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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2011, 05:58:05 PM »
Great - much nicer thanks!

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2011, 07:48:01 PM »
I just had an odd thought. Is there any way to code dual-gauged/interlaced track? Just thinking aloud... 

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2011, 09:01:09 AM »
Not.currently no.

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2011, 06:04:59 PM »
The difficulties with re-gauging seem to be realistic in principle, although it is of note that none of the UK narrow gauge lines were, as far as I am aware, ever upgraded to standard gauge; narrow gauge seems to have been used solely in those remote communities that were never going to generate enough traffic to justify standard gauge in the first place.
Indeed. It's different on the continent, where narrow gauge was used because it's cheaper to build through difficult terrrain. The Røros Line, Norway, is a classic example (being the Oslo-Trondheim main line, upgraded from narrow gauge to standard during WW2).

The only precedent I can find in the British Isles for increasing a gauge is the Dublin and Kingstown Railway, which was to make it standard with the rest of Ireland. All the others were gauge reductions (eg GWR broad gauge).

Edited: forgot to close italics.
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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2011, 09:30:51 PM »
In the german wikipedia is a ver exhausive list of regauged tracks. All Kinds, even 1435 to xxx exists in the world. How to read the able: First row, old gauge, new gauge, length, year of first orperation, year of regauging, year of reitrement.
 List is here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_umgespurter_Eisenbahnstrecken

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2011, 02:35:02 AM »
Excerpt:
"Paignton, Paignton Zoo   305   260   0,5   1937   1946"

the 0.5 km of 305 mm gauge track built in 1937 was re-gauged to 260 mm in 1946.

There must have been a lot of extremely narrow zoo or park railways in a multitude of gauges. They were standardized to 260 mm. Wikipedia is a never ending source of obscure facts of low significance, addictive.

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2011, 02:40:55 PM »
Snowy wooden trestle for narrow gauge... wrapping up some left-over to-do's over the holiday


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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2011, 03:46:05 PM »
Very nice! I like the wood texture.

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2012, 06:01:45 PM »
Thanks for fixing these - bridge, crossing and mail coach are all now in SVN.

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2012, 10:04:56 PM »
I have now produced a complete set of narrow gauge vehicles (largely based on Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland railway practice from the 1860s to the present day, including some South African Railway vehicles built in the 1960s and used on the restored Welsh Highland Railway since the late 1990s), and added multiple liveries to the vehicles produced by The Hood. All vehicles (.png and .dat files) are in my Pak128.Britain-Ex Github repository, and will be included in the next release of Pak128.Britain-Ex (the Experimental version of Pak128.Britain), but these should be usable in Standard, albeit with the removal of the livery definitions.

I shall not list the vehicles in full (a full list can be found here), although note that this includes The Hood's original vehicles, the Double Fairlie and the "Barn" carriages in present day red and cream livery), but instead I shall give some illustrative examples of the new vehicles in action.


This is the "George England" type of locomotive, built for the Ffestiniog Railway from 1863, hauling a rake of the original four wheel "small Birmimgham" or "bugbox" carriages used on that line from the 1860s onwards. At the rear is a goods brake, as no passenger brakes were built at this time. The train is in its late 19th century livery, the locomotive having acquired the more familiar saddle tank and lighter red livery (it is also available in original maroon with side tanks), and the carriages being in the "royal purple and cream" livery that replaced the all over "royal purple" livery in the later part of the 19th century. These locomotives were the first narrow gauge steam locomotives in the world, it previously having been thought impractical to build a locomotive on this scale.



This is a "Single Fairlie" locomotive, a more conventional and smaller version of the famous "Double Fairlie". These locomotives were liked by drivers and found to be economical, albeit not as powerful as their larger cousins. It is seen hauling a rake of 1870s bogie carriages, with the "curly roofed van" at the end. The bogie carriages, first built in 1872, were the first bogie carriages on any gauge of railway to enter revenue earning service in the British Isles, and, remarkably, are still in service on their original line, doing exactly what they were built to do (albeit hauling tourists now more than locals). I rode in one in May, and the first class compartment was very comfortable (which is more than can be said for the thirds, but that is another matter). The train is in the same late 19th century livery as that above.



The smallest now of all the railway locomotives in the pakset - the Hunslet 0-4-0 "Alice" class, used as a quarry locomotive for the most part. This small and inexpensive machine might lack pulling power compared to the Fairlie types, but it is the quintessential narrow gauge locomotive, and might well be useful on short trains. Here it is seen pulling a mixed rake of goods wagons.



Here we see the "Double Fairlie" as originally drawn by The Hood, adapted to show a superheated version as it might have been built (based on the Ffestiniog Railway's "Earl of Merioneth", which was actually built in 1979, but might have been built that way at any time after the widespread introduction of superheating in the 1910s) and a rake of the bogie carriages in the cheerful "Col. Stephens" livery of the 1920s and 1930s.



Here is the venerable "George England" locomotive, now in the green "Col. Stephens" livery, hauling a rake of goods wagons. These are the long goods wagons in the game, but the graphics are based on the ubiquitous slate wagons for which traffic the Ffestiniog Railway was first built in 1836 (at the time with horse traction only). Slate is not an industry type in the pakset, so for the present these wagons will have to carry steel and wood.



Here is the "Double Fairlie" (this time, the original version drawn by The Hood, in its late 19th century light red livery) hauling a rake of 1890s open carriages (open interiors, that is, not roofless) from the North Wales Narrow Gauge Railway that in the 1920s merged with the Ffestiniog to create the original and financially unsuccessful Welsh Highland Railway. One of these carriages is a buffet car - the world's first narrow gauge buffet car - which can be identified by the white sign board at the top of the centre of the carriage.



Here is a double headed train (Single Fairlie and George England engines) hauling a rake of various bogie carriages in the attractive green and cream livery of the Ffestiniog Railway in the 1950s, when it was first re-opened in preservation.



This is a Garrett K-1 class locomotive - the first Garrett type locomotive anywhere in the world. This locomotive was built in the UK for Tasmania in 1909, where it spent its working life before being rescued by the Ffestiniog railway; it spent many years as a static exhibit in the National Railway Museum before being restored to working order for use on the re-opened Welsh Highland Railway. This powerful locomotive is shown here hauling some later bogie goods wagons, and might well be useful at hauling heavier loads on narrow gauge railways.



Diesel comes to narrow gauge railways in 1958 with this set of vehicles with this version of the Hibberd Planet locomotive as operates on the Ffestiniog, seen here with a mixed train.



This powerful diesel is the "Funkey" B-B type from South Africa, introduced in 1968, two of which currently operate on the Ffestiniog/Welsh Highland railways (although one of which has been extensively rebuilt to fit into the Ffestiniog's restrictive loading gauge). It is seen with a rake of large South African Railway bogie wagons, a number of which have also been imported to Wales for use on the W. H. R.. These later type wagons offer improved capacity and speed compared to the earlier bogie wagons, and do not require a brake van.



This is the more recent (1985) and more economical diesel, the Bagguely-Drewery 0-6-0 locomotive, built from 1985 onwards, two of which are in use on the Ffestiniog at present. It is seen hauling a rake of "Barn" carriages, based on the original carriages drawn by The Hood (see earlier in this thread), but shortened slightly to match their correct lengths, and with buffers and red buffer beams removed (narrow gauge vehicles do not generally use buffers; certainly not on the Ffestiniog). These carriages are shown in the 1970s/1980s "cherry red" livery, and include the basic carriage, a brake carriage, a mail carriage and a buffet.



Last but not least, here is the South African Railways Garrett class NG-G16 of 1936 (which was nearly identical to the earlier NG-G13 of 1927, which earlier date is the introduction date that I have set for this vehicle), hauling some of the modern Welsh Highland Railway's "superbarn" carriages (the rear carriage being the "service carriage", containing catering, lavatory and brake facilities). Although this combination can regularly be seen on the modern Welsh Highland Railway, it is likely that players will find the Garrett more useful for hauling heavy goods trains in the 1920s-1960s, and have switched to diesel from the 1960s onwards, as, in Simutrans, there is no tourist traffic of the sort generated by steam operation on tourist lines; I thought that people might appreciate this screenshot, however.



All of these vehicles (in more livery schemes than shown here) will be available in the next released version of Pak128.Britain-Ex.
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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2012, 07:26:37 AM »
Spectacular!  :)

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2012, 11:50:15 AM »
Perfectly splendid!  Looks like we need some more properly sized platforms, though....

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2012, 03:56:32 PM »
finally, an excellent selection of narrow gauge vehicles to choose from :)
Depending on how the costs are balanced out, I think they would be the go to for loose bulk freight.

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2012, 04:06:50 PM »
Cool.
Some new modells for Simutrans.
That like i.  8) 8) 8)

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2012, 09:03:06 PM »
Perfectly splendid!  Looks like we need some more properly sized platforms, though....

Are you volunteering...? ;-)

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2012, 11:18:39 AM »
These are fantastic! They are now in standard SVN.

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2012, 10:36:51 PM »
Splendid!

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2012, 01:14:01 PM »
Perfectly splendid!  Looks like we need some more properly sized platforms, though....

Like these?


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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2012, 02:40:25 PM »
Joy!

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2012, 03:33:15 PM »
Those Station looks good.
The Stations are in SVN.
Cam those Stations in Pak128 britain exp too?

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2012, 07:00:54 PM »
I'm pretty sure they will - give Jamespetts time! It's only been a few hours...

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2012, 07:12:14 PM »
Ok!
Than will i look on Sunday whether the github be updatet it.
The Hood what for Operating System have your Computer?



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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2012, 04:48:17 PM »
The new stations look good  :D . I do have one question though; do the new NG platforms and buildings align correctly when built next to the Standard-Gauge ones. I.e. for mixed-gauge stations. Or have the buildings actually got smaller?

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2012, 05:28:21 PM »
They are lower but not smaller. The roof however is the same height as standard gauge.

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2012, 04:43:24 PM »
I've just gotten around to playing with the latest release and I think I see one potential problem with the narrow gauge as it is now.

The platform capacity and carriage capacity are poorly matched. Particularly for freight.

Starting off in 1920, the 2t bulk wagon only has 1/5 the capacity of the standard gauge 10t bulk wagon, yet the platforms offer the same capacity (and cost) of 32 pieces of freight. The narrow gauge freight trains end up at around 1/4 the capacity for the same station length. Narrow gauge passenger trains are around 2/3 to 3/4 the capacity of standard gauge for the same station length.

I think narrow gauge freight stations could be 1/4 of what they are now. 8, 16 and 32
Narrow gauge passenger stations could be 1/2. 16, 32 and 64.
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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2012, 04:52:03 PM »
I don't think there's a way to change this in standard?

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2012, 04:56:00 PM »
I recall there being something about station levels in standard. Is 32 the lowest it will go?

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2012, 05:25:37 PM »
I shall bear this in mind for Experimental, where station capacities can be varied individually. I cannot remember off the top of my head whether the minimum amount in Standard is 32 or 16, however. I do know that the vehicle capacities are based on their real life counterparts.

What do you suggest for revised station capacities for Experimental at least?

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2012, 06:48:11 PM »
level=1 means capacity=32 IIRC

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Re: Narrow Gauge
« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2012, 08:15:52 PM »
@james

For experimental, I would probably start off with 1/2 capacity, cost and maintenance for freight, but I don't think the passenger platforms need tweaking. Especially so, because I thought you had reduced platform capacity already so that station extensions would get more use?