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Offline MCollett

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Horse-drawn bicycles?
« on: May 01, 2012, 09:37:48 AM »
On starting a (Pak128.Britain-Experimental) game in 1919, I was slightly disconcerted to discover that even though horse-drawn buses were already obsolete, I needed to build a 'coaching stable' -- the only depot allowed to purchase mail bicycles!  Is this really intended?

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 08:05:27 PM »
[OT] Surely a horse-drawn bi-cycle is in fact just a chariot? :)

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 07:09:20 AM »
sounds like its needs reworked - james will look at your report

i may ask which version you using? - the latest one shows 3 depots - the horse depot is obsolete which should be disappeared from menu

the diesel one is available - there should be depot for it

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2012, 12:05:24 PM »
I'm assuming this is because the horse-depot is simply a depot that builds "biological" engines - which of course bikes are too...

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 12:07:32 PM »
i may ask which version you using? - the latest one shows 3 depots - the horse depot is obsolete which should be disappeared from menu

the diesel one is available - there should be depot for it

I'm using the current releases: version 0.8.3 of the pak running under Experimental 10.11.  Both steam and diesel garages are of course available, but neither can purchase bicycles.  My own inclination is to think that bicycles (and also drovers) should count as 'unpowered' for this purpose, and be available from all road depots.

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Matthew

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 02:13:42 PM »
Would it also have been prototypical in the Victorian era, to have goods bicycles? 

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 07:07:28 PM »
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Would it also have been prototypical in the Victorian era, to have goods bicycles?
Am pretty sure butchers and other tradespersons delivered around town on bicycles, I think I read it was a late-victorian thing, cycling gaining popularity.

Of course, it will have been more for lighter goods over short distances (post, newspapers, foodstuffs). A coalman on a bike might have a tough time of it, but the game simulates weight and speed anyway, can't imagine bikes working too well with heavy cargo.

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2012, 10:20:24 AM »
MCollett,

thank you for the report, and welcome to the forums! Well spotted on the bicycle thing - as The Hood points out, bicycles are treated as having a traction type of "biological", which means that they can only be built in depots that support that. I have now modified the setup for the next version so that diesel depots after 1919 and trolleybus depots can both build bicycles as well as 'buses and trolleybuses.

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2012, 11:53:23 AM »
MCollett,

thank you for the report, and welcome to the forums! Well spotted on the bicycle thing - as The Hood points out, bicycles are treated as having a traction type of "biological", which means that they can only be built in depots that support that. I have now modified the setup for the next version so that diesel depots after 1919 and trolleybus depots can both build bicycles as well as 'buses and trolleybuses.

what about bicycles depots - a smaller depots which for bicycles which appears in late 20 century which only provides bicycles - like today's post offices which have bicycles depot for some places

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2012, 06:07:40 PM »
Hmm - that would require bicycles to have their own traction type; do people think that it is worth it for that?

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2012, 06:12:27 PM »
Hmm - that would require bicycles to have their own traction type; do people think that it is worth it for that?

sounds good

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2012, 06:32:44 PM »
Hmm - that would require bicycles to have their own traction type; do people think that it is worth it for that?
Don't see a benefit unless you're planing on doing restrictive waytypes (bus lanes, cycle lanes).

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2012, 07:02:23 PM »
Don't see a benefit unless you're planing on doing restrictive waytypes (bus lanes, cycle lanes).
well in real life - depots are commonly based at normal roads so bicycles shouldn't be problem
the waytypes are good idea BUT i was refering the depots could be used on normal roads well in simtrans

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2012, 09:10:42 PM »
I have now modified the setup for the next version so that diesel depots after 1919 and trolleybus depots can both build bicycles as well as 'buses and trolleybuses.

That sounds like a reasonable solution.

Thanks,
Matthew

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Re: Horse-drawn bicycles?
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2012, 03:59:25 PM »
Don't see a benefit unless you're planing on doing restrictive waytypes (bus lanes, cycle lanes).

Oooh, neat future project idea...