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Title: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: jamespetts on May 25, 2009, 04:57:47 PM
Any pakset that works with Simutrans-Standard will work with Simutrans-Experimental. However, Simutrans-Experimental has a number of features that can only be used fully when a pakset made specially for Simutrans-Experimental is used.

Features that require a compatible pakset


See here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1959.0) for a full explanation of all the new features of Simutrans-Experimental.

  • Comfort ratings (Simutrans-Standard vehicles all have a default comfort rating of 100)
  • Catering/travelling post offices (Simutrans-Standard vehicles have no catering or travelling post office settings)
  • Industrial obsolescence (Although Makeobj-Standard can compile industries with retirement dates, these are unlikely to be set up optimally for use in Simutrans-Experimental)
  • Tilting trains (In Simutrans-Standard paksets, there are no tilting trains.)
  • Fixed maintenance costs (In Simutrans-Standard paksets, the fixed maintenance costs all have a default setting of 0)
  • Weight limits on bridges and tunnels (In Simutrans-Standard paksets, plain ways (roads, tracks, etc.) may have weight limits, but bridges and tunnels will not have weight limits.) - New for 11.0 - ways have axle loads and bridges use the total convoy weight.
  • Way constraints (In Simutrans-Standard paksets, there are no way constraints)
  • Reversing (In Simutrans-Standard paksets, all vehicles are, by default, not reversible, and cannot lead from the rear of a convoy)
  • Overcrowded vehicles (In Simutrans-Standard paksets, no vehicles have an overcrowded (standing) capacity)
  • Loading times (In Simutrans-Standard paksets, all vehicles have a default loading time, which varies with the type of vehicle (i.e, whether it is a railway train, road vehicle, aircraft, etc.). Thus, the feature is, as of version 3.12 or later, partially used in Simutrans-Standard paksets. As of version 10.0, loading times can be set in seconds, and a minimum and maximum set, the actual loading time between the two values depending on the number/amount of passengers/goods boarding/alighting at the relevant stop(s))
  • Vehicle upgrading (In Simutrans-Standard paksets, it is not possible to upgrade any vehicles)
  • Tractive effort(In Simutrans-Standard, there is no tractive effort setting for vehicles; a calculated/guessed value is used when loading Standard paksets)
  • Traction types for depots (In Simutrans-Standard, any depots can build vehicles of all traction types)
  • Liveries (In Simutrans-Standard, all vehicles have only one livery)
  • Airport control towers (In Simutrans-Standard, airports can be built without control towers - this applies by default in Experimental unless otherwise set in simuconf.tab)
  • Minimum runway length(In Simutrans-Standard, any aircraft can land at any airport, no matter how short the runway)
  • Fare stages (In Simutrans-Standard, the per kilometre revenue is constant for all total distances)
All other features can work fully without a compatible pakset, although may required modified configuration files. Example modified configuration files can be downloaded here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1894.0).

List of compatible paksets

Pak128.Britain-Ex
Type: Simutrans-Experimental version of full pakset
Availability: Version 0.9.1 available here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=13185.0).
Source availability: Sources available on Github here (https://github.com/jamespetts/simutrans-pak128.britain) under the Artistic Licence.
Status: Mostly complete
Features implemented: Currently: (1) comfort; (2) loading times (variable); (3) catering; (4) travelling post offices; (5) upgrading; (6) way constraints; (7) reversing; ( 8) tilting trains; (9) overcrowding; (10) industry obsolescence and upgrading; (11) Simutrans-Experimental tuned speedbonus settings; (12) tractive effort; (13) traction types for depots; (14) liveries (partial); (15) full weight limits; (16) braking physics; (17) airport control towers; (18) runway maximum lengths; (19) axle loads; and (20) fare stages. The only feature not implemented is the fixed (monthly) maintenance, which is awaiting a full rebalance.
For more information: See the Pak128.Britain-Ex subforum (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?board=75.0).
Information last updated: 26th of January 2014

Pak128.Sweden-Ex
Type: Complete original pakset
Availability: Sources only
Sources availability: Sources available on Github here (https://github.com/VictorErik/Pak128.Sweden-Ex) under the Artistic Licence.
Status: Pre-alpha
Features implemented: TBC
For more information: See the Swedish language subforum (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?board=22.0).
Information last updated: 10th of September 2015

pak64.Exp
Type :Complete pakset (branch of pak64, which is an open source Simutrans-Standard pakset)
Availability: Download it here (https://github.com/downloads/jha4ceb/pak64.experimental/pak.64-experimental.zip).
Source availability: Sources are available here (https://github.com/jha4ceb/pak64.experimental).
Status: Beta
Features implemented: (1) upgrading, (2) comfort ratings, (3) tilting trains; and (4) reversing.
For more information: See the subforum (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?board=81.0).
Information last updated: 13th of November 2012

Pak.german-exp
Type: Complete pakset (continuation of the development of the original Pak.German, which was a Simutrans-Standard pakset)
Availability: Download it here (http://simutrans-germany.com/pak.german_exp/download.php?d=pak.german_exp.20382.7z) (see here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=6036.0) for information).
Source availability: Sources are thought to be available see here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=6105.msg58938#msg58938) for information.
Status: Beta
Features implemented: (1) comfort ratings; (2) tilting trains; (3) reversing; (4) fixed costs; and (5) full weight limits. (More is planned for future releases)
For more information: See the subforum (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?board=83.0).
Information last updated: 25th of September 2011

Pak64.19th Century.Experimental
Type: Simutrans-Experimental compatible addon for a standard pakset (Pak64). Requires Pak64 to run.
Availability: Download it here (http://www.fast-function-factory.de/Download/19th-Century-Experimental-7.1.zip) (see here (http://www.fast-function-factory.de/Download/19th-Century-Experimental.zip) for the older version for Simutrans-Experimental 7.0 and earlier).
Source availability: Sources are available here (http://www.fast-function-factory.de/Download/19th-Century-experimental-src.7z) under the Artistic Licence.
Status: Beta
Features implemented: (1) comfort ratings; (2) catering; (3) travelling post offices; (4) overcrowded vehicles; (5) loading times; and (6) tractive effort.
For more information: See the forum thread (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=2304.0)
Information last updated: 19th of December 2009

Pak192.Comic.Experimental
Type: Simutrans-Experimental version of full pakset
Availability: No longer available
Source availability: Closed-source
Status: Beta
Features implemented: (1) comfort ratings; (2) catering; (3) travelling post offices; (4) overcrowded vehicles; and (5) tilting trains.
For more information: See the official website (http://192comic.simutrans.com/)
Information last updated: 25th of May 2009

Information last updated: 24th of October 2010.

Information for pakset authors

Any pakset author with a Simutrans-Compatible pakset available or in production should contact me to have the pakset added to this thread, or have the information updated, as the case may be. I should also very much appreciate official screenshots from pakset authors illustrating their paksets (one or two thumbnail-sized screenshots, hosted offsite, optionally linking when clicked to a full-sized screenshot) to illustrate this thread. For more information on how to create Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets, see here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=2112.0).
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: AvG on April 02, 2010, 09:32:02 AM
Hi James,
Yesterday I discovered the archived Simutrans forum.
There I saw the name for my old stuff, namely Dutch Reality Connection.(DRC)
I think that is better than REAL-ECO-1900.
From now on my project-name will be Simutrans-EXP-DRC.

Please advise me where to start a new thread for DRC.

AvG
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: Frank on April 02, 2010, 10:04:52 AM
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Pak192.Comic.Experimental
Type: Simutrans-Experimental version of full pakset
Availability: Download it here (Find the "experimental" setting in the download menu).
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Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: jamespetts on April 06, 2010, 08:00:33 PM
Frank,

hmm - I'm not quite sure what has happened to Pak192.Comic-Experimental. Does anyone have any idea...?
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: jonasbb on April 07, 2010, 03:25:30 PM
In the last month was it still about pak192.comic.
And I think pak192.comic-experimantal was just a try to use some of the ST-Ex features.
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: mopoona on October 15, 2010, 09:01:23 PM
The first Version of the pak.german-exp scenario for Simutrans Experimental is now available for download.

http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=6036.0
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: jamespetts on October 24, 2010, 12:41:21 PM
Pak.German-Exp now added to the list - thank you for creating this!
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: jamespetts on September 17, 2011, 11:26:20 AM
I notice that this topic is now somewhat out of date - I shall update it properly when I get a moment!
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: jamespetts on September 25, 2011, 08:48:54 PM
Updated with new information for Pak128.Britain-Ex, a new pakset (Pak64.Experimental), and a few miscellaneous changes.
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: Carl on November 20, 2011, 03:15:25 PM
Thanks for including pak64.experimental here! Just to note that it now includes the following Experimental-specific features in addition to those you've mentioned above:

-- Catering
-- Industrial obsolescence and upgrading
-- Overcrowding
-- Way Constraints
-- Min/Max loading times
-- Fixed maintenance costs

Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: shi4stone on April 24, 2013, 02:47:16 PM
Hi,

I having been playing simutrans-experimental + Britain ex pack almost continuously for a few weeks. Really enjoy it. But now I wish to try a different pack for a change, and comic 96 looks really attractive to me. However when I try to run it with experimental, I got the fatal error, string size larger than allowed message. It's really frustrating. I know I can play comic 96 with standard, but now I am so used to the scheduling and the scale in experimental, I felt really difficult to go back to standard...

As I understand all pakset are supposed to be able run in experiemental even if they do not fullly utilize all its feature. Then how come this happens?

B.R.
Stone
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: jamespetts on April 24, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
Welcome to the forum, and sorry that you are having trouble. The difficulty is probably caused by the fact that the latest version of Pak96.Comic is compiled for a more recent version of Standard than the version on which the latest released version of Experimental - 10.27 - was based. The latest release candidate for Experimental (download here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=11778.0)) was based on a much more recent version of Standard, and so should work with the latest version of Pak96.Comic.
Title: Re: Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets
Post by: jamespetts on July 12, 2013, 10:32:13 PM
Edited for the release of Simutrans-Experimental 11.0 and Pak128.Britain-Ex 0.9.0