding - I'm fully aware what you are talking about. I'm saying I read "Furry Mart" and - since I assumed it probably wasn't related to people dressing in costumes, as it looked a bit too plain for that - imagined it must be a pet store. That was confirmed via google, first result is the facebook page of a pet store in india called "Furry Mart" (safe search off)

Are you fine with an adult entertainment or adult sex toy shop in the game? Or more specifically, some name for a shop that sounds like it?
I think that depends very much on how it is presented. I was often thinking of including a red mill or buildings with red lanterns, both of which would be clear as places for adult entertainment. If you are asking about the name specifically, I wouldn't mind bringing in texts like "In this store, Renate Uhsme sells her lovely toys and playtime accessories" - it's pretty clear what that means, especially if you know Beate Uhse, but it's harmless at the same time if you don't. Or "This store sells items in incospicious brown bags. Sometimes, the bags are even camouflaged in black". Might only make sense to someone who knows German Comedy, but if you get it, you know it's a sex store.
What I wouldn't do - and not because I'm not fine with it, but because I know others aren't - is being too direct and use clear language. So yeah - I'm fine with something in the game that can be identified as adult entertainment or a sex toy shop by people who already have prior knowledge of those things, but I wouldn't make it plain enough for innocent kids.

However - this question just serves as clear indication that you don't understand what a furry is. Furries, as a subculture, are folks who like anthropomophized animals. That might be as simple as liking the ThunderCats cartoon, or playing some kind of beastfolk in D&D. But besides that, even if you stricten the term to the more popular idea of people wearing fursuits, it's just roleplay and self-expression.
When Furries and sexuality intersect, it's usually called "Yiff". It exists, but is harmless (it's NOT zoophilia). But - and that's important - Furries and Yiff are not interchangeable. Only about a third of Furries is even interested in Yiff, and for those that are it's nothing more than mixing two interests.
Fursuits are NOT sex toys, even though they might be used as such. But being used for diverse practices isn't really a disqualifier, since that could include ropes, candles, regular costumes, whips, model railways or vegetables. Your idea of them being similar or equal just shows prejudice, and removal following that unbased prejudice only further propagates the idea the "Furry" is something dirty.

So basically: Anyone who reads "Furry" and thinks of something sexual is just misinformed. I think it's comparible with reading "muslim" and thinking "terrorist" or reading "gay" and thinking "Aids" or reading German and thinking "Nazi". I don't think we want terrorism, Aids or Nazis in the game, but that should not ban muslims, gays and German.
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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2020, 03:09:34 PM »
it's pretty clear what that means, especially if you know Beate Uhse
Here in Carson City, Nevada (and Northern Nevada in general as they might have a story up in Reno), we have a story called "Adam and Eve" that sells playthings and ladies underwear. It used to be right on the the main highway through town next to a cafe (which by the way has pretty good food) but they have moved since. And for the furry thing, that's all I've known Furries to do. I'm not into that kind of stuff so I don't really know what they do. I'm not German or a Muslim (my grandmother is a devoted Catholic though I'm not that religious).

For the Nazi gameplay thing, in Pak128.German you can play in that era, so would you use locomotives and carriages and wagons built by the Nazi's?
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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2020, 06:06:37 PM »
And for the furry thing, that's all I've known Furries to do. I'm not into that kind of stuff so I don't really know what they do.
Just think about whether it's fine to form an opinion (such as 'the mere mention of X is obscene') without enough knowledge, or whether that falls straight into tinfoilhat territorry ('I'm agains 5G towers, since all I know them to do is cause Corona!')

For the Nazi gameplay thing, in Pak128.German you can play in that era, so would you use locomotives and carriages and wagons built by the Nazi's?
You'd use stuff buildt in Germany between 1933 and 1945. Naturally, that stuff would have been used by the Nazis, and everything that still existed would be used afterwards as well.
Think about it like this: Will you refrain to use early trains buildt and/or operated in the southern states in your America pakset, such as not to use rolling stock used by "The Slavers"?
Or, from another direction: When you see a Volkswagen Beetle, do you think "Oh, those evil Nazis!"?

Excluding Nazism from the gameplay means no swastika flags on the townhalls in 1940, no special gas transportation to concentration camps and all that. And trying to avoid Slavery does not mean to forbid the confederate flag at the time where it's appropriate, but perhaps one should'nt include a ku-klux-klan temple with bonfire in the backyard.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2020, 06:17:46 PM »
Will you refrain to use early trains buildt and/or operated in the southern states in your America pakset, such as not to use rolling stock used by "The Slavers"?
Of course not! I actually want to add Plantations to the pakset. For a curiosity, I might add the Confederate White House.

('I'm agains 5G towers, since all I know them to do is cause Corona!')

Let me ask you this: At a restaurant will you still order a Corona beer?

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2020, 06:28:47 PM »
I'm agains 5G towers, since all I know them to do is cause Corona!
o.O
Seems legit...

Let me ask you this: At a restaurant will you still order a Corona beer?
I did never, but if I did, why not?
Just as I'd still order a currysaussage if there was a new C-20 Virus known as currysaussage.
It's an unfortunate naming conflict, nothing more. Something that had not happened if people in the real-world would use namespaces. Virus::Corona is clearly different from Beer::Corona.
The latter is just joking, though.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2020, 06:38:20 PM »
It's like all of the idiots who think that ordering Chinese food is going to give them Corona Virus because Corona came from China. I've had Chinese food since Corona began and I'm still here! And I have a compromised immune system!

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2020, 07:18:03 PM »
Corona beer became awefully expensive over here because everyone wanted to drink one, even after it hit germany "hard".

My superior even has a can of corona on their desk at work.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2020, 11:31:04 PM »
However - this question just serves as clear indication that you don't understand what a furry is.

Excuse me, but I know **** well what furries are.

But I find discourse with you extremely tiring, so I'm out of this conversation.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 12:12:54 AM »
Corona beer became awefully expensive over here because everyone wanted to drink one, even after it hit germany "hard".
What would compel them to do that? That sounds like something we Americans would do.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 05:16:13 AM »
The discussion is now off-topic. This discussion ends when I change the name of the store. Thank you very much for the discussion.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 05:42:17 AM »
Let me ask you this: At a restaurant will you still order a Corona beer?
I would, if I wanted to drink beer and there are no tastier options. To me, not drinking Corona beer because of fear of Covid is similar to avoiding the term "Furry" because one thinks it's obscene - there is no basis for it.

What would compel them to do that? That sounds like something we Americans would do.
In Germany, people buy Corona beer knowing it has nothing to do with Covid, yet evoking the connection. It's a completely harmless act any way you look at it, but it trolls people who think there is any actual connection. You also can imagine a German calling another "I have to tell you something... I... I got Corona!" - "Oh no!" - "Yeah, they had no [enter preferred beer brand here], come over, let's rewatch the match against brazil '14"
Stereotypical Americans would rather buy it believing there is a connection, and drinking it anyway to show how strong and fearless they are - like not wearing masks but rifles instead.


Excuse me, but I know **** well what furries are.
No need to get mad. Did I get mad when you presumed I wouldn't know the connotation of the word? There are many who don't, so the explaination was necessary, and someone who would compare a fursuit store to a sex store probably doesn't.
It's hard to see your question about sex stores as completely unrelated to fursuit stores, given it's the same topic and there is not much seperation (the word "now"). After knowing you intended to seperate - perhaps you used double empty lines, which disappear on the forum?

Anyway, it's pretty much cleared up. Roadmaster already explained he didn't really know what Furries are and assumed it to be obscene. I already stated that it wasn't my intention to claim there is no connection to furries, just nothing obscene about it - and it doesn't need to be a fursuit store.

Btw - you explain XXX was once alcohol, now erotic, but an XXX-toy-store wouldn't be seen as a toy store for kids. But even if people would connect XXX to alcohol just as much as pornography, the choice would be between an alcohol-toy-store and a sex-toy-store, and I never heard of an alcohol-toy-store. I'm not sure whether I'd think an XYZ-toy-store would sell toys for kids - even though I wouldn't know what XYZ means, I'd assume that it has some meaning, and if it was just a regular toy store for kids, it would not have XYZ in the description. Though that's the thing - it's a description, not a name. A store named XXX-something wouldn't make me think of anything porn related, mostly because of this:

That's the logo of a store chain in Austria. Sure, they are going for XXXL, as in super large, but it's not XXXL-utz, it's XXX-Lutz. And it's family friendly. It's not because German lacks the connotation of XXX and sex either.


The discussion is now off-topic. This discussion ends when I change the name of the store. Thank you very much for the discussion.
The name started it, but renaming won't end it. Since it turns out the name was random, it doesn't matter if it stays or goes.
However, the discussion should go on, on the premise of intentional inclusion. That is, if someone created a fursuit store, whether it should or shouldn't be in the game, and whether or not removing it amounts to censorship (specifically if it's removed because of what it is, not because it wouldn't fit graphically or due to license problems). I guess in case of Japan, a somewhat likely future inclusion could be a love hotel. I don't think that would be seen as problematic in the japanese community, while Americans might think it nasty - thought that's speculation.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 11:35:39 AM »
This has been a wild conversation.

Simutrans should, IMO, primarily reflect two things:

1. A real world. For example police officers currently are not popular. Cities have police, therefore their inclusion is likely to be considered acceptable, even with point 2.
2. A family friendly experience. The game should be playable from the minimum age of the forum, and the forum rules and content should reflect the minimum age of the game. IIRC, that's 13 I.e. it should be a family friendly game. Ultimately it's a train/bus/transport sim. It's not GTA.

Nazism being mentioned confused me. Although it would clearly satisfy point 1, it would absolutely not satisfy point 2.

When it comes to furry mart, I can absolutely see the link in English language to the sexual aspect. I am, to be honest, an immature 27 year old. That said, I do not think it puts the game away from being family friendly.  Ultimately would the average person associate furry mart with a sex shop? That's a cultural issue and perhaps changes across localities, ages and how invested in to internet culture one is.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 11:45:43 AM »
The discussion is now off-topic. This discussion ends when I change the name of the store. Thank you very much for the discussion.
Honestly, this feels more on topic than ever; there seem to be issues with different kind of store names still.
I for myself would not care if there'd be a store called XXXLutz in my game - besides maybe some branding rights.
And unless someone told me about there being "XXX" in the name, i wouldn't even notice.

I also never would have had the thought crossing my mind that a gay bar is something people could mind.
I never planned on showing sex scenes, but i had some thought out plans for some night live attractions. (Keep in mind that we have a pretty decent alcohol lineup already lacking customers - as well as coka leaves)
Would a bar with a nice rainbow flag and Astolfo really hurt anyone? Would it be weird if it sells spirits, juices and balloons?
We also sell "Comics" to an old grumpy guy being known to read lewd stuff exclsivly. So far there have been no complaints on that.


And no, no one here believes that the beer brings your the viral infection. People just love to joke with it. That's fine and their right in bitter to sour times like these.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 12:06:46 PM »
Rainbow flags, bars of any types, run down motels, lit up motels with red lights, comic book stores which stock the whole... Range of genres are all suggestive but not explicit. A billboard with a graphic scene would be inappropriate.


A good rule is the adult humour on kids TV, it should be tasteful enough to be no more than a nod and a wink to the parents and innocent enough to remain family friendly.


The game can have 13+ humour overtly. If there is 18+ humourous preferences one would need to be "experienced" to understand, as long as it is covert it shouldn't be an issue.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 02:49:19 PM »
In Germany, people buy Corona beer knowing it has nothing to do with Covid, yet evoking the connection. It's a completely harmless act any way you look at it, but it trolls people who think there is any actual connection. You also can imagine a German calling another "I have to tell you something... I... I got Corona!" - "Oh no!" - "Yeah, they had no [enter preferred beer brand here], come over, let's rewatch the match against brazil '14"
Stereotypical Americans would rather buy it believing there is a connection, and drinking it anyway to show how strong and fearless they are - like not wearing masks but rifles instead.
So what your saying is that it;s like people going to Area 51 because of the alien connection even though there are no aliens at Area 51? In my opinion what we're doing there is test foreign aircraft like Russian or Chinese. We've been doing it since the '60s. During the 1990s, residence of Central Nevada reported seeing MiG-29s over the skies of Area 51.

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« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 02:53:59 PM »
A good rule is the adult humour on kids TV, it should be tasteful enough to be no more than a nod and a wink to the parents and innocent enough to remain family friendly.
Like in original Pokemon. I'm re-watching the original to see if I can catch some of the adult stuff and there are! But you have to listen closely or else you'll miss it. There is one episode where one of the characters is floating upside down because he's possessed by a ghost, and as the main kid is talking in the background if you listen closely you can here the guy who
who's upside say "I got laid."

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« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 03:23:15 PM »
I agree. In Rugrats there are several inappropriate remarks such as Naughty Space Vixens being a video for Grandpa to watch "after the kids are in bed". Children relate to this because they know there are films not for them, which parents will watch after bedtime such as a violent action film. The innuendo is for the adults.

I also think, ultimately, with freedom of expression via paksets comes responsibility to post appropriate content. If one wishes to post inappropriate content, it is down to the community or the moderators to gatekeep that to some extent. This is covered in forum rules such as no obscene content.

Sometimes, in the example of using Nazi-specific industries such as transporting Zyklon-B to work camps, the line is clear. That content is not welcome and if someone wishes to create and post that they would have to do so elsewhere because the teams that guide the community have the tools and powers to deal with such a person. What can't happen, because the tools don't exist, is that content is banned from ever reaching the game unless serious work is put in to having content be only loadable by trusted creators and that would require Simutrans to become closed source otherwise it would not take long before someone has re-written this code to allow all content.

This is clearly and obviously not desirable nor do-able. Therefore, its advertisement is all that can be limited on official Simutrans servers.

With more 'close to the line' humour, perhaps PEGI can guide us. If someone would turn Simutrans from PEGI 13/3+ to 15/18+, it would not be appropriate to have in an officially maintained/advertised/available pakset from the pakset downloader nor would it be welcome here. Explicit, obscene, abusive or more than merely trifling controversy may be a good guideline. I mentioned the ACAB (all cops are baddies) movement. That's an example of where the line for me isn't met. If someone were to release a road wayobj that depicted a police shooting however, that may well be over the line for public consumption in game.

Another good example of content management is the fact no pak will officially ship with nuclear or wartime industry. It is possible to create one if you have the skill and ability to create a new industry and paint a tank sales store etc, but Simutrans won't let you ship it with an official pakset no matter how excellent the technical aspects of the content is.

I think the 'with addons' pak64 reflects vegetarianism by excluding the fast food/meat industries unless you use the add ons but I may be wrong on that. I know there is some level of control over what ships with the game but the caveat (like all things) that third party, unofficial software may be inappropriate.

Unless it is explicitly inappropriate, the community would give guidance. Here the response seems to be Furry Mart is innocent enough, albeit able to be construed in an inappropriate way however it is not overtly a sexual shop. If it were called FURRY MART with a .txt entry "FOR ALL YOUR FURRY... blah blah blah explicit stuff" then that would be wildly inappropriate and I think moderators would be right to ban such content that would raise the PEGI rating.

@Leartin for what its worth, Furries (rightly or wrongly, I have no strong opinion as I believe there are far bigger things in the world to be concerned about in my own experiences) are closely associated to sexual content. I do not agree that by linking Furries to Sex, you are also linking or the type of person to link LGBT+ communities to AIDS, Islam to terrorism or Germany to Nazism. I think that weakens the arguments you've made.

It is a popular cultural phenomenon bred by memes shared across friendly local meme suppliers that Furries are sexually deviant or sexually motivated in their pursuit of the hobby. I do agree that it is harmless within the context that OP started this thread however I do understand the pop culture links and we have to be aware of the content Simutrans ships with, not least of all because of the Steam rules and indeed the rules of this forum.

I never imagined discussing sex, adult shops, furries or anything on here ever yet here we are!

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 03:55:18 PM »
IS PEGI a European thing? Because I've never heard of it. It sounds like our rating system where you have Y7 up to R for movies and MA for TV.

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Re: Bad name for shop
« Reply #34 on: Yesterday at 04:08:57 PM »
"Pan European Game Information", short PEGI clearly is not a European thing! :P
In Germany PEGI ratings are available, but it's only a recommendation without any lawful consequences. The USK rating is binding law. You are not allowed to sell games to someone younger than the USK rating.
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