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Title: Rail platforms can be built on street tramways
Post by: jamespetts on June 06, 2022, 11:16:25 PM
I am reporting this here as I have noted this in the Bridgewater-Brunel game but cannot fix this now as I am staying away from home. 

The fix should be relatively simple, just checking that the line in question is not a tramway type when testing whether a rail platform can be built.
Title: Re: Rail platforms can be built on street tramways
Post by: jamespetts on June 12, 2022, 10:30:58 AM
This has now been fixed for the next nightly build.
Title: Re: Rail platforms can be built on street tramways
Post by: VOLVO on June 14, 2022, 09:03:46 PM
Platform on street tramways should be allowed as in Manchester there are multiple street high floor tramway platforms on public roads such as Edge Lane stop and Droylsden stop.
Title: Re: Rail platforms can be built on street tramways
Post by: jamespetts on June 14, 2022, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: VOLVO on June 14, 2022, 09:03:46 PMPlatform on street tramways should be allowed as in Manchester there are multiple street high floor tramway platforms on public roads such as Edge Lane stop and Droylsden stop.
But those are not ordinary railway platforms that block the whole road: they are special tramway platforms. Such platforms should be encoded as a road stop, not a railway station.
Title: Re: Rail platforms can be built on street tramways
Post by: Matthew on June 15, 2022, 02:58:45 AM
Quote from: jamespetts on June 14, 2022, 11:49:56 PMBut those are not ordinary railway platforms that block the whole road: they are special tramway platforms. Such platforms should be encoded as a road stop, not a railway station.


That is a fair description of Droylsden and Edge Lane. But St Peter's Square tram stop, also in Manchester, has tramway platforms that block the whole road:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/St_Peter%27s_Square_tram_stop%2C_Feb_18_%283%29.jpg/1280px-St_Peter%27s_Square_tram_stop%2C_Feb_18_%283%29.jpg)

I  don't think this is a big deal at all,  but I lean towards the view that this and some other Metrolink stops would best be represented by a rail platform.

(Picture credit: 'St Peter's Square tram stop, Feb 18 (3).jpg', Wikipedia/G-13114 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Peter%27s_Square_tram_stop#/media/File:St_Peter's_Square_tram_stop,_Feb_18_(3).jpg), CC BY-SA 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0))
Title: Re: Rail platforms can be built on street tramways
Post by: jamespetts on June 15, 2022, 11:04:00 AM
This would appear to be a tram exclusive area: allowing building rail platforms on tramways in Simutrans simply allowed platforms from a main line railway to be built in the middle of the road, which was obviously wrong. To simulate the above, there would have to be a whole new layer of simulating tramway specific stops and tramway exclusive roads, and it is doubtful that doing so would add anything of substance (as opposed to cosmetically) compared to having either standard shared use street tramways or standard off-street tramways represented by railway lines, on which railway platforms can be built.
Title: Re: Rail platforms can be built on street tramways
Post by: prissi on June 15, 2022, 02:22:50 PM
In Standard normal platforms are allowed for tram track off road (which represents liek grass tracl in real life).
Title: Re: Rail platforms can be built on street tramways
Post by: jamespetts on June 16, 2022, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: prissi on June 15, 2022, 02:22:50 PMIn Standard normal platforms are allowed for tram track off road (which represents liek grass tracl in real life).
That does make sense. Extended does not allow tram track off-road, so this distinction is not necessary in Extended.