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Started by Mishasama, December 03, 2022, 03:28:15 AM

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Mishasama

I'm playing the official server.

Why do negative returns occur? Can anyone tell me why?



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Andarix

I assume it is pak128.german.

pak128.german and pak64.german have not defined a speed bonus.

prissi

Some vehicles may not be balanced for a certain year so their operation costs are higher than the income per tile.

Mishasama

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Quote from: prissi on December 03, 2022, 09:58:27 AMSome vehicles may not be balanced for a certain year so their operation costs are higher than the income per tile.
But it will not produce negative income every time it stops. Occasionally, there will be several positive incomes during a lap.

Maybe the "pay_for_total_distance" is not set to zero?
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Rohal

Hi Mishasama,

on the server pay_for_total_distance = 2 ist set. that causes your vehicles to have a negative income.

makie

Quote from: prissi on December 03, 2022, 09:58:27 AMSome vehicles may not be balanced for a certain year so their operation costs are higher than the income per tile.
no, even outdated vehicles make profit, except some luxury hi-speed trains 

Quote from: Rohal on December 04, 2022, 11:53:39 AMon the server pay_for_total_distance = 2 ist set.
yes, i think this is the reason. Only 10% detour are in the calculations.
Maybe waiting to long for 100% loading, decrease the profit through the fixed monthly cost.

The formulas and explanations of the vehicle costs can be found here:
https://pak128-german.de/inc/formeln.html
All vehicle are calculated with this, with no exception.

Mishasama

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Quote from: Rohal on December 04, 2022, 11:53:39 AMHi Mishasama,

on the server pay_for_total_distance = 2 ist set. that causes your vehicles to have a negative income.
Does this mean that only the distance between the starting station and the terminal station (point to point) is calculated? And should I avoid designing the route as a circular route? Should all routes be designed as straight lines? Two points, one line?
But will this be a little contrary to reality? Because this will lead to no-load condition during the return trip.

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Maybe this is only suitable for the industry route with a clear destination? Because I can't predict where the passengers will go.

Quote from: makie on December 04, 2022, 04:03:33 PMThe formulas and explanations of the vehicle costs can be found here:
https://pak128-german.de/inc/formeln.html
All vehicle are calculated with this, with no exception.
It's too complicated to understand...
In addition, because I do not understand German, the Google-translated content of the page is not easy to understand.
Is there a relatively simple summary? To give a concise explanation to more beginner players.


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makie

Quote from: Mishasama on December 05, 2022, 05:17:45 PMAnd should I avoid designing the route as a circular route?
But will this be a little contrary to reality? Because this will lead to no load condition during the return trip.
This need straight lines and transfer stations. A network like a star or a snowflake.
Direct connections are welcome on mostly used relations.
Nobody like extensive sightseeing tours thru the city, on their daily way to work and hate to pay extra for it.
This is specially on the server, not in singleplay.
Quote from: Mishasama on December 05, 2022, 05:17:45 PMBut will this be a little contrary to reality? Because this will lead to no load condition during the return trip.
Straight lines will take back the passengers that have the wish to return. Mostly they will go back to home from work or sightseeing.

QuoteIt's too complicated to understand...
Simply give a realistic feeling structure of cost over the whole pak. Without need to adjust the single vehicle manually.
Depending on workload, speed, power and weight of the vehicle.
There is a need of 25%-50% workload for profit, depending luxury and fast transportation. 

Mishasama

Quote from: makie on December 05, 2022, 07:30:46 PMNobody like extensive sightseeing tours thru the city, on their daily way to work and hate to pay extra for it.
On Simutrans, don't any passengers need to move around the city? All passengers only go back and forth between industry and home in "two points one line"?
Quote from: makie on December 05, 2022, 07:30:46 PMSimply give a realistic feeling structure of cost over the whole pak. Without need to adjust the single vehicle manually.
That is to say, is it normal and reasonable design that some lines have been losing money?
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makie

negative earning?  :o
this can only happen if you move the passengers away form their destination.
And only if it is pay_for_total_distance = 2

But in strait lines, passengers do not enter the vehicle moving in the wrong direction.