I've finally finished the renewal of my old plane pak. I've made some planes (Airbus ones) in player color version; as I wasn't totally convinced with the result, I decided to keep Boeing liveries as they were. Anyway, they may seem to be out of scale. It's true; they've been painted using an own different scale, non-linear, which makes small planes a little bigger. I'll explain in detail if you want and ask me for.
So you may use this new pak or keep using the old one, that's your decision. The only difference is this pak includes a new Airbus A330 with Swiss Air livery for passenger service. All other models are the same. What is true is that these new ones are much more detailed: they have all night view and red/green/rear lights (and haven't few unwanted and rebel pixels and shadows).
I've now added new versions for all previous models which already were in the official pak with this exceptions:
Hibari planes: Because I don't know them, I don't see any interest on them, and never missed them. If someone has special interest on a renewal of these models, ask it and I may consider it.
Rvg G5-Posttaxi: I see no interest in this plane, as long as there are some post-service planes new to the pak which can replace it. Same as before, ask for it if you think it's worthy.
So, if you want to make a try, here it is. Hope you all like it :)
Tuned prices and costs specially for older planes in order to make the set playable also in early years using cronology
>>> DOWNLOAD <<< COMPLETE Plane Pakset v1.1 (updated RC/Cost)
This file contains all plane models I made for Pak128, so if you download this, you don't need any other file from my plane set.
Please, report any bugs and issues from both graphics and data by posting in this thread. Thanks!
If you need a single plane pakfile, you can find by digging into this thread, or you can download the full pakset and use makeobj with the extract command to get all single files from it.
PS: Note those who currently use my old paks, you can remove both files (A and B paks). This new one replaces both of them.Note this pakset contains ALL my previous plane creations, so delete (or take out from the pak folder) the old ones if you don't want to get repeated vehicles.
Download is no longer available. Download the OpenPak128 instead, which includes all this airplanes, in the nightly downloads page (http://nightly.simutrans-germany.com).
I like this one better, I like the scale now I can see the 737 ::). And the A330 is nice and now the 777 is in the right size.
And the price is better now as well.
And now the Airbus planes are almost all done just the A350 left, and maybe 4 Boeing planes the 747, 757, 767, 787 left. But small RJ planes would also be fun to have and maybe some MD's
I'm glad you like it. I'll focus now in extending the timeline, so next planes will be before 1955. When all timeline is continuus (models on all ages), then I'll try to complete with alternative models; so I think boeings will have to wait a while ;)
Btw, A350 is still a prototype, isn't it?
Quote from: Zeno on February 08, 2009, 01:40:04 PM
I'm glad you like it. I'll focus now in extending the timeline, so next planes will be before 1955. When all timeline is continuus (models on all ages), then I'll try to complete with alternative models; so I think boeings will have to wait a while ;)
Btw, A350 is still a prototype, isn't it?
Pre 1955 is good to get older planes to, Sud Aviation Caravelle and de Havilland Comet seems nice maybe some DC piston power or the Lockheed Super Constellation (maybe the Lockheed would be better as it has some history largest order in that time ::)).
A350 is in late development I don't if they made a prototype yet, but one should be done soon when the first flight is in 2011. But when its done it will beat the 787 8) I don't really care for the Boeing's I like Airbus, but they have a few good ones like the 757 and 777 ::)
For later expansion of the timeline
http://www.departure2093.com/en/future_fleet_images/?id=20
Quote from: ariarinen on February 09, 2009, 11:41:20 AM
For later expansion of the timeline
http://www.departure2093.com/en/future_fleet_images/?id=20
Nice futuristic models there!! I like :)
Quote from: Zeno on February 09, 2009, 12:32:52 PM
Nice futuristic models there!! I like :)
Yes they are the A600–850 M seems nice
They're really interesting for a possible planes from the future pak... ::)
P.S: My favourite one is Finnair A1700-2400 Cruiser
Quote from: vilvoh on February 09, 2009, 01:41:25 PM
They're really interesting for a possible planes from the future pak... ::)
P.S: My favourite one is Finnair A1700-2400 Cruiser
I like that one also but its slow, the A600 are both big and super fast ::)
Perhaps I may make some (or all) of them for a future passengers pak. They doesn't seem difficult to model in Blender. Just give me some time... ;)
You don't want to make the beluga to complete tour collection of European planes? ^^
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Airbus_Beluga.jpg
However your pack is really great, but since the scale is not linear (i haven't say not the same as Simu vanilla) i guess we'll never see it in Simu128.
I say that cause I've take a close look at some element from simu 128 and Boeing 747 don't seems to be at scale compared to some buildings/Trucks so ...
And because there are some planes in base pack that just don't look great, (all airbuses) and would be good to have yours in :)
A plane i LOVE to take is the Bombardier CRJ 900, small, but very comfortable
http://www.crj.bombardier.com/CRJ/en/specifications.jsp?langId=en&crjId=900
(http://www.crj.bombardier.com/CRJ/img/ph_crj900_3-view_lrg.jpg)
Quote from: fabio on February 13, 2009, 06:34:22 AM
A plane i LOVE to take is the Bombardier CRJ 900, small, but very comfortable
http://www.crj.bombardier.com/CRJ/en/specifications.jsp?langId=en&crjId=900
(http://www.crj.bombardier.com/CRJ/img/ph_crj900_3-view_lrg.jpg)
The CRJ would be fun to have, but I find Embraer E-jets to be more comfortable as it has roomier cabin. The CRJ did get a plus do for it had a bit less noise in the front, where I was seated. But I would like both they both look great
E-190 in the jungle just out from the factory
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Finnair/Embraer%20ERJ-190-100LR%20190LR/1152766/M
E-190 in the cold
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Finnair/Embraer-ERJ-190-100LR-190LR/1464678/M/
Fist of all, thanks for your ideas/opinions/feedback. I really appreciate it!
Well, I continue with the plane renewal as planned. Now it's turn for the Lockheed L-1049G Super Constellation.
Was produced by Lockheed from 1943 to 1958, for a total of 856 units built (info at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Constellation)).
I've reproduced the Trans World Airlines (TWA), with night windows and position lights. Hope you like & enjoy it. :)
Well, as I keep thinking, every day is at least one reason to go "wow" other than Vista ;)
Quote from: Zeno on February 19, 2009, 09:47:06 PM
Fist of all, thanks for your ideas/opinions/feedback. I really appreciate it!
Well, I continue with the plane renewal as planned. Now it's turn for the Lockheed L-1049G Super Constellation.
Was produced by Lockheed from 1943 to 1958, for a total of 856 units built (info at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Constellation)).
I've reproduced the Trans World Airlines (TWA), with night windows and position lights. Hope you like & enjoy it. :)
Its nice, and I think its has the fastest turn around time of the planes I have in my fleet.
And I like that its has the skin of the launch/intro customer.
This is the de Havilland Comet. This aircraft's main characteristic is the engine-system. As the wiki says, it has four turbojet engines buried in the wings close to the fuselage.
I reproduced it with BOAC livery, which was the first company to fly it. Flew civil airlines from 1952 to 1981. Hope you like it.
Looking very good! I might have asked before and forgotten the answer (and if so, apologies), but do you plan to make these open source?
Quote from: jamespetts on February 22, 2009, 10:13:05 AM
... do you plan to make these open source?
Yes, I will make all sources available when the pak is complete. I even may release some "white" graphics (without livery), so other liveries can be painted on.
Excellent - I shall look forward!
Quote from: Zeno on February 22, 2009, 10:40:38 AM
Yes, I will make all sources available when the pak is complete. I even may release some "white" graphics (without livery), so other liveries can be painted on.
That sounds like a good idea - I would eventually like to include planes in pakBritain but I don't know a lot about planes and it would be a lot of work to draw them all again. If possible I would consider using your pak (re-balanced, and would need re-painting slightly to fit PakBritain colour style, and probably all British airline branding!). Are they from blender?
Quote from: The Hood on February 22, 2009, 12:25:28 PM
That sounds like a good idea - I would eventually like to include planes in pakBritain but I don't know a lot about planes and it would be a lot of work to draw them all again. If possible I would consider using your pak (re-balanced, and would need re-painting slightly to fit PakBritain colour style, and probably all British airline branding!). Are they from blender?
That was on my mind, too... ;-) Since aircraft are international, there is no need to have British specific examples for PakBritain as there is with trains...
Quote from: The Hood on February 22, 2009, 12:25:28 PM
That sounds like a good idea - I would eventually like to include planes in pakBritain but I don't know a lot about planes and it would be a lot of work to draw them all again.
Well, that's the idea of open source license... isn't it? ;)
Quote from: The Hood on February 22, 2009, 12:25:28 PM
Are they from blender?
Yes, all of them are made using blender. In most I used blender UV-Mapping to apply textures and liveries; but Constellation, f.i., is rendered in all-white texture, and hand-painted over it. What you need to know is that all of them are rendered in 176 pixel sized tile.
This one needs no presentation. First of all a bit of history:
On january 21st 1976 made its first flights, London-Bahrain and Paris-Río. On july 25th 2000 there was the first and only Concorde accident: Air France flight no.4590 crashed while taking off at Gonesse, north of Paris. 113 (most german) perished (my condolences). The accident and huge running costs leaded to the Concorde's end. On may 2003 it flight for the last time...
But not in Simutrans! Wanna fly a Concorde? Just copy the pak ;D
It's looking good!
But i think the nose might be too long.
Quote from: Zeno on February 22, 2009, 04:29:49 PM
This one needs no presentation. First of all a bit of history:
On january 21st 1976 made its first flights, London-Bahrain and Paris-Río. On july 25th 2000 there was the first and only Concorde accident: Air France flight no.4590 crashed while taking off at Gonesse, north of Paris. 113 (most german) perished (my condolences). The accident and huge running costs leaded to the Concorde's end. On may 2003 it flight for the last time...
But not in Simutrans! Wanna fly a Concorde? Just copy the pak ;D
Parts was also a big part why it was retired, but at least it lasted longer then the copy Tupolev Tu-144. But its a nice plane and a replacement should not be so many years of, and this time it might even work when the plane will take 300 and fly at mach 5.
And yes I want to fly concord but not with Air France :P.
Quote from: Zeno on February 22, 2009, 01:06:12 PM
Well, that's the idea of open source license... isn't it? ;)Yes, all of them are made using blender. In most I used blender UV-Mapping to apply textures and liveries; but Constellation, f.i., is rendered in all-white texture, and hand-painted over it. What you need to know is that all of them are rendered in 176 pixel sized tile.
I would be interested in using these for pakBritain (you would get credits!) but they may well need re-scaling as well as re-painting - would you be prepared to let me have the blends if I did that? (not right now, I haven't got enough time for the more urgent pakBritain stuff as it is!)
Quote from: The Hood on February 23, 2009, 02:06:17 PM
I would be interested in using these for pakBritain (you would get credits!) but they may well need re-scaling as well as re-painting - would you be prepared to let me have the blends if I did that?
Ask me when you need them. All sources (including blends) are in safe place plus backup ;)
The Comet and super Constellation, might have to high operating cost. I can't make a profit with them at all, after flying back and fort one time I'm around -1400-1600. Edit also A320 and 737 and 727 are negative, but the widebodys works
I have no problems with the other ones
Quote from: ariarinen on February 23, 2009, 11:46:26 AM
And yes I want to fly concord but not with Air France :P
I hate air france too, (French people don't like Air France :D) but i must say planes painted in air France colors are really nice and make the concorde painted anything else would be a waste :/
Quote from: Midnight on March 04, 2009, 02:12:31 PM
I hate air france too, (French people don't like Air France :D) but i must say planes painted in air France colors are really nice and make the concorde painted anything else would be a waste :/
I think that I hate SAS (old MD-80) and just don't like air france as runner up ::)
Yes it looks kinda a nice, but concorde in Oneworld colors would also have done the job. I like the air france colors most on the A340, but I think the A340 should go to Lufthansa as they are the largest operator of the type.
What's wrong with AirFrance?
Quote from: ariarinen on March 04, 2009, 03:40:03 PM
(...) but I think the A340 should go to Lufthansa as they are the largest operator of the type.
You're probably right, but both were the first companies who flight the A340-300 (21st october 1991), and I decided to paint it with AF colors.
Btw, I think I haven't any one with Lufthansa livery. Wich one would you like me to paint? I've thought of the 747-200, which was flown firstly by Lufthansa in 1972.
Quote from: jamespetts on March 04, 2009, 08:13:20 PM
What's wrong with AirFrance?
Mmmm... I don't know... maybe the font type is not fashion enough ;D
Quote from: Zeno on March 04, 2009, 09:18:35 PM
You're probably right, but both were the first companies who flight the A340-300 (21st october 1991), and I decided to paint it with AF colors.
Btw, I think I haven't any one with Lufthansa livery. Wich one would you like me to paint? I've thought of the 747-200, which was flown firstly by Lufthansa in 1972.
Mmmm... I don't know... maybe the font type is not fashion enough ;D
I like that you use the first companies to fly them, I think that the 737-300 is in lufthansa or ryanair livery. They will be launch customer for the new 747-800 next year, I like it better then 747-200.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lufthansa_747-830.jpg
I would rather get Md-11 or Airbus A350 in finnair livery ::)
Quote from: jamespetts on March 04, 2009, 08:13:20 PM
What's wrong with AirFrance?
That they where late both times :P
Quote from: jamespetts on March 04, 2009, 08:13:20 PM
What's wrong with AirFrance?
That they are always on strike? :D
Quote from: Midnight on March 08, 2009, 12:43:27 AM
That they are always on strike? :D
yes they are, but I think that many other airlines in Southern Europe has the same problem :D.
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That they are always on strike? Cheesy
In France all is always on strike, especially them :
_ Air France
_ SNCF (French trains, TGV)
_ RATP (buses, metro)
_ EDF (Électricité de France, energy distribution)
_ street sweepers
_ the post
But the problem comes from syndicates, (CGT, FO, ...) they have always a problem and show the president for that !
I think France is the country where they are the most strikes ...
Quote from: gauthier on March 08, 2009, 10:30:37 AM
In France all is always on strike, especially them :
_ Air France
_ SNCF (French trains, TGV)
_ RATP (buses, metro)
_ EDF (Électricité de France, energy distribution)
_ street sweepers
_ the post
But the problem comes from syndicates, (CGT, FO, ...) they have always a problem and show the president for that !
I think France is the country where they are the most strikes ...
How about Italy, they are on strike like once a day also.
My last adquisition is the Fokker F27. I've painted a passenger version using an old styled TAA livery (one of its first operators), and a mail version using a custom yellowish livery. I've had no time to test it very much (only the passenger version a bit), so any comments and bug reports are welcome! Hope you like it.
Edid: Changed image by an in-game screenshot!
Hi Zeno.
For presentation a so brighty vehicle you can make a second picture with a nice background-color. For example like this:
(http://www.simutrans-forum.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2822)
TV-Tower from A. Brose.
Quote from: sojo on March 27, 2009, 01:25:30 PM
For presentation a so brighty vehicle you can make a second picture with a nice background-color. For example like this:
Well. Thanks for the idea, I will change the background on next ones. Anyway I usually get in-game pictures, but today I can't run Simutrans until I get back home, so I put a couple of images from the vehicle render :P
Argh... Sven, the following presentation picture is much better. ;D
(http://www.simutrans-forum.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2838)
Zeno: in-game picuteres are the best. :)
I have worked on the picture from top.
Thanks sojo. I like that one!
Tonight I may take some in-game pics ;)
Quote from: Zeno on March 27, 2009, 12:40:37 PM
My last adquisition is the Fokker F27. I've painted a passenger version using an old styled TAA livery (one of its first operators), and a mail version using a custom yellowish livery. I've had no time to test it very much (only the passenger version a bit), so any comments and bug reports are welcome! Hope you like it.
Nice plane, I like the F-27. In the same category but a generation or two newer the Saab 340 or 2000 would be nice especially the 2000 (one of the fastest turboprops in the world) would be nice to have
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Blue1/Saab-2000/1064670/M/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Blue1/Saab-2000/1090593/M/
Possible bug might be the cost, even do I fly full plane all the time I can't do a profit. if the price would be set closer to 2 it would be possible.
Edit a freighter edition would be nice to have
@Ariarinen: I'm glad you have new ideas but I must say despite I like a lot the Saab 2000 and I have it in mind for a long time, at the moment I won't work in any new models but replacing current ones. Btw, DC-10, 747s, W8B, Rocco, and a couple of freighters (C130 & IL76 I think) are left. Most of them (maybe all) are already modelled in blender, waiting for a texturing session. When finished, I may start adding new models to the game.
Anyway, here's the Junkers Ju-52. Mainly was used for militar purposes during 2WW by the Luftwaffe, but it was also used as passenger liner and for mail transport. They were built between 1930 and 1952, for a total of 4845 units. I've painted it in the original Lufthansa D-AQUI livery worn in 1936 (you can take a look on it in the wikipedia). I also leave here an in-game capture ;)
Added the very well known Douglas DC-3. That's the most succesful not jet-engined plane ever. Even today there are some flying, more than 75 years after the first one was built. It's painted with KLM original livery it had in 1939, and there is only a passenger version. Also you can take a look at the original one just googling or in the wikipedia. Hope you like them.
Quote from: Zeno on April 04, 2009, 09:24:41 PM
@Ariarinen: I'm glad you have new ideas but I must say despite I like a lot the Saab 2000 and I have it in mind for a long time, at the moment I won't work in any new models but replacing current ones. Btw, DC-10, 747s, W8B, Rocco, and a couple of freighters (C130 & IL76 I think) are left. Most of them (maybe all) are already modelled in blender, waiting for a texturing session. When finished, I may start adding new models to the game.
That sounds good, I like the DC-10 and 747 8)
Meanwhile, here's the Rohrbach Rocco seaplane. There was only one built ever, and it was used «by the Deutsche Luft Hansa for the Travemünde to Oslo route» (extracted from the wikipedia). I've tryed to reproduce its original livery using some pics as reference. Hope you like it.
He, I live next to the factory (actually the rorbach factory was partly destroyed in WWII and teared down 2006 to built a park. The factory was actually not close to any seaplane worthy water body ...
Wow! It's a pity it didn't become a museum (despite a park is also a good idea).
I'm wondering if a some canal next to the taxiway would do the thing for this seaplanes ;D
Another plane is ready. This is the C-130 Hercules from Lockheed. It's been constructed since 1956, and it's still in production. It's basically used for military and humanitary mission transports. I've used a custom livery for simutrans, orange/red for boxed goods and blue for cooled transport. Happy transporting ;)
Great - we can now have Simutrans humanitarian missions!
Jamespetts - can you work this into your code ;D
Nice planes - I'm looking forward to the whole series!!
(edit: spelled jamespetts wrong >:()
Quote from: Zeno on April 08, 2009, 08:49:40 PM
Another plane is ready. This is the C-130 Hercules from Lockheed. It's been constructed since 1956, and it's still in production. It's basically used for military and humanitary mission transports. I've used a custom livery for simutrans, orange/red for boxed goods and blue for cooled transport. Happy transporting ;)
Nice planes I like the blue one because price of 813 and color, the orange one is so expensive when it cost 68520. ::)
Quote from: ariarinen on April 09, 2009, 12:44:28 PM
Nice planes I like the blue one because price of 813 and color, the orange one is so expensive when it cost 68520. ::)
Sorry for that mistake, now it's corrected! Thanks for the feedback ariarinen, now you can purchase it happily for only 81300 cr ;D
Ok guys, time for some news:
The Handley Page W Type (W8B), a biplane operated by Imperial Airways for the route Paris-Brussels in early 20s. With capacity for 12 passengers it was one of the very first air-liners.
Also comes here the Ilyushin IL-76 Candid, a russian cargo plane from second half of 20th century. Capable of carrying 50 tonnes at 800 km/h over 3500 km and some models even further. It's the most widely used specific cargo ship with almost 1000 units built.
Please report any issues you find! Hope you enjoy them :)
Quote from: Zeno on April 09, 2009, 04:30:45 PM
Sorry for that mistake, now it's corrected! Thanks for the feedback ariarinen, now you can purchase it happily for only 81300 cr ;D
Ok guys, time for some news:
The Handley Page W Type (W8B), a biplane operated by Imperial Airways for the route Paris-Brussels in early 20s. With capacity for 12 passengers it was one of the very first air-liners.
Also comes here the Ilyushin IL-76 Candid, a russian cargo plane from second half of 20th century. Capable of carrying 50 tonnes at 800 km/h over 3500 km and some models even further. It's the most widely used specific cargo ship with almost 1000 units built.
Please report any issues you find! Hope you enjoy them :)
For that price a rather purchase IL-76 ::)
Quote from: ariarinen on April 10, 2009, 10:41:05 AM
For that price a rather purchase IL-76 ::)
Of course you're free to buy the one you like most ;)
Btw, I'm presenting the remake for the McDonnell Douglas DC-10, a tri-engined jet built from 1971 to 1988. There were built 386 units of the passenger version. This time I've used United Airlines livery, who were the first to order it together with American Airlines (whose already have a plane in my pak, so I decided for UA). Hope you like it!
Quote from: Zeno on April 10, 2009, 11:20:37 AM
Hope you like it!
Yes! I especially like the slightly less bright white on the plane - less dazzling! Is there anywhere to download all of the planes in one go?
Quote from: The Hood on April 10, 2009, 11:40:36 AM
Yes! I especially like the slightly less bright white on the plane - less dazzling! Is there anywhere to download all of the planes in one go?
Well, it's not white. Actually it's grey :D
At the moment there isn't a full download available. Anyway, if you wait a little bit, I'll finish the 747-200 and 747-400 probably this afternoon and then release the full pak ;)
Quote from: Zeno on April 10, 2009, 11:20:37 AM
Of course you're free to buy the one you like most ;)
Btw, I'm presenting the remake for the McDonnell Douglas DC-10, a tri-engined jet built from 1971 to 1988. There were built 386 units of the passenger version. This time I've used United Airlines livery, who were the first to order it together with American Airlines (whose already have a plane in my pak, so I decided for UA). Hope you like it!
Well I use the IL-76 and A380F and AI use the C-130.
The DC-11 seems nice, will there be a MD-11?.
Oh, OK, I like it anyway. I find the all white ones very bright on my computer (and also a bit too bright for PakBritain). Either way it's really great to have such a large set of consistent planes in pak128 - something that's been missing for a while...
Ok. The 747-200 is finished in all its three current verions: passenger, mail and cargo services. I've used custom liveries for mail an cargo ones, while the passenger version is painted with China Airlines livery, as a small tribute for the Flight 611 crew & passengers, who lost their lives in 2002. It was the last 747-200 of China Airlines fleet.
I'll work now in the 747-400 which will be painted in Lufthansa colors.
Edit: Ooooops! Thanks to Vilvoh for the DC-10 and 747 blender models!!! :P
Well, I must stop working on this before I become mad (even more!).
But first, at the end of quite a productive day, I leave here the Boeing 747-400. It's a modification done to the original 747-200 which made the higher cabin (747 characteristic) a bit longer, and raised a little its wingspan also. It entered service in February 1989 and it's currently in service, to be replaced by the new modification 747-800. I've painted it using Lufthansa livery, which is one of its primary users.
For those who want to take the full pakset in a single file, I'll upload it now and attach it at the very first message of this post. Hope you like & enjoy it :)
I've made a review of costs in the pak, specially running costs of older planes, to make the pakset also playable for early years in cronology games. Now you can make some profit with DC-3, Constellation, Junkers and other old planes. Despite you can think now they seem to be much more profitable, beware at the airport maintenance costs, which are huge, and as consequence the profit isn't as high as you thought! ;)
Please, report any bug/issue/idea in this post. Thanks!
I've updated the main link, so you can download it at the first post (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1470.msg14665#msg14665) of this topic.
I looked into the thread very well but I didn't see the CRJ900.
is it still a "work in progress" or what?
please answer me because I love that plane! :-)
I'm sorry the pak is now at "stand by" mode. But I can add it to the to-do list, where there are some more boeings and douglas to complete the current pak plus some smaller modern planes (the CRJ900 can be one of them).
From now I'll spend my time on pak balancing and the going-open-source process, so I'm afraid the planes will be stopped for a while.
Quote from: Zeno on May 02, 2009, 09:44:45 AM
I'm sorry the pak is now at "stand by" mode. But I can add it to the to-do list, where there are some more boeings and douglas to complete the current pak plus some smaller modern planes (the CRJ900 can be one of them).
From now I'll spend my time on pak balancing and the going-open-source process, so I'm afraid the planes will be stopped for a while.
How about MD-80/90 to the to-do list also? the MD-90 could fall in to modern small planes.
And who about the market leader Embraer E-Jet? will it be among the smaller modern planes
Also replacement for the 727 would be nice like 727 -> 757 to A321
Some planes for the earlier years:
Dornier Do X Water Plane 12 props,100 people,around 1934
Dornier Do 3 (first Lufthansa plane) 1 prop,20 people,around 1930
I just noticed that:
Info on the 737-300 is wrong, the intro date is not 1968 but November 28, 1984.
The 737-100 and 200 was the ones flying in 1968.
Yes, I know it's wrong, and it may apply to all the planes in the pak.
That is because I decided to use the family intro date for those planes which only are represented by one model (which are most). I know it's not a very real thing, but I thought that was the best way for introduction dates to fit best in Simutrans.
Anyway, suggestions are accepted, as always :)
Quote from: Zeno on July 10, 2009, 07:51:53 AM
Yes, I know it's wrong, and it may apply to all the planes in the pak.
That is because I decided to use the family intro date for those planes which only are represented by one model (which are most). I know it's not a very real thing, but I thought that was the best way for introduction dates to fit best in Simutrans.
Anyway, suggestions are accepted, as always :)
Ah, well I saw that the 747 family had own intro-dates. And the original 737 has close to nothing in common with the classic/NG models other then the name. For most models it works well the current system as the improvements is often limited to size and engines and fuel and just a few years of etch other. But its not a problem I use the A320 most of the time so I barely notice ::)
DC-9/MD-80/90 family would be nice to have the sold really well and is still a workhorse in many fleets. And the 3 missing Boeing's 757, 767, 777, and some RJ like E-170/190.
Quote from: ariarinen on July 10, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
And the 3 missing Boeing's 757, 767, 777, and some RJ like E-170/190.
I guess you mean 757, 767 and
787. The 777 was painted with ANA livery, and it's one of my favourite!! ;)
Btw, those you comment were the next in my todo list, but I'm starting another project so I'll only paint more planes as an unusual work, as the plane pak has now the "stand by" status.
I'm sorry, but other things are more important now (like ships and balancing). But I promise I will bring some surprises later on :)
Quote from: Zeno on July 10, 2009, 06:58:08 PM
I guess you mean 757, 767 and 787. The 777 was painted with ANA livery, and it's one of my favourite!! ;)
Btw, those you comment were the next in my todo list, but I'm starting another project so I'll only paint more planes as an unusual work, as the plane pak has now the "stand by" status.
I'm sorry, but other things are more important now (like ships and balancing). But I promise I will bring some surprises later on :)
Oh there is a 777, its also one of my favorite Boeing (777, 757).
The 787-8 could be the optimal and A350-900 or 1000.
dead link for the COMPLETE Plane Pakset v1.1 (updated RC/Cost)
Quote from: x7657 on August 01, 2009, 05:20:26 AM
dead link for the COMPLETE Plane Pakset v1.1 (updated RC/Cost)
Thanks x7657. Link now fixed.
Well, I actually have some work on old style industries, but I've begun planning the next moves on planes.
I've had an analyzing session on airplanes, and I've make some charts. It's a very basic chart showing amount of vehicles available per game year, but I've decided to divide the vehicles in four groups based on their capacity:
1) Light passenger transport: up to 99 passengers.
us (site down, do not visit) ]/image/direct/pO6AeJ-jGu/light-psg.png](http:///image/thumb/pO6AeJ-jGu/light-psg.png) (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
2) Medium passenger transport: 100 to 220 passengers.
us (site down, do not visit) ]/image/direct/0GKgJwo9f2/medium-psg.png](http:///image/thumb/0GKgJwo9f2/medium-psg.png) (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
3) Large passenger transport: 221-399 passengers.
us (site down, do not visit) ]/image/direct/QN5oLXvn0f/large-psg.png](http:///image/thumb/QN5oLXvn0f/large-psg.png) (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
4) Huge passenger transport: 400 or more passengers.
us (site down, do not visit) ]/image/direct/-sCKhzGCIG/huge-psg.png](http:///image/thumb/-sCKhzGCIG/huge-psg.png) (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
So, as a conclusion, I can identify the following needs:
- Light passenger from 1980 is insufficient (zero!), so at least a couple of small jets will be drawn for modern age (+1980).
- Large passenger transport from 2007/8 is enough, but can be complemented with one/two additional crafts.
And then, candidates.
- For light jets I can think of a Bombardier CRJ series (which was suggested in the forum, don't remember by who), the Embraer 145 or 170, and the BAe 146.
- For large transport I think (obviously) of the Boeing 757/767/787 and the Airbus A350.
So... I only need some free time now :D
Any suggestions/wishes?
I suggested CRJ900, a nice plane i enjoyed using (although the company was awful and eventually bankrupted).
For medium transport do we have Airbus A319/320 and Boeing 737 (with different series and capacity)?
Quote from: fabio on September 14, 2009, 03:30:33 PM
I suggested CRJ900, a nice plane i enjoyed using (although the company was awful and eventually bankrupted).
For medium transport do we have Airbus A319/320 and Boeing 737 (with different series and capacity)?
A320: 150 psg.
B737: 110 psg.
There is only one plane of each series at the moment; maybe later on, but it isn't a must right now.
Medium transport is covered enough through the timeline (2 different units to choose from), although it could be improved with one/two additional vehicles.
PS: I changed the medium-liner chart, which was wrong. Sorry.
Ok, the Bombarier CRJs are under work... needs post-processing, like special colors, alignment, etc.
CRJ-200: 50 Passengers, available from 1992 until end of game.
us (site down, do not visit) ]/image/show/DQBZ7VoJ7o/crj-200.png](http:///image/thumb/DQBZ7VoJ7o/crj-200.png) (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
CRJ-900: 86 Passengers, available from 2001 until end of game.
us (site down, do not visit) ]/image/show/nxthJGUHoD/crj-900.png](http:///image/thumb/nxthJGUHoD/crj-900.png) (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
us (site down, do not visit) ]/files/get/7rv-Gsr0Q9/sac-bombardier-crj.7z]>>> DOWNLOAD HERE <<< (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
Btw, suggestions, comments??
I like them.. I was really excited when I saw the top one there, thought it was in Delta livery. ;D
In any case I just discovered your plane pak the other day, and I really love it! Just need larger plane loading areas now. :D
wow, bravo! just ready to hop in! ;D
Glad you like them. Actually the CRJ-200, on top, is in Convair livery (owned by Delta); the CRJ-900 uses the "jetSense" technology colour schema, by Bombardier.
Edit: Both finished. Download link just below the pics. Hope you enjoy it :)
Now is the time for the BAC One Eleven 200. Built from 1963 to 1989, had capacity for 89 passengers and it came from Hunting and Vickers jet designs to replace the Viscount. Painted with green Braniff International color scheme.
us (site down, do not visit) ]/image/direct/otEAUFX28h/bac-1-11-big.png](http:///image/thumb/otEAUFX28h/bac-1-11-big.png) (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
us (site down, do not visit) ]/files/get/JmGfC6RVM2/vehicles.sacbac111.pak.7z]>>> Download Here!! <<< (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
Next stop: Brazil!! ;D
These are the latest generation of brazilian jets for medium short range, low capacity lines. This two models were introduced very recently, between 2003 and 2004. The Embraer E-Jets is made of two families: the E-170 and the E-190. Hope you enjoy them!
Embraer E-170 - TRIP Linhas Aereas livery
us (site down, do not visit) ]/image/direct/SsLOkYK2Zg/embraer-e170.png](http:///image/thumb/SsLOkYK2Zg/embraer-e170.png) (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
Embraer E-190 - Azul Brazilian Airlines livery
us (site down, do not visit) ]/image/direct/wIowiZEXI6/embraer-e-190.png](http:///image/thumb/wIowiZEXI6/embraer-e-190.png) (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
us (site down, do not visit) ]/files/get/GMDZWVVxLY/embraer-planes.7z]>>>Download here!!<<< (http://files.[%20simutrans%20[dot)
Nice ! ;D
Thanks Zeno!
I especially like these smaller passenger jets. They were what I needed in the last game :-[.
Now I have to start considering building airports into the present scenario.
Please allow me to make a suggestion: Soviet/Russian passenger jets (Antonovs, Illyushins, Tupolevs, Yakovlevs).
While I might not really want to fly on these planes, I think they are great for variety and fantasy value.
Cheers.
Quote from: fabio on September 14, 2009, 03:30:33 PM
For medium transport do we have Airbus A319/320 and Boeing 737 (with different series and capacity)?
A320-200 and B737-300
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the Boeing 757 is medium not large transport.
How about Saab 340 as a 80's light transport, MD-80 would be a nice 80's plane also.
Quote from: ariarinen on September 19, 2009, 05:25:29 PM
MD-80 would be a nice 80's plane also.
a great one... and it's an 80's plane, although lousy Alitalia still flies some today... :(
Quote from: fabio on September 19, 2009, 09:39:22 PM
a great one... and it's an 80's plane, although lousy Alitalia still flies some today... :(
Well SAS also files 42 MD-80 planes still today, plus the 5 modern MD-90 flown by their Finnish subsidiary Blue1. Alitalia has 24 left. But both has been the worlds 3d (al) and 4th (sas) largest MD-80 operators behind AA and Delta.
And yes its a great plane, if you sit in the front like I have on both MD-80/90. I mostly travel (short haul) on the Embraer E-170/ATR 72 or A320 and some times with the MD-90 or Saab 2000 all nice planes.
Zeno: could you create this? - Tupolev 154
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ocsYp7lzFnM/STRhCxkS6lI/AAAAAAAACKA/uroctkutw_E/s400/0277-018_950px.jpg)
(http://5ka.su/download/referat/air/2002-a-4749.jpg)
http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/3vues/tupolev_tu154_3v.jpg (http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/3vues/tupolev_tu154_3v.jpg) - I am sorry for only link but picture behind this link is quite great.
And here are (important) technical data (in metric scale):
copied from http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/acdata_tu154_en.php (http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/acdata_tu154_en.php)
Crew 3-4
Passengers 180
Propulsion 3 Turbofan Engines
Engine Model Aviadvigatel D-30KV-154
Engine Power (each) 103 kN
Speed 950 km/h
Service Ceiling 11.100 m
Range 5.200 km
Empty Weight 55.300 kg
max. Takeoff Weight 100.000 kg
Wing Span 37,55 m
Wing Area 201,5 m²
Length 47,92 m
Height 11,40 m
First Flight 04.10.1968
And all: please, don't think this request is based on what happened today (10.4. 2010) at about half past nine of CET (Central-Europe Time) close to Smolensk.
how sad happening ...
The French president Nicolas Sarkozy had once again enjoyed this to use our feelings to increase his popularity -_-" (which is very very low).
This man is really an as*hol* , as every politician he abused the French, and he is still doing that.
It's sure that he won't be still president at the next elections.
Quote from: gauthier on April 10, 2010, 03:58:27 PM
how sad happening ...
The French president Nicolas Sarkozy had once again enjoyed this to use our feelings to increase his popularity -_-" (which is very very low).
This man is really an as*hol* , as every politician he abused the French, and he is still doing that.
It's sure that he won't be still president at the next elections.
No politics please!
@VaclavMacurek: That would be a good addition to a plane pack. I feel it's missing some eastern planes.
But then again it depends upon Zeno's work!
If I am not wrong, at this time only Ilyushin IL-76 "Candid" is present in planes' depot. And so I have to agree with Aquel ... more planes from Russia (mainly from Soviet Russia) are invited.
So here is Tupolev Tu-104
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/jetliner/tu104/tu104_schem_01.gif (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/jetliner/tu104/tu104_schem_01.gif)
HISTORY:
First Flight 17 June 1955
Service Entry
(Tu-104) 15 September 1956
(Tu-104B) 15 April 1959
CREW: up to five flight crew: pilot, co-pilot, navigator, radio operator, flight engineer
PASSENGERS:
(Tu-104) 50
(Tu-104A) 70
(Tu-104B) 100
(Tu-104D) 85
(Tu-104V) 100
DIMENSIONS:
Length
Tu-104 38.84 m
Tu-104B 40.05 m
Wingspan 34.54 m
Height 11.90 m
Wing Area 183.50 m2
WEIGHTS:
Empty 41,600 kg
Max Takeoff 76,000 kg
PROPULSION:
Powerplant two Mikulin AM-3M-500 turbojets
Thrust 190.26 kN
PERFORMANCE:
Max Level Speed at altitude: 950 km/h at 10,000 m
max cruise speed: 820 km/h at 9,150 m
normal cruise speed: 750 km/h at 9,150 m
Initial Climb Rate unknown
Service Ceiling 11,500 m
Range 2,650 km
Endurance unknown
g-Limits unknown
KNOWN VARIANTS:
Tu-104 Initial production model carrying 50 passengers and powered by two Mikulin AM-3 turbojets
Tu-104A Improved model with a revised cabin carrying 70 passengers and powered by uprated Mikluin AM-3M turbojets
Tu-104B Enlarged model with a longer fuselage for up to 100 passengers and powered by Mikulin AM-3M-500 turbojets
Tu-104D Tu-104A airframes rebuilt to accomodate 85 passengers
Tu-104E Test aircraft converted from a Tu-104B and used to set a closed-circuit record carrying a 6,805 lb (15,000 kg) payload at 596.61 mph (959.94 km/h) over a 1,245 mile (2,000 km) course
Tu-104V Tu-104A airframes rebuilt to accomodate 100 passengers
Tu-110 Single Tu-104B model modified with four engines in the wing root to serve as the Tu-110 prototype, despite offering improved economy, field length requirements, and handling, the aircraft did not go into production and the prototype was turned over to the Air Force
Tu-124 Short-range airliner derived from the Tu-104
KNOWN OPERATORS:
Civil Aeroflot
Ceskoslovenske Aerolinie (CSA)
Soon will be added other ones.
I'm sorry planes are probably in the lowest place of the priority rank :(
We have at the moment an airplane pak that is fully playable through a complete timeline, so my time will be focused in other projects.
Of course some more planes could be added, but as I say it's a priority matter.
Btw, if someone is interested on painting any airplanes, ask me and I will gladly explain details on scaling, painting and coding, to help fitting them better into the current pak.
Zeno,
am I correct in recalling that you make these in Blender? If so, could you perhaps upload your .blends so that others can tinker with them to produce different liveries and even completely different aircraft? It is much easier to produce new ones from existing models than to start from scratch.
They are pretty old, and thus messed up, but I could try to rescue some of them :)
I'd be grateful :-)
Tupolev 154 would be possible to create by tweaking the current Boeing 727.
Quote from: ariarinen on April 18, 2010, 12:36:27 PM
Tupolev 154 would be possible to create by tweaking the current Boeing 727.
I've used the same technique for lots and lots of railway graphics for Pak128.Britain - it is surprisingly effective and efficient!
:o To make Tupolev 154 by improving of Boeing 727? ;D You caused I am rolling on the floor laughing. They are too much different.
Quote from: VaclavMacurek on April 18, 2010, 03:43:28 PM
:o To make Tupolev 154 by improving of Boeing 727? ;D You caused I am rolling on the floor laughing. They are too much different.
It's not as absurd as it seems: I'm not particularly familiar with those specific aircraft, but I've done it with trains of very different types, retaining only the basic sizes and shapes. It saves a great deal of work.
So ... I beg your pardon but could you show it? It seems be very interesting.
All the graphics here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=4814.0) were made by that method.
@Vaclav,
Both planes have wings, engines, fuselage, and a tail. You can save a lot of work in blender by keeping these components the same (or changing their position, dimensions slightly) and get a different vehicle for minimal work. A lot of the different pak128.Britain vehicles were created this way (including 90% of the buses and trams!).
OK.
After some other searchings I found they are not so different as it seemed before.
Is the complete pak still available for download? The link on the first post of this thread doesn't seem to go to the right place.
Thanks
AndyH
this addon is included in pak128, isn'it ?
If I am not wrong, only some ones. I am sure only with Boeing 747 Jumbo but may be also other. This has to be said by VS or Zeno.
All of them are included, except the last ones: the two Embraer planes, the BAC 1-11 and the two Bombardier CRJs.
SAC Boeing 707 needs two minor corrections:
- first is related to attached picture - one white pixel is over its tail when it is in direction to left bottom corner
- the second is related to age of that plane - regardless of game need some vehicles less retirement year in all categories, this plane should not be between them; if its intro year is 1958, then it is too early to it could let stay in game for ever after; but it is my opinion on this because I am not familiar with planes' construction and I don't know how much their life can be prolonged
The pixel glitches are fixed in svn...
Great!But B747-400 have some problem...can't extract...
Hi
The link to the complete package does not work...
Giuseppe
Quote from: VaclavMacurek on May 21, 2010, 03:25:21 PM
- the second is related to age of that plane - regardless of game need some vehicles less retirement year in all categories, this plane should not be between them; if its intro year is 1958, then it is too early to it could let stay in game for ever after; but it is my opinion on this because I am not familiar with planes' construction and I don't know how much their life can be prolonged
Yes, and the 727 should also be in that category.
The 707 was produced between 1958–1979, and most civil operators has replaced them with the more efficient 727 or A300. It should be gone in the 80's it wont make any sense to fly so small 4 quad jet, when more efficient tri and twins are on the market.
And the 727 is replaced by the 757 and A320.
And the life of a plane can be prolonged by many years but it makes not much sense to do so at least not for passengers but for freight and military use it doesn't matter that much as they fly just a few hours a day.
Quote from: Zeno on February 07, 2009, 04:46:26 PM
>>> DOWNLOAD <<< COMPLETE Plane Pakset v1.1 (updated RC/Cost) (http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/vehicles.SAC-PlanePakset.pak.zip)
This file contains all plane models I made for Pak128, so if you download this, you don't need any other file from my plane set.
Please, report any bugs and issues from both graphics and data by posting in this thread. Thanks!
If you need a single plane pakfile, you can find by digging into this thread, or you can download the full pakset and use makeobj with the extract command to get all single files from it.
link broken
Yes, it is no longer available. Download the OpenPak128 from the nightly page instead, which includes all these airplanes.
Quote from: Zeno on June 25, 2010, 05:22:43 PM
Yes, it is no longer available. Download the OpenPak128 from the nightly page instead, which includes all these airplanes.
Where is it? I'm quite interested...
http://nightly.simutrans-germany.com