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Title: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 12, 2010, 05:37:42 AM
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1. Simutrans Logos
  1.1 Simutrans Official Logo
  1.2 Simutrans Nightly Build Logo
  1.3 Simutrans Experimental Logo
  1.4 Simutrans Mac Logo
  1.5 Simutrans Square Logo
2. Paksets Logos
  2.1 Pak.HD
  2.2 Pak.HD-HighTech
  2.3 Pak128.CS
  2.4 Pak192.Comic
  2.5 Comic Style
3. What I Used
4. Comments & More
5. Download
6. Changelog
ATTENTION: In our resources (http://www.simutrans.com/resources) page from our portal you can download the latest version of the official logos in vector (EPS) and raster (PNG) and with no need to download the font files.

I've been searching the forum and found some people asking for a logo in Simutrans Experimental and Graphics.Simutrans.
So I decided to create it, I searched this forum and the old archived forum and downloaded the official logo in svg format.
As I was thinking in a logo for graphics and experimental I decided to make some changes in the official logo and the nightly logo.

1.1 Simutrans Official Logo
The Official logo, I think it's perfect, but the font used to write Simutrans didn't look good for me, so I made some search about a new font, but then I remembered a font that I got installed. And for me it's perfect, the font is from a set of 'road sign fonts' it's an exact copy of the official font used in USA. The font fits perfect in a transport game.
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6643/simutrans.png)
Update History (Image above is Version 1)
Version 1 (First logo) (http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6643/simutrans.png)
Version 1.1 (http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4808/simutrans11.png)
ACTUAL LOGO: Version 1.1




1.2 Simutrans Nightly Build Logo
The Nighly logo is cool too, but I didn't remembered that it already has a logo, so I created it anyway, I just changed the background color for a night effect, added a moon and an hotel sign and wrote Nightly above the logo with another font from the same road sign set.
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1687/simutransnightly.png)
Update History (Image above is Version 1)
Version 1 (First logo) (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1687/simutransnightly.png)
Version 2 (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6159/simutransnightlynew.png)
Version 3 Alternative A (http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3254/simutransnightly12a.png)
Version 3 Alternative B (http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3097/simutransnightly12b.png)
Version 3 Alternative C (http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5419/simutransnightly12c.png)
Version 3.1 Alternative B (http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8131/simutransnightly31b.png)
Version 3.1 Alternative C (http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6131/simutransnightly31c.png)
Version 3.2 Alternative B (http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8012/simutransnightly32b.png)
Version 3.2 Alternative C (http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9704/simutransnightly32c.png)
Version 3.3 Alternative B (http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7919/simutransnightly33b.png)
Version 3.3 Alternative C (http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4397/simutransnightly33c.png)
Version 3.4 Alternative B (http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/670/simutransnightly34b.png)
Version 3.4 Alternative C (http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4209/simutransnightly34c.png)
ACTUAL LOGO: Version 3.2C or 3.2B (Waiting for comments for Version 3.4)




1.3 Simutrans Experimental Logo
The Experimental logo came from my mind immediately, I tried to made a sketch effect in the logo, to me it gives the idea of experimental, it's like the programmers are "drawing" Simutrans.
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1204/simutransexperimental.png)
Update History (Image above is Version 1)
Version 1 (First logo) (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1204/simutransexperimental.png)
Version 2 (http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1065/simutransexperimental11.png) - Now is pakHD logo
Version 3 (http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8028/simutransexperimental30.png)
Version 3.1 (http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4794/simutransexperimental31.png)
ACTUAL LOGO: Version 3 (Waiting for comments for Version 3.1)




1.4 Simutrans Mac Logo
The Mac logo is for Mac OS, it tries to have a square look but having the same identity of the main logo. But probably will be replaced with the square logo.
Update History
Version 1 (First logo) (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2015/simutransmac10.png)
Version 2 (http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4264/simutransmac2.png)
ACTUAL LOGO: Version 2
First post about the logo (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=5918.msg89305#msg89305), with alpha preview.




1.5 Simutrans Square Logo
The Square logo is a version for places where the main wide logo won't look good, like when the logo needs to be small.
Update History
Version 1 (First logo) (http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9914/simutranssquare10.png)
ACTUAL LOGO: Version 1
First post about the logo (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=5918.msg88774#msg88774) with an alpha preview.




2. Paksets Logos
2.1 pakHD Logo
pakHD is using the same logo from Simutrans Experimental Version 2 (http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1065/simutransexperimental11.png), but with some changes on tree.
Go to the post with last modified logo (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=5918.msg57387#msg57387) by martin, pakHD maintainer.

2.2 pakHD.HighTech Logo
Logo created for pakset HD.HighTech. Go to the post about this logo (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=5918.msg60163#msg60163).
Version 1 (First logo) pakset was named pak96.HD2 (http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4805/simutranspak96hd210.png)
Version 2 (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5244/pakhdhightech20.png)
ACTUAL LOGO: Version 2

2.3 pak128.CS Logo
Logo created for the pak128.CSGo to the post about this logo (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=5918.msg82032#msg82032).
Version 1 (First logo) (http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5728/pak128cs.png)
Version 1.1 (http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5728/pak128cs.png)
Version 1.1.1 (http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7520/pak128cs11.png)
Version 1.1.2 (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4283/pak128cs11m.png)
ACTUAL LOGO: Version 1.1.2

2.4 pak192.comic Logo
New logo created for pakset 192.comic. Go to the post about this logo (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=5918.msg74379#msg74379).
Version 1 (First logo) (http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tmxjgdP8dTE/TknS_hfqGII/AAAAAAAAAJo/Dj0HvAdvPHM/s800/pak192.comicLogo.png)
ACTUAL LOGO: Version 1

2.5 Comic Logo
New logo created for the Comic section. Go to the post about this logo (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=5918.msg74379#msg74379).
Version 1 (First logo) (http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t_EgfCtTTXg/TkniYb-H1uI/AAAAAAAAAKM/EMa-6w_Kpp4/s800/Simutrans%252520Comic.png)
ACTUAL LOGO: Version 1




3. What I used
I've used roadgeek 2005 font (Download here (http://www.4shared.com/file/glfudGy7/roadgeek2005v2-complete.html)) on Simutrans and Nightly words and Harrison font (Download Here (http://www.dafont.com/font.php?file=harrison&page=1&nb_ppp_old=10&text=&nb_ppp=10&psize=m&classt=alpha)) on Experimental word. For the logos I edited the official logo from stormoog(?) in Inkscape.




4. Comments & More
The logos keep a standard for Simutrans. (I'll talk more about create a Standard for Simutrans on another topic.)

I also created the icons for all of them, cause I was thinking about something like the executable for each of them with those different logos, so when running it you know what you're running. Explaining better: Simutrans stable version use the official logo, the nightly version use the nightly logo and experimental use the experimental logo.

I didn't created the graphics logo cause I had no good ideas yet, but I'm gonna post it here when done.




5. Downloads
ATTENTION: In our resources (http://www.simutrans.com/resources) page from our portal you can download the latest version of the official logos in vector (EPS) and raster (PNG) and with no need to download the font files.

You can download the SVG's, ICO's and PNG's from here (http://www.4shared.com/file/kxZGAVlX/Simutrans_logos.html).

You can download the PNG and SVG for Mac logo from here (http://www.4shared.com/zip/9fuvqxoH/simutranssquared.html)

You can download the PNG and SVG for Square logo from here (http://www.4shared.com/zip/TMxSPeu3/simutransmac.html)

You can download the PNG and SVG for pakHD.HT here (http://www.4shared.com/file/BuFsag7z/pakHDHighTech.html).

You can download the PNG and SVG for pak128.CS here (http://www.4shared.com/zip/AE5D7uV_/Pak128CS.html).

You can download the PNG and SVG for Comic logo here (http://www.4shared.com/file/28JEKNfU/Simutrans_Comic_Logo.html).

I want to know if you guys liked it, so comment.

PS.:I just want to add that the hotel sign in nightly logo uses the official blue from US signs.
PS2.:My icon creator program has an mac icon option, if needed I can convert it.





6. Changelog: (GMT -3)

14 Sep 2010 1:00pm
Edited 'original logo' for 'official logo' as told by Hajo.
Added update history for the logos
Updated link for download with new logos
14 Sep 2010 9:20pm
Added Version 3 of Experimental
Updated download for the logos
18 Sep 2010 1:50pm
Added Versions 3.1B and 3.1C for Nightly Logo
20 Sep 2010 9:20pm
Added Versions 3.2B and 3.2C for Nightly Logo
10 Nov 2010 11:15pm
Added Version 3.1 for Experimental Logo
Updated download for the logos - Experimental icon still version 3.0
13 Nov 2010 3:15pm
Added Versions 3.3B and 3.3C for Nightly Logo
14 Nov 2010 1:00am
Updated download for the logos - Experimental icon now version 3.1 and Nightly 3.3C
15 Nov 2010 9:05pm
Added Version 1.1 Simutrans Official Logo
Added Versions 3.4B and 3.4C Nightly Logo
Updated download for the logos
17 Nov 2010 10:55pm
Added pak96.HD2 logo
18 Nov 2010 4:15pm
Added Version 2 pakHD.HighTech (was pak96.HD2)
Updated download for pakHD.HighTech logo
15 Aug 2011 11:28pm
Added pak192.comic logo
16 Aug 2011 10:03am
Addded Comic section logo
21 Dez 2011 12:53am (Summer time +1h)
Addded pak128.CS logo
21 Dez 2011 11:25am (Summer time +1h)
Addded download link for pak128.CS logo
27 Feb 2012 11:42am
Added pak128.CS logo version 1.1
27 Feb 2012 6:40pm
Added version 1.1.1 for pak128.CS logo
28 Feb 2012 10:30am
Added version 1.1.2 for pak128.CS logo
12 Nov 2012 7:22pm
Added Mac and Square logos
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Spike on September 12, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
Quote from: An_dz on September 12, 2010, 05:37:42 AM
The Original logo

Simutrans had a different logo originally. This one came up after I retired from development.

Edit: I like the concept of the Simutrans Experimental logo. I'd wish for a more futuristic train, though, also the picture already has a touch of retro-futuristic style.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: prissi on September 12, 2010, 08:21:54 PM
Very nice logos indeed ...
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: IgorEliezer on September 12, 2010, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: prissi on September 12, 2010, 08:21:54 PM
Very nice logos indeed ...
^ QFT  :)

Just the Hotel/Bed sign in the Nightly Build logo makes me feel a tad out-of-place.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: prissi on September 12, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
Maybe this should be rather some "attention!" sign, as the nightlies may be broken?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: IgorEliezer on September 12, 2010, 09:32:32 PM
I think the attention sign (/!\) would distract the observer from the actual message: Nightly Build. About being broken or not, it's secondary.

I am more for "less is more" philosophy, though. Then, IMHO, I'd remove the sign. A quarter moon (or full moon) will reinforce the Nightly idea.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Francisco on September 12, 2010, 09:58:55 PM
Maybe one of these:

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8098/placas.png)

Quote from: IgorEliezer on September 12, 2010, 09:32:32 PM
A quarter moon (or full moon) will reinforce the Nightly idea.

And the train lights turned on too :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: IgorEliezer on September 12, 2010, 10:15:40 PM
Off-topic:

Welcome back sir Francisco. :D
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 13, 2010, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: Hajo on September 12, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
Quote from: An_dz
The Original logo
Simutrans had a different logo originally. This one came up after I retired from development.
You're right, I remember the old logo, I wanted to say the official logo, but it was 2 AM. ;)
Off: What an honor, the Simutrans' God gave the first reply. ;D
Quote from: The Simutrans Holy Bible Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the Simutrans were compiled in all their vast array, so on the same night he rested from all his work.

Quote from: Francisco on September 12, 2010, 09:58:55 PM
And the train lights turned on too :)
Quote from: IgorEliezer on September 12, 2010, 09:32:32 PM
I'd remove the sign.
I did what you guys asked here's result:
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6159/simutransnightlynew.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Isaac Eiland-Hall on September 13, 2010, 03:34:15 AM
I like the nightly logo very much :)

Well, I like them all, too.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: ӔO on September 13, 2010, 04:11:34 AM
I like the nightly logo.
I think the experimental logo makes it look like pak.HD

maybe a blueprint like background and some drawing tools like a protractor and pencil?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: vilvoh on September 13, 2010, 07:36:12 AM
I really love them, specially the experimental one, although the shape of the tree has too many lines in the inside.

The nightly compilation site already has a good logo, maybe you can mix them, and add some stars to yours.

(http://graphics.simutrans.com/albums/userpics/10026/nigtly-logo.png)

PD: I don't know why but the last design reminds me a little bit to Harry Potter...  :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on September 13, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: AEO on September 13, 2010, 04:11:34 AM
I like the nightly logo.
I think the experimental logo makes it look like pak.HD

maybe a blueprint like background and some drawing tools like a protractor and pencil?
PakHD is what I thought of, too.
I think slightly cleaner lines in a blueprint fashion would be better for ST-X.
I think this new nightly logo is better than the nightly build site's logo. But some stars would be nice, and a nearly half moon (slightly on the quarter side) would be good.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Michael 'Cruzer' on September 13, 2010, 08:24:42 PM
I really like your logos! They are great!

Actually there is the default logo at the boot up of pak64 nightly... probably we could use it there in the nightly builds? (not at the homepage...)
Also the Experimental logo is cool...
( probably you also have an idea for a logo for the Simutrans Comic Section? I know, you mean the binaries, but actually the 192c has no logo ;D )
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 14, 2010, 01:08:06 AM
Quote from: vilvoh on September 13, 2010, 07:36:12 AM
I really love them, specially the experimental one, although the shape of the tree has too many lines in the inside.
I did what you told, it looks cleaner now:
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1065/simutransexperimental11.png)

Quote from: AEO on September 13, 2010, 04:11:34 AM
I think the experimental logo makes it look like pak.HD
maybe a blueprint like background and some drawing tools like a protractor and pencil?
Quote from: skreyola on September 13, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
PakHD is what I thought of, too.
I think slightly cleaner lines in a blueprint fashion would be better for ST-X.
A blueprint background didn't look good, the logo became too confusing, it's already not so clean, and with lines at the back it became too dirty.
But I liked the idea of some tools over it. I will do it another time.

Quote from: vilvoh on September 13, 2010, 07:36:12 AM
maybe you can mix them, and add some stars to yours.
Quote from: skreyola on September 13, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
But some stars would be nice, and a nearly half moon (slightly on the quarter side) would be good.
I created three with stars, one with full moon and two others with half moon. You can clearly see that I created two constellation: Crux, better know as Southern Cross, and Ursa Minor with Polaris, better know as Polar Star. The constellation give an International look, Southern Cross representing south and Ursa Minor representing north. Here are they, full moon, half moon and 'realistic' half moon
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3254/simutransnightly12a.png)
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3097/simutransnightly12b.png)
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5419/simutransnightly12c.png)

Quote from: Michael 'Cruzer' on September 13, 2010, 08:24:42 PM
( probably you also have an idea for a logo for the Simutrans Comic Section? I know, you mean the binaries, but actually the 192c has no logo ;D )
I have no ideas right now, and I'm still thinking in a Graphics logo, but if an idea come from my mind first I'm gonna do it first.

Also, congrats for your pak, I love playing with it. And pak96.comic too. ;D
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: vilvoh on September 14, 2010, 07:13:04 AM
About the nightly logo, I think the third one is the best design
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on September 14, 2010, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: An_dz on September 14, 2010, 01:08:06 AM
A blueprint background didn't look good, the logo became too confusing, it's already not so clean, and with lines at the back it became too dirty.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. You don't need to have clutter in the background, just make the ST-X logo blue with white lines, similar to what you have except I don't think the tree needs to look sketched. I think the tree is the big thing that makes this look like a PakHD logo.
Quote
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5419/simutransnightly12c.png)
This is the best one.

Perhaps for g.s.c, you could do the same logo without the smoke, with another type of train alongside the first one, or with a building in the background, to symbolize the paks and other options on the site.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: VS on September 14, 2010, 04:27:17 PM
I love this... some unification across the varieties of game is desirable :) Perhaps these logos could be shown above pak selection box? Since some paksets already use their own logos, this wonderful unity would work nicely there.

I'd agree with skreyola that the sketch-like look makes me think of pakHD. On the other hand, maybe it's only because we know it exists?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 14, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: skreyola on September 14, 2010, 04:01:01 PM
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. You don't need to have clutter in the background, just make the ST-X logo blue with white lines, similar to what you have except I don't think the tree needs to look sketched. I think the tree is the big thing that makes this look like a PakHD logo.This is the best one.
Now it's better explained, I didn't understood what you wanted before. I'll try doing it today.

Quote from: VS on September 14, 2010, 04:27:17 PM
I love this... some unification across the varieties of game is desirable :) Perhaps these logos could be shown above pak selection box? Since some paksets already use their own logos, this wonderful unity would work nicely there.
Maybe before the game starts the Simutrans' logo should appear. Like this:
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2659/simutranswelcome.th.jpg) (http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2659/simutranswelcome.jpg)
And for people with only one pakset the logo appear for 5 seconds in black background

I edited the first post, added some links and also updated the file with the logos in SVG, ICO and now included PNG's.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on September 14, 2010, 07:39:22 PM
Good ideas.
Thank you for all your work on this so far.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: martin on September 14, 2010, 08:19:08 PM
I also like your logos very much!! May I adopt the experimental logo and implement it in PakHD?
It needs some tweaking, like removing "experimental", and maybe make the black lines a bit softer...

I'll give it a try if you let me.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: IgorEliezer on September 14, 2010, 08:57:10 PM
Quote from: An_dz on September 14, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Maybe before the game starts the Simutrans' logo should appear. Like this:
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2659/simutranswelcome.th.jpg) (http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2659/simutranswelcome.jpg)

YES. I support it. :)

All games I know has a logo in start screen.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: VS on September 14, 2010, 09:14:06 PM
Now only the program support for that... :P
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: prissi on September 14, 2010, 09:14:22 PM
For experimental rather something like below, maybe with digit font from old calculators?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 15, 2010, 12:16:50 AM
Quote from: martin on September 14, 2010, 08:19:08 PM
I also like your logos very much!! May I adopt the experimental logo and implement it in PakHD?
It needs some tweaking, like removing "experimental", and maybe make the black lines a bit softer...

I'll give it a try if you let me.
Course you can!
I did a new version for Experimental, it's now very different.
And keep me update, I want to see what you'll do. ;)

Quote from: skreyola on September 13, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
I think slightly cleaner lines in a blueprint fashion would be better for ST-X.
Quote from: skreyola on September 14, 2010, 04:01:01 PM
make the ST-X logo blue with white lines, similar to what you have except I don't think the tree needs to look sketched.
Now the version 3 of Experimental logo is great, I did what you said. I removed the tree and blueprinted it:
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8028/simutransexperimental30.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on September 15, 2010, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: An_dz on September 15, 2010, 12:16:50 AM
Now the version 3 of Experimental logo is great, I did what you said. I removed the tree and blueprinted it:
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8028/simutransexperimental30.png)
Great, indeed. It's beautiful.
I kind of like prissi's submission also. Hmm. Perhaps a vote should be held.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: isidoro on September 15, 2010, 01:21:32 AM
Quote from: An_dz on September 14, 2010, 01:08:06 AM
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5419/simutransnightly12c.png)

Maybe to make the moon look more realistic, the "horns" should start at opposite sides of the circle.  This one is more like an eclipse.  Also, I would turn the lighted part of the moon slightly pointing towards the horizon.  The lighted part comes from the sun and that part should point towards the place where the sun has risen or set.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: IgorEliezer on September 15, 2010, 01:37:32 AM
^ That moon above seems a full moon under a lunar eclipse.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 15, 2010, 01:52:00 AM
Quote from: isidoro on September 15, 2010, 01:21:32 AM
Maybe to make the moon look more realistic, the "horns" should start at opposite sides of the circle.  This one is more like an eclipse.  Also, I would turn the lighted part of the moon slightly pointing towards the horizon.  The lighted part comes from the sun and that part should point towards the place where the sun has risen or set.
OK maybe you're right, I just called it 'realistic' to say that alternative B is different from C and because when you look at an half moon you see a ball with a darken side and a lightened side, if I was searching for reality the southern cross will never appear even close the Polar Star. And it's just a logo, you can do what you want, if you want UFOs shotting lasers we can do it.

Also that makes me think about a poll to choose the logos. But including the current official logo of Simutrans and Nightly.

PS:I'm with some ideas for Graphics, but still thinking how to put it on Inkscape
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: ӔO on September 15, 2010, 02:11:51 AM
hmm, for the experimental, how about making the "experimental" look like the smoke coming out of the train?
that should create some room for tools to be placed inside the boundaries.

and maybe the graph lines could be done so that they're coming out of the same point as the train is?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on September 15, 2010, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: AEO on September 15, 2010, 02:11:51 AM
hmm, for the experimental, how about making the "experimental" look like the smoke coming out of the train?
that should create some room for tools to be placed inside the boundaries.

and maybe the graph lines could be done so that they're coming out of the same point as the train is?
Oh, I like these ideas. It would be great if the word Experimental were in the smoke line.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 15, 2010, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: AEO on September 15, 2010, 02:11:51 AM
hmm, for the experimental, how about making the "experimental" look like the smoke coming out of the train?
that should create some room for tools to be placed inside the boundaries.
As I told in the first post, standard, I want to maintain a standard in Simutrans official logos, changing it to the smoke breaks it. ;) But I can give a try to show it here, but I still don't agree.

Quote from: AEO on September 15, 2010, 02:11:51 AM
and maybe the graph lines could be done so that they're coming out of the same point as the train is?
You say the white parallel lines in blueprint? ???
I''m gonna try, but I don't think it will be cool.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: jamespetts on September 15, 2010, 07:03:56 PM
On the subject of the Experimental logo - unless the suggestion made above to show the logo on the pak selector screen is adopted (which may have some benefits), there is not a need for a Simutrans-Experimental logo per se, as the logo used is whatever logo accompanies the pakset being used with it (by default, Pak128.Britain-Ex). Although the logo is well drawn (my preference is for the earlier version), I am keen to get away from the idea of Experimental having graphics (etc.) that emphasise the "experimental" nature of the project, because Experimental is not just a test-bed, but a fully-fledged fork that, when sufficiently stable and tested, will become "Simutrans-Extended".

However, I do like the nightly logos - the purple colour is rather fetching :-)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: ӔO on September 15, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: An_dz on September 15, 2010, 05:34:04 PM
As I told in the first post, standard, I want to maintain a standard in Simutrans official logos, changing it to the smoke breaks it. ;) But I can give a try to show it here, but I still don't agree.
You say the white parallel lines in blueprint? ???
I''m gonna try, but I don't think it will be cool.

yeah, there's no need to actually do what I suggest. I just figured I might throw out some of my ideas for your own inspiration. :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: martin on September 15, 2010, 08:44:25 PM
First update for pakHD resized to 256 px wide and some little tweaking...
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 15, 2010, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: AEO on September 15, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
yeah, there's no need to actually do what I suggest. I just figured I might throw out some of my ideas for your own inspiration. :)
Course you can give your feedback, sorry if I looked rude :-[, but I just wanted to show my point of view. As you can see, both logos became great because of feedbacks like yours, I need to thank all the feedbacks given ;D.

Quote from: martin on September 15, 2010, 08:44:25 PM
First update for pakHD resized to 256 px wide and some little tweaking...
Hot, liked the new tree. Any possible update at pakHD in near future? ;D
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Francisco on September 16, 2010, 01:47:56 AM
About the nightly logo.....

I think some stars are a little "agressive" at that size, I'd reduce them a bit :)

Everything else is wonderful :) Keep the good work :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on September 16, 2010, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: martin on September 15, 2010, 08:44:25 PM
First update for pakHD resized to 256 px wide and some little tweaking...
Looks good. Just needs "pakHD" somewhere on it.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: MoTw on September 16, 2010, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: Francisco on September 16, 2010, 01:47:56 AM
About the nightly logo.....

I think some stars are a little "agressive" at that size, I'd reduce them a bit :)

Everything else is wonderful :) Keep the good work :)

/sign :) Those logos are incredible! I like them very much, all of them!
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Spike on September 17, 2010, 08:11:19 AM
Quote from: An_dz on September 15, 2010, 12:16:50 AM
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8028/simutransexperimental30.png)

I like this version. The blueprint idea looks good to me, too.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 17, 2010, 07:42:34 PM
Quote from: Francisco on September 16, 2010, 01:47:56 AM
About the nightly logo.....

I think some stars are a little "agressive" at that size, I'd reduce them a bit :)
I don't think so, that's what I think.
But I will try do all requests and post them here today.

EDIT: Oh, I didn't understood at first time, read too fast, You're right, the stars are too big near others, it's cause I tried to maintain the real size of the star (viewing from earth). But some are really too huge.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: DirrrtyDirk on September 17, 2010, 10:45:46 PM
Anway, these are all really nice logos! You did a great job there!
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 18, 2010, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: Francisco on September 16, 2010, 01:47:56 AM
I think some stars are a little "agressive" at that size, I'd reduce them a bit :)
Reduced it by 80% in version 3.B and 3.C, the versions that more people commented.
Version 3.1B
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8131/simutransnightly31b.png)
Version 3.1C
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6131/simutransnightly31c.png)

I'll wait some feedback to see if I change the actual version from 3.C to one of those.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: jamespetts on September 18, 2010, 09:10:39 PM
I do like that nightly logo. One small comment if I may: the stars would look better, I think, not as bright white, but the same off-white colour as the moon or even the trail from the locomotive headlamp. The contrast with the background is at present higher with the stars than with anything else, making the stars appear unduly prominent.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on September 19, 2010, 12:23:11 AM
They do look much better at reduced size, I think.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 19, 2010, 10:49:47 PM
Quote from: jamespetts on September 18, 2010, 09:10:39 PM
I do like that nightly logo. One small comment if I may: the stars would look better, I think, not as bright white, but the same off-white colour as the moon or even the trail from the locomotive headlamp. The contrast with the background is at present higher with the stars than with anything else, making the stars appear unduly prominent.
Ok, but... they are with the same color.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Spike on September 20, 2010, 08:07:03 AM
Quote from: An_dz on September 19, 2010, 10:49:47 PM
Ok, but... they are with the same color.

Human vision interprets colors differently if enclosed by different colors. You may need to adapt the color to look the same way, even if technically it's the same color.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 20, 2010, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: Hajo on September 20, 2010, 08:07:03 AM
Human vision interprets colors differently if enclosed by different colors. You may need to adapt the color to look the same way, even if technically it's the same color.
So we have a big problem here, my eyes :o see the same color. But I'm gonna do a more yellow stars and train light. ;D
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on September 21, 2010, 12:18:18 AM
Quote from: An_dz on September 20, 2010, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: Hajo on September 20, 2010, 08:07:03 AM
Human vision interprets colors differently if enclosed by different colors. You may need to adapt the color to look the same way, even if technically it's the same color.
So we have a big problem here, my eyes :o see the same color. But I'm gonna do a more yellow stars and train light. ;D
I gave a more yellow color for the stars and set the same color for the train light:
Guys I wanna know which version you liked the most from all versions.
Version 3.2B
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8012/simutransnightly32b.png)
Version 3.2C
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9704/simutransnightly32c.png)

PS.:Michael, I'm already working in a pak192.comic logo, i got a good idea, but I want to know: there's no map editor tool on pak192.comic?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: ӔO on September 21, 2010, 01:46:39 AM
I think I like 3.2c the most.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on October 09, 2010, 04:54:01 PM
I did some tests with the logos in the executables of Simutrans, I took lots of pics, take a look how they look in Windows 7. (Click over image to bigger size)

Running Game
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9067/simutranstaskrun.th.png) (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9067/simutranstaskrun.png) (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/639/simutransnightlytaskrun.th.jpg) (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/639/simutransnightlytaskrun.jpg) (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2756/simutransexptaskrun.th.jpg) (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2756/simutransexptaskrun.jpg)

Simutrans Folder (Comparing with original file)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4007/simutransfolder.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4007/simutransfolder.jpg) (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9413/simutransnightlyfolder.th.jpg) (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9413/simutransnightlyfolder.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/916/simutransexperimentalfo.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/916/simutransexperimentalfo.jpg)

Game Folder (Vista/Win7)
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/460/simutransgamemenu.th.jpg) (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/460/simutransgamemenu.jpg)

(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8053/simutransgamefoldermedi.th.png) (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8053/simutransgamefoldermedi.png) (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6733/simutransgamefolderbig.th.png) (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6733/simutransgamefolderbig.png) (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6710/simutransgamefolderlarg.th.jpg) (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6710/simutransgamefolderlarg.jpg)

An_dz's ImageShack Account (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/an_dz/)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: vilvoh on October 11, 2010, 07:16:56 AM
All logos are really good, but imho the experimental one makes a lot of contrast, with the black background and the white words.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Václav on October 21, 2010, 08:19:37 PM
Vilvoh: of course, I only would like to know this: constellation close to tree is "Southern cross" (Crux) but I would like to know what constellation is that other one.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: isidoro on October 21, 2010, 11:44:01 PM
It looks like Ursa minor (small bear).  The star at the tail is Polaris.  It nowadays indicates the location of the North Pole and thus can be used to know where the north is in the northern hemisphere.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on October 22, 2010, 01:16:38 AM
Quote from: VaclavMacurek on October 21, 2010, 08:19:37 PM
Vilvoh: of course, I only would like to know this: constellation close to tree is "Southern cross" (Crux) but I would like to know what constellation is that other one.
Czech republic is not in north hemisphere? :D Just like isidoro told, it's ursa minor. You can see my explanation on this post (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=5918.msg57276#msg57276) i wrote some time ago.
Quote from: isidoro on October 21, 2010, 11:44:01 PM
It nowadays indicates the location of the North Pole...
Nowadays? I thought it always pointed to north. Oh, no, there was a time that it pointed to south pole 2 trillions of year ago. ;D ;D

And I'll change the blue to a lighter one.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Combuijs on October 22, 2010, 09:02:14 AM
QuoteNowadays? I thought it always pointed to north

No, 3000 years ago it was slightly off north and in 3000 years it will be slightly off again. In a few 1000 years another star might point to the north. Just be patient  ;) .
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Václav on October 22, 2010, 09:09:00 AM
Quote from: isidoro on October 21, 2010, 11:44:01 PM
It looks like Ursa minor (small bear).  The star at the tail is Polaris.  It nowadays indicates the location of the North Pole and thus can be used to know where the north is in the northern hemisphere.
Ohh... I am sorry... but it is seen on night sky partly different from location of my house - like on (very simplified) attached picture
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on October 23, 2010, 02:25:40 AM
Well I made Ursa just like I saw in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursa_minor), I tried to copy the size of them. Anyway I can try make a slight move in it.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Václav on October 23, 2010, 08:04:29 AM
An_dz: It may be OK like it is on Wikipedia - because from different place (meant mostly different equator - Prague is about on the 50th equator) it can be seen different.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: isidoro on October 24, 2010, 12:14:07 AM
In fact the constellation rotates around its tail once every day (aprox.) and once every year (if you take a picture from whatever location from where it can be seen every day at 23:00 o'clock, it will do a whole rotation in one year).
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 11, 2010, 01:15:38 AM
Quote from: vilvoh on October 11, 2010, 07:16:56 AM
All logos are really good, but imho the experimental one makes a lot of contrast, with the black background and the white words.
I reduced a little the dark blue to reduce a bit the contrast, what you guys think?
(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4794/simutransexperimental31.png)

Being a little boring: Are prissi, Dwachs or jamespett thinking about using my logo? ;D ;D

Updated first post with this version and updated the download link
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: prissi on November 11, 2010, 09:44:03 AM
How to use? The program cannot display a logo, only the pakset can. And the nightly logo needs to be included by werniman.

Or are we talking about something different?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sojo on November 11, 2010, 01:28:37 PM
Can you try to make a comic-version from the logo too?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 11, 2010, 03:31:58 PM
Quote from: prissi on November 11, 2010, 09:44:03 AM
How to use?
Or are we talking about something different?
I'm talking about the icon file, on my own Simutrans compiles I use my logo. I was thinking about if you already testing it. You can download already made icons, PNG's and also the vetor SVG's on my first post.
Werniman is the nightly page maintainer?

Quote from: sojo on November 11, 2010, 01:28:37 PM
Can you try to make a comic-version from the logo too?
Course, right now I'm doing a pak192.comic logo for Cruzer. I'm creating 3 options, one that can be used on both comic paks and the other 2 more pakset independent, I will give a break in pak192.comic logo and gonna modify the official logo to look like comic so I can finish 2 logos.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: prissi on November 11, 2010, 04:59:57 PM
The only acceptable icon size at the moment is 16x16 (and 48x48), since large icons are only supported for Vista and up. Moreover, the icon needs to be quadratic and 256 colors (or I cannot built it with standard tools).

Therefore, I cannot supply the icon with simutrans, so that it will be used at the right place on all windows versions.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 11, 2010, 05:24:19 PM
Well, my Visual Studio is installed on XP and using my icon it works OK, I also copied the file to a Vista and Win7 and the only difference is that now I can see the 256x256 and 128x128 icons. The XP PC is also in 16 bits color and I still can see the icons.

What's the problem you're trying to tell me? All the icons have a 256x256, 128x128, 48x48, 32x32 and 16x16 inside so compatibility is full for all versions.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: VS on November 11, 2010, 05:51:52 PM
Program icon is just the first icon found in program resources (maybe with special name). You can link it like another resource, perhaps even after normal linking. Depends a lot on what "standard tools" is for you... But unless your tool seriously wants to outsmart you, there will be a number of simple ways around that. Of course, the question is if you want to spend time going around then :)

PS: http://www.mingw.org/wiki/MS_resource_compiler but you can ignore the FUD about not working with .res

PPS: this is a definitive guide and very simple too: http://www.daniweb.com/forums/post676586.html#post676586
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: prissi on November 11, 2010, 09:49:59 PM
This is not try. ICO will be selected on color depth and size. I just repeated the informations from MSDN on which sizes XP will use ... ok, I will try ICO with higher resolution.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on November 11, 2010, 11:32:33 PM
quite impressive logos!

one major gripe with the nightly logo though. If it's not supposed to be the earths shadow on the moon, a 3/4 full moon looks quite different:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3036/3025596013_f6dff7454e_z.jpg)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandeepak/3025596013/
Desaturating the tree might also make the logo look more nightly. It looked fine enough without any stars at all. They're a bit too symbolic, but what should they symbol, but night?


I think the second experimental logo to be the best. I don't think it should be worried about confusing it with pak HD, that's distinctive enough. The blue background and the lines seems to me a bit overloaded, too clean for actual blueprint paper and not really bringing the message, unless you know it.

Having a simutrans logo implemented, before the pak logo will have too positive effects: Firstly new players will be immediately aware if they play a nightly version. (e.g. when supporting we can just ask them what colour their logo has) Players will be more aware that paksets are modules for simutrans, and can be replaced. It also looks cool :-)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 12, 2010, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: sdog on November 11, 2010, 11:32:33 PM
one major gripe with the nightly logo though. If it's not supposed to be the earths shadow on the moon, a 3/4 full moon looks quite different:
First:
Did you though about if the shadow can be different for this factors: global position, time of day, season? If you go on wikipedia|Lunar Phase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase) you can read on the second line:
Quote from: wikipedia
The lunar phases vary cyclically as the Moon orbits the Earth, according to the changing relative positions of the Earth, Moon and Sun.

I also found out that the truth is that it's not a quarter moon, but a Earthshine effect, there's a image very similar in wikipedia|Earthshine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthshine).

And second:
As I also told some posts ago, it's a logo, it needs to look cool not realistic. Some example:
Windows logo, it's the brightness coming from a window with 4 different color glasses. The space between them are equal and we all know that it's quite impossible, since the red light have a lower frequency then blue, making white light when getting into a different material doing red have a slightly different refraction than blue.

Turkey flag have a moon with a small circle inside that we can call a 'shadow' and it's impossible moon have such a small shadow circle inside it. The only way to happen this is looking from moon to earth, so moon shadow can make this effect on earth.

For Christians a white skin Jesus is crucified on His hands, and the reality is that probably He was crucified on His wrist, otherwise the hands will be cut and He will fall on the floor before death. And a white Jesus in middle east is nearly impossible, He probably had light brown skin like middle east people. Nobody in medieval era was going to kill the middle east people to conquer Jerusalem if they look-like Jesus.

Logos are logos, if looking for reality what about buying a train put it on a place with grass wait to get night and moon appear on a cool place, pray to not rain and take a pic? That way the reality is 100%

PS.:Don't want to look rude but we all know that the logo need to be cool. Nobody told Enzo that the horse muscle is not right or that the horse hair is wrong from reality on his logo.

Quote from: sdog on November 11, 2010, 11:32:33 PM
Desaturating the tree might also make the logo look more nightly.
Good suggestion I'll be doing it until end of day.

Quote from: sdog on November 11, 2010, 11:32:33 PM
I think the second experimental logo to be the best. I don't think it should be worried about confusing it with pak HD, that's distinctive enough.
I think now we can't use it anymore, the Experimental Logo version 2 now is the logo for pakHD, download version 0.4 and you'll see.

And at least someone talked about the Experimental version 3.0 and 3.1. But I still want to know which one is better.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on November 13, 2010, 12:01:09 AM
Sorry An_dz, i did not want to sound unthankfull or overcritical. I am also quite aware that a logo does not have to be very accurate or realistic. The earthshine is also quite nice. It's just that the moon terminator has a completely different form and makes the moon a bit unrecognizable. The dark part of the moon has positive curvature (convex) in a lunar eclipse. It has negative curvature (concave) for a more than half full moon.

Don't forget the moon phases are not comming from the earths shadow on the moon, but from moon's night side not facing the sun.

The stylized moon for example in the turkish flag works, even if it is not physically accurate, because it is a small crescent shaped moon. The curvature of the terminator/occlusion shadow is the same. (i'm pretty sure the turkish flag shows a crescent moon, and not a almost total lunar eclipse, correct me if i am wrong.)

So again, i don't want to be overly critical, or demanding on physically highly accurate modeling. I only want to give an suggestion to get a very good Logo even better.


quite love your second try for the experimental logo, no wonder pak HD nicked it ;-)

The last experimental logo is i think the better one. but i'm not good to judge it as i don't like it a lot, it hasn't the clarity and power of your idea.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: isidoro on November 13, 2010, 12:09:19 AM
An_dz, maybe it is just the combination of earthshine (realistic) and unrealistic shadow (a realistic one always goes from north pole to south pole) that seems strange (and therefore not so cool) to some of us.

And also, I wouldn't call the image of Christ "a logo" and it is not the best of examples I can think of, but I get your point.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 13, 2010, 12:44:32 AM
Don't worry I just wanted to point my view of the logo. When creating the moon I spent some hours until it looks cool, and that was the best I could do.

You said that the moon is unrecognizable. But when I tried to create the negative curvature it don't look cool, only if I add Earthligth effect it looks a bit better, but not there.

Quote from: isidoro on November 13, 2010, 12:09:19 AM
...(a realistic one always goes from north pole to south pole)...
That just completes what I'm talking above, the moon looks so strange that way. I can create the moon in 5 ways: full moon, realistic full moon(where there's a little part in shadow), first quarter, last quarter and new moon(not total new moon, but a ending last quarter).
What are the problem: last quarter and almost new moon make the moon almost invisible, there's too much dark side.
Full moon(realistic) look too strange you need to force the imagination to see that it's a moon. It looks more like a drawing error than anything.
The only option stay at first quarter moon, but it looks a little too much dark side, but less looks a little strange. That's the point.

But your commentary was important for a new change, now I rotated the moon a little and now it's really better, also desaturated the tree, What you think: (Everybody can comment too)
Version 3.3B
(http://a.imageshack.us/img163/7919/simutransnightly33b.png)

Version 3.3C
(http://a.imageshack.us/img59/4397/simutransnightly33c.png)

Quote from: sdog on November 13, 2010, 12:01:09 AM
Don't forget the moon phases are not comming from the earths shadow on the moon, but from moon's night side not facing the sun.
Don't worry I will remember.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: isidoro on November 15, 2010, 02:25:26 AM
I like the changes of this version.  I specially like the first of the two.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Qayyum on November 15, 2010, 03:36:03 AM
To be honest, I never like Simutrans-Nightly logo. Somehow this white light thingy turned me off. Would be nice to change the colour into orange colour to suggest that it is sunset.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 15, 2010, 11:01:42 PM
There's nothing wrong, it's the lights of a distant city.

All right, I'm lying. ;D

Do you believe I never though about that? It's cause I only changed the blue color from the official logo to purple. Compare and you'll see.

New Logos:
New version 1.1 for Official Logo, the tree was moved down a little.
Version 1.1
(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4808/simutrans11.png)

Versions 3.4 for Nightly logo the tree was also moved and the white color Qayyum said is removed.
Version 3.4B
(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/670/simutransnightly34b.png)

Version 3.4C
(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4209/simutransnightly34c.png)

What you prefer guys 3.3 or 3.4?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on November 16, 2010, 07:53:00 PM
I like the newest versions of Official and Nightly. Not sure which of the Nightly logos I like better, but I don't use that version.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 16, 2010, 11:17:45 PM
Quote from: skreyola on November 16, 2010, 07:53:00 PM
...but I don't use that version.
Sorry, I didn't understood.

And thanks for the feedback on the new versions.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on November 17, 2010, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: An_dz on November 16, 2010, 11:17:45 PM
Sorry, I didn't understood.

And thanks for the feedback on the new versions.
I don't play Nightly.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 18, 2010, 12:49:57 AM
Hi all I've created a logo for pak96.HD2 here it is:
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4805/simutranspak96hd210.png)

Download link (http://www.4shared.com/file/BuFsag7z/pakHDHighTech.html) for PNG and SVG for this project
Also added to first post.

Still working in pak.comic version
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Nico192 on November 18, 2010, 03:07:27 PM
This is nice!
One thing: I changed pak96.HD into pakHD.HighTech, its similar to pak.Excentrique.
There are things like Bananahouse or Cheeseoffice.
So I beg you to change the "pak96.HD2" letters into "pakHD.HighTech".
The rest is perfect!

Thank you!
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 18, 2010, 06:07:46 PM
OK I changed the name and also made some changes, the train now don't have the 'help draw' lines and now have a sketch effect on it's border.

You can download the HiDef PNG and SVG on same link above (or the one in first post). The file have the PNG and SVG for Version 1.0 and 2.0 and also the already made big-logo for use in pak.

Version 1.1
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5244/pakhdhightech20.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Nico192 on November 19, 2010, 02:47:23 PM
Thanks!
I will use it in the pakset.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: jap train fan on December 02, 2010, 05:46:01 AM
wow the logos are really good
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on June 06, 2011, 04:55:10 PM
@An_dz, i'll use your "simutrans experimental" logo for the blog posting of experimental's new release.

edit: I think the rounded form does not do very well besided a text, also the blue background is a bit strong on the light ocre backdrop. An_dz would you mind to mail me your inkscape file, so i could modify the logo for the blog? (Unless you would like to do it yourself of course.)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on June 07, 2011, 05:01:05 PM
I don't know what changes you want, and I'm out of time.
The download link is in first post under Download
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on June 07, 2011, 07:28:52 PM
Thanks, haven't seen you put download links for the graphics produced later on there. I'll have a look into it in the next couple of days.




here's my makeshift modification of the simutrans experimental logo for the blog. I used the ISO font used in technical drawings and put that ugly black frame of such drawings around the image. The name of the free font is ISOCPEUR.
(http://blog.simutrans.com/wp-content/uploads/simuexp98logo.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: skreyola on June 21, 2011, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: sdog on June 07, 2011, 07:28:52 PM
here's my makeshift modification of the simutrans experimental logo for the blog. I used the ISO font used in technical drawings and put that ugly black frame of such drawings around the image. The name of the free font is ISOCPEUR.
(http://blog.simutrans.com/wp-content/uploads/simuexp98logo.png)
I love it. This logo looks great for ST:E
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on June 21, 2011, 05:14:38 PM
Quote from: sdog on June 07, 2011, 07:28:52 PM
here's my makeshift modification of the simutrans experimental logo for the blog. I used the ISO font used in technical drawings and put that ugly black frame of such drawings around the image. The name of the free font is ISOCPEUR.
(http://blog.simutrans.com/wp-content/uploads/simuexp98logo.png)

I just want to show with Simutrans text using the font I used over all other logos:
(http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5918.0;attach=15701)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on June 21, 2011, 06:29:42 PM
Thanks An_dz, i only noticed that 'Simutrans' was shifted after publishing it. The new heavier font you used looks quite better. Will use it for the next release 9.9
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on August 16, 2011, 02:18:00 AM
pak192.Comic Logo. Cruzer asked it quite long time ago, but only now I'm releasing a first version for public. (Cruzer saw a first look of i
it).

Sorry, but no SVG for it.

(http://i.imgur.com/dQQ9Sjq.png)
Version 1.0

EDIT:
Sojo told once to create a comic version of official logo. I did it, but I don't liked it.
Sojo and Cruzer, or any other comic artist can give any color ideas for the logo.
(http://i.imgur.com/TzHiBGJ.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: vilvoh on August 16, 2011, 07:24:48 AM
The pak192.comic logo looks good although I would remove the tree at the front between the one and the nine. The pak96.comic seems too yellow for me.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sojo on August 16, 2011, 12:12:59 PM
Really clean and colored the comic one. But it have a high recognition. So I like it. Have you a svg for me?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on August 16, 2011, 12:59:52 PM
Course sojo, here's (http://www.4shared.com/file/28JEKNfU/Simutrans_Comic_Logo.html) the link. I know you'll find the right colors.

Thanks for feedback.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on December 21, 2011, 02:43:50 AM
Reviving the topic with a new addition:
PAK128.CS

VaclavMacurek asked me, quite long time ago (August to be exact), to create a logo for the Pak128.CS, it was almost finished since September, but I got busy and couldn't think on what I should do to polish it. But now it's done.

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5728/pak128cs.png)

As you can see, the tree and the train were changed. The train is Class 150, it operates in both Slovakia and Czech Republic, the paint job show both flags unified as one. The tree is a lime that, as Vaclav told me, is a national tree. In truth I'm thinking to change the tree to make it look more like the lime Vaclav sent me.

@Vaclav and the Czech Community:
Sorry for the long delay. And tell me if you want any changes. Consider as a X-mas gift. :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: VS on December 21, 2011, 09:35:37 AM
Wow! That's really beautiful...

Maybe I'm repeating myself, but you might want to render/save/show these logos on black, since that's how they will be in game. Doing the black background already in your editor allows antialiasing the image/black border, which will otherwise look.... less optimal :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on December 21, 2011, 01:26:13 PM
Here's the black background version VS,
and the download link to the SVG, big PNG, and the optimized black background PNG (256x256 24bits PNG).

(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9974/pak128csblackbg.png)

Download sources (http://www.4shared.com/zip/AE5D7uV_/Pak128CS.html)

Small note: All downloads, for all logos, are now ZIP.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: prissi on December 21, 2011, 02:48:23 PM
The black background can be transparent, as this woudl save a lot of image size in the pak file. But that could be cured by a pixel fill, while still retaining aliasing.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: VS on December 21, 2011, 04:05:19 PM
Absolutely yes, but not possible in previous state :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Emil Sawicki on January 02, 2012, 04:48:07 PM
An_dz, don't you think locomotive is too long? Also I like this logo, it's very nice.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Václav on January 22, 2012, 12:26:54 PM
Emil, you are right that it seems too long but if you would observe any train in few angles (and it will go very fast), then train would really look much longer than it is.

An_dz, at first glance there are two things that are at least strange:
- class 150 is electric, so at least electricity receiver should be in picture too (else it looks quite odd)
- view deformation of front side is really strange - because it becomes higher as it goes to backward; but I am not sure if it is right or not; perspective should cause that front side becomes lower as it goes to backward - a little
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on January 24, 2012, 02:04:00 PM
I'll add the electrical receiver and also the powerlines.
I'll work better in the front. And it just looks higher, but it's the same height. The gradient gives this feeling.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Ashley on February 27, 2012, 12:11:16 AM
An_dz - I was wondering, would it be possible for you to create a version of the Simutrans logo which is fairly square and omits the Simutrans name? I need an icon for the new Mac distribution I am working on. Something around 512x512 (or indeed, a vector graphic which scales nicely to this kind of size). If you could make it look nice and Mac-icon-like that'd be a bonus :)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on February 27, 2012, 02:11:45 AM
i should be intereted in that too, the round logo does look a bit awkward on the google plus page.

the simutrans text should be below though It can be rectangular, higher than wide, so it could just go below the square logo Timothyh requested, if that looks good. (adding something below a square is always a bit tricky)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on February 27, 2012, 03:02:17 AM
Sure Timolthy, It'll be somewhat difficult, I need to keep the idea, not totally destroying the original concept.

By the way I've created the iPhone/iPad app icon and the Launch image for it. I still need to create the App Store icon, but since you're requesting a square icon you might use it.

Here's the download link for the icons and Lauch image:
Download (http://www.4shared.com/zip/DShz3UQC/AppStoreSimutrans.html)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Ashley on February 27, 2012, 09:07:01 AM
Those look good :) I had in mind something like the current favicon used with the forum, and with the game executables, but bigger and more 3D. I am really no good with this kind of graphical design, it took me ages to do the TileCutter icons, so I will leave the creativity up to you :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on February 27, 2012, 02:41:53 PM
The new Pak128.CS logo, now with powerlines, and other few tweaks in gradients, colors, layer orders and others...
It doesn't look empty anymore.

(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5728/pak128cs.png)

The download for SVG, PNG and optimized PNG(black background 256x256 24bits) is in first post.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Václav on February 27, 2012, 06:05:14 PM
Thanks. Now it is really better. But still, electricity receivers are wrong positioned. Back one is positioned right, but not front one. Both receivers are positioned in mirror orientation - like on following photo:
(http://www.zelpage.cz/fotogalerie/big/150081.jpg)

So, please turn front receiver ... and it may be disabled - like on following photo:
(http://www.zelpage.cz/fotogalerie/big/150132.jpg)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on February 27, 2012, 10:07:46 PM
Done. It's still same version number:
(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7520/pak128cs11.png)
-----

By the way, I've done some pakBrasil logos. We already discussed some of them on the PT forum.

Version 1.0:
Just the official logo changed to match the Brazilian Flag
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1983/pakbrasil.png)

Version 1.1:
The Brazilian flag with Ipê tree (Trumpet Tree) genre Tabepuia
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1983/pakbrasil.png)

Version 1.1b:
Alternative version using an idea from IgorEliezer, using the Cristo Redentor
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7568/pakbrasilcristo.png)

Version 1.2:
Joining both versions 1.1
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6848/pakbrasilcristoipe.png)

Version 1.3:
Enlarged the Cristo and the Ipês
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5758/pakbrasilcristoipe11.png)

Version 1.3b:
One alternative version without the yellow and green part, since some people said that that the hard edges don't look so good.
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8922/pakbrasilcristoipenb.png)

Version 2.0:
Made a version more stylish.
(http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/8729/pakbrasilcristoipe20.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Václav on February 28, 2012, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: An_dz on February 27, 2012, 10:07:46 PM
Done. It's still same version number:
(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7520/pak128cs11.png)
An_dz, please, supersede electricity receivers - shape of front one (as is now) should be on back one - and shape of back one should be on front one.

Shape you used is shape of class 350,
(http://www.zelpage.cz/fotogalerie/big/350863.jpg)
(http://www.zelpage.cz/fotogalerie/big/350777.jpg)
(http://www.zelpage.cz/fotogalerie/big/350539.jpg)

locomotive that is very closely similar to class 150 (next photo with activated both receivers)
(http://www.zelpage.cz/fotogalerie/big/151938.jpg)
and the same one from side
(http://www.zelpage.cz/fotogalerie/big/151484.jpg)

It is not true mistake but ... You wrote you used class 150, not class 350. By the way, I found that class 350 is only one locomotive with this arrangement of (modern) receivers.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on February 28, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
Is this right now?
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4283/pak128cs11m.png)

Edit: I just want to share the iPhone Lauch Image. What do you think? The game looks nice if starting with this image?
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9563/iphonesimutrans.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Václav on February 28, 2012, 03:52:16 PM
Yes. Now it is right.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: prissi on February 28, 2012, 09:08:08 PM
The iPhone image is nice ... we just need a more current iPhone simutrans version now ;)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Ashley on February 28, 2012, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: prissi on February 28, 2012, 09:08:08 PM
The iPhone image is nice ... we just need a more current iPhone simutrans version now ;)

Working on it!

I like the launch image, all we need now is an iPhone app icon, and a Mac App icon (the latter more urgently I think).
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sojo on February 29, 2012, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Timothy on February 28, 2012, 09:45:25 PM
I like the launch image, all we need now is an iPhone app icon, and a Mac App icon (the latter more urgently I think).
Which size do you (it) need?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on February 29, 2012, 02:18:18 PM
From my knowledge Mac Lion now can handle icons up to 1024x1024, that I see no reason to have an icon this big. Anyway a vector file is enough.

I still need to create the iPad Lauch screen that's 1024x768, but it's easy and not so important now. The iPhone and iPad icons need around 3 sizes, 114x114, 57x57 and 512x512. But those icons are cut by Apple to make the radius around the square.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Ashley on February 29, 2012, 02:23:15 PM
512x512 for the Mac icon should be fine, it will scale down nicely. Bigger icons are for the forthcoming HiDPI modes which will come in the next couple of years (and if it's a vector image then there won't be any issues). The main graphical constraint for the Mac icon is that it should be slightly 3D, like other icons on the Mac. (There are guidelines here (https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/IconsImages/IconsImages.html)).

Make the iPad launch screen 2048x1536... iPad 3 announcement is just around the corner and I have a hunch that it'll have a screen at that resolution :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on March 01, 2012, 01:33:25 AM
Quote from: An_dz on February 27, 2012, 03:02:17 AM
It'll be somewhat difficult, I need to keep the idea, not totally destroying the original concept.
Quote from: Timothy on February 27, 2012, 09:07:01 AM
I had in mind something like the current favicon used with the forum, and with the game executables, but bigger and more 3D.
My creativity ended, think I'll have to keep with the favicon idea. None of my ideas would fit nice, most conflicted with the few objects in the logo.
I've done something so far, I need to add more effects to look 3D.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on March 05, 2012, 02:00:10 AM
I need your help, what should I do here to make this look more 3D?
(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9914/simutranssquare10.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sojo on March 05, 2012, 11:26:58 AM
The smoke could be more 3d. A bit white and a bit darker grey.

But it looks very well. :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on March 10, 2012, 10:00:55 PM
I guess it's done.

(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9914/simutranssquare10.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Ashley on March 10, 2012, 10:17:22 PM
That looks good for the iOS icon :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on March 11, 2012, 05:28:28 AM
Here's a Mac icon. Almost square. I got inspired with my latest pakBrazil logo.
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2015/simutransmac10.png)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sojo on March 11, 2012, 08:59:56 AM
Both are really good. +1 :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Isaac Eiland-Hall on March 12, 2012, 02:33:49 AM
Yes, very very nice! :D
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Ashley on March 19, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: An_dz on March 11, 2012, 05:28:28 AM
Here's a Mac icon. Almost square. I got inspired with my latest pakBrazil logo.
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2015/simutransmac10.png)

Any chance you could post a 512x512 pixel version? :)


Edit: And having tried this out on the Mac, if you could make it taller, e.g. more square, it'd really help! :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Spike on March 21, 2012, 09:55:50 AM
Does someone have a copy of the old Simutrans logo from Seth. C. Triggs? I seem to have lost it ...
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on March 21, 2012, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: Timothy on March 19, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
Edit: And having tried this out on the Mac, if you could make it taller, e.g. more square, it'd really help! :)
Here's a perfect squared:
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2015/simutransmac10.png)

I'll post the sources in a few hours.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Ashley on March 21, 2012, 03:52:11 PM
I wonder, what would it look like without the blue sky background?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on March 21, 2012, 06:40:26 PM
It looks better:
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2015/simutransmac10.png)

Edit:
Download links:
Mac (http://www.4shared.com/zip/TMxSPeu3/file.html)
iOS (http://www.4shared.com/zip/9fuvqxoH/file.html)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Ashley on March 21, 2012, 07:01:53 PM
Yes, that looks a lot better :)

Edit: Though the tree seems to dominate it a bit now... Hm...
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on March 21, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
Here's a bigger loco:
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4264/simutransmac2.png)

I already updated the download with the new version.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Fabio on March 21, 2012, 11:16:31 PM
It looks *much* better! the skewed sky was a bit... out of place?
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 22, 2012, 03:36:50 AM
Quote from: Hans on March 21, 2012, 09:55:50 AM
Does someone have a copy of the old Simutrans logo from Seth. C. Triggs? I seem to have lost it ...
Is it a very old one with a blue loco, a write bus and a "SIMU" on top? It's in the SVN. But I could send you if you want. :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Spike on March 22, 2012, 09:36:10 AM
That sounds like the old program icon from Owen Rudge. Seth' logo was a big circle with a cross inside, and the four modes of transportation (air, water, road, rail) in the quadrants. The horizontal bar of the cross had "Simutrans" written in it. It was rather big, I'd guess around 500x500 pixels. I remember pastel yellow as color, but I thinkt here were four pastel hues for the whole logo.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 22, 2012, 12:11:38 PM
Like this one? http://www.webring.org/hub?ring=simutransring
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Spike on March 22, 2012, 01:16:14 PM
Yes, that's the one. I once had a color version in a fairly high resolution of that. Seth C. Triggs made it, and I have later made this grayscale, smaller version of it, also did the little 3D shading effect. Would be great to have the original again :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Ashley on March 22, 2012, 02:19:01 PM
One of these maybe?

http://entropy.me.uk/simutrans/graphics_archive/icon/
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 22, 2012, 11:48:40 PM
Dudes, look at what I found: http://svamcentral.org/simu/ (http://svamcentral.org/simu/)

/me echoes from the past.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Spike on March 23, 2012, 09:39:25 AM
Yes, that's it! Thanks a lot Igor, now I can finally continue my work to restore some of the old glory of Simutrans :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: An_dz on November 12, 2012, 09:34:16 PM
Just bumping to let everybody know that all logos are now under Artistic License 2.0.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on December 15, 2012, 12:59:00 AM
I'm using the new mac logo for the simutrans g+ community page. Looks excellent there. Here's an impression:
(http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5918.0;attach=20443;image)

perhaps i'll revisit it later and reduce size a little more, such that the tip of the tree doesn't prortude into the text.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: IgorEliezer on December 15, 2012, 01:09:01 AM
YAY!
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on December 15, 2012, 01:15:21 AM
Quote from: An_dz on February 28, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4283/pak128cs11m.png)
I like this excellent logo very much. One request and one remark:

Do you think this could be used as a non pak CS specific, general logo for simutrans? Means without the CS signee and the coat of arms. Perhaps with different train colour, perhaps with the same.

Question is also directed at the CS maintainers, since they might not like the their 'brand' logo watered down by other simutrans parts.

If yes it'd be quite nice to re-work this as a logo for the simutrans g+ page. The recent one is not too recognizeable as a small icon and as large 200^2 pix logo it lacks a bit in detail.

Remark, just a tiny detail. The tree seems to stand on the tracks, since it is behind the train, but in front of the catenary.

@mods, sorry for double posting, i thought it would be confusing to put it into the last post too.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Vladki on December 15, 2012, 05:08:27 PM
I'm not a maintainer so I won't say anything to other uses of this logo. Just that the engine appears to be too long (bad perspective). And the front pantograph collides visually with the electrification pole. For the colors, if used as non CS specific, I would suggest original green-yellow colors that gave this engine one of its nicknames - banana. See pictures here: http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lokomotiva_150
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on December 15, 2012, 08:41:06 PM
since the image would need to be square, reducing the length of the locomotive would be welcome. I looked at the 'banana' livery too, and liked it, it is a bit unusual.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Vladki on December 15, 2012, 09:42:56 PM
Well, it is not unusual for Czechoslovakia. Many czechoslovak electric engines built for 3kV DC used to have similar livery during 1970-80's and many of them still have it. E.g. http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lokomotiva_130
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: sdog on December 15, 2012, 11:40:26 PM
'unusual' was not a good choice of words, it's a colour scheme that stands out and is not very often seen on the net today.


I like it, i think i've seen it in czech children films likely made in the 70s or early 80s. (CS made some of the best children films/series when i was a child [Pan Tau, Chobotnice z II. patra, Krtek, etc])
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Mailaender on December 29, 2012, 12:10:36 AM
Nice designs. Using the squared SVG logo for openSUSE desktop menus now.
Title: Re: Simutrans Logos
Post by: Leartin on June 03, 2014, 03:36:14 AM
Pak192.comic goes quite the different way with it's new logo. Still, it fit's the bill :)
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/18/49/73/70/big_lo10.png)
Big Version.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/18/49/73/70/logo10.png)
Fitting 256x256