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PakSets and Customization => Pak128 => Topic started by: jamespetts on December 16, 2008, 11:56:38 PM

Title: No road depot < 1900 in Pak128 nightly/alpha
Post by: jamespetts on December 16, 2008, 11:56:38 PM
For some reason, there does not appear to be any road vehicle depot available in the 19th century for Pak128, either in the latest nightly build, or the standard "alpha" version released to be compatible with 100.0. There was a road depot in the 19th century in the Pak128 that came with version 99.17, and there are a good number of 19th century vehicles in pak128 that would go with a road depot, so its omission seems accidental (especially as there is a tram depot available in the 1880s!). This does, of course, make it very difficult for players to do much of anything before 1900 with passengers, since passenger transport inevitably requires 'busses.
Title: Re: No road depot < 1900 in Pak128 nightly/alpha
Post by: DirrrtyDirk on December 17, 2008, 12:22:21 AM
Well, IIRC the official recommended starting year for pak128 has always been 1930 - no earlier. And I don't remember that having changed. So there's no guarantee for any time earlier than that, to have all parts required to play with available (on activated timeline) - even when there might be a couple of things with an earlier intro date.

We could work over the pak and make sure we get everything working for an earlier starting year, but as long as that isn't done, 1930 remains the official starting year - so any year before that isn't really supported and therefore should only be used at your own risk/discretion.

So unless it is decided to move the offcially supported starting year to an earlier year, I don't see much need for repairing any pre-1930 intro dates. If that is changed however, then the intro dates of all basic elements need to be checked and verified against the new offcial starting year.
Title: Re: No road depot < 1900 in Pak128 nightly/alpha
Post by: jbode on December 17, 2008, 12:30:58 AM
maybe there had been some horse carriages ... Please don't forget the pak had been cleared from objects with no proper copyright definition. That way some "beloved" items can get lost ...
Title: Re: No road depot < 1900 in Pak128 nightly/alpha
Post by: VS on December 17, 2008, 09:27:57 AM
It hasn't been cleaned yet. After balancing (hopefully it will ever end!) I want to do another normal release, and then start kicking things.

There were horses for some time, but I can't remember if that was even version with numbers. If you are interested, I'll put the sources somewhere (that author did agree with license) and you can have some fun :D

What Dirk said is true: before 1930, nothing is guaranteed. That said, shifting date back for depot does not certainly hurt, either.

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Just wait a minute - what are you saying? The dates are different:

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# 04.07.2008 change FrankP
#      - add type and waytype ; Simutrans 0.100.0 / makeobj 49
#
#


#-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
#                                   Depots
#
#-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Obj=building
Name=TrainDepot
copyright=MHz
type=depot
waytype=track
# must be 1*1
Dims=1,1,4
NoInfo=1
intro_year = 1810
icon=> ../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.1.2
cursor=../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.1.3
FrontImage[0][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.0.0
FrontImage[1][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.0.1
FrontImage[2][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.0.2
FrontImage[3][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.0.3
BackImage[0][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.1.0
BackImage[1][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.1.1
#BackImage[2][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.1.2
#BackImage[3][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-rail_2-128.1.3

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Obj=building
Name=TramDepot
copyright=MHz
type=depot
waytype=tram_track
# must be 1*1
Dims=1,1,4
NoInfo=1
intro_year = 1852
intro_month = 1
icon=> ../images/player-depot-tram_0-128.1.1
cursor=../images/player-depot-tram_0-128.1.2
FrontImage[0][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-tram_0-128.0.0
BackImage[0][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-tram_0-128.1.0
FrontImage[1][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-tram_0-128.0.3
BackImage[1][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-tram_0-128.1.3
FrontImage[2][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-tram_0-128.0.2
FrontImage[3][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-tram_0-128.0.1

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Obj=building
Name=CarDepot
copyright=MHz
type=depot
waytype=road
intro_year = 1887
# must be 1*1
Dims=1,1,4
NoInfo=1
icon=> ../images/player-depot-road-128.1.2
cursor=../images/player-depot-road-128.1.3
FrontImage[0][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-road-128.0.0
#BackImage[0][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-road-128.1.0
FrontImage[1][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-road-128.0.1
#BackImage[1][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-road-128.1.1
FrontImage[2][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-road-128.0.2
FrontImage[3][0][0][0][0][0]=../images/player-depot-road-128.0.3

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#       EOF
Title: Re: No road depot < 1900 in Pak128 nightly/alpha
Post by: vilvoh on December 17, 2008, 09:57:57 AM
IRRC, there was some stuff (old horse carriages) in 128pak board, at the old forum. The thread is called Old Time Transport (http://archive.forum.simutrans.com/topic/06966.0/index.html).

It contains a large set of old horse carriages for transporting goods and passengers. Some of them are in pak format, but there're a lot of png files without dat. It might worth to contact with the author (AvG) to see if he gives you permission to include them.
Title: Re: No road depot < 1900 in Pak128 nightly/alpha
Post by: Magic_Gorter on December 17, 2008, 10:58:04 AM
IIRC Raven had in his European RV set http://128.simutrans.com/raven/main/eu_road_set.html (http://128.simutrans.com/raven/main/eu_road_set.html)
also horses and more things for transport (period 1830-1900). This could also be something to use (if Raven gives permission for it).
Title: Re: No road depot < 1900 in Pak128 nightly/alpha
Post by: VS on December 17, 2008, 03:02:01 PM
Good job, vilvoh, I totally forgot :)

Both authors agreed to the Artistic licence version 2, so just remember to share your results (with sources) and give them credit...