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Title: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (old topic 2)
Post by: IgorEliezer on October 04, 2009, 01:39:43 PM
Simutrans.com site

This is the new old opic for discussions about our simutrans.com site (http://www.simutrans.com/).

Feel free to:

- make suggestions;
- offer material;
- report errors;
- announce sites (fan and official ones) to be listed here (http://www.simutrans.com/links.htm);
- and so on what I can't remember now... ;D



Simutrans.com site progress

Simutrans.com site is receiving some changes:

Index:
- New layout: less blank spaces and more colorful/friendlier.
- New picture (leftside, with trains): I would like someone suggest me something better.

About:
- A link to Kompozer site. (Kompozer is an open-source HTML editor, the same I'm using to edit the site)

Download:
- New link for pak128.Britain
- Nightly Builds

Links:
- Several links for sites were removed (outdated, abandoned or not-working sites, e.g. SimuConfig, Simutrans Music, Screenshot Gallery and Simutrans Archive and more);
- New categories: Fan Simutrans Sites, and Reviews and external sites.

All:
- Stupid green-page bug fixed (see here  (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1345.msg14982#msg14982)the screenshot);
- Tiny and cute link-flags for German, Portuguese, Japanese and Spanish sites: see page footer.

Preview of upcoming site here: http://www.simutrans.com/newsite (http://www.simutrans.com/newsite)

EDIT: Bad writing fixed.



Older topic: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1345.0
New topic: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=11482.0 (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=11482.0)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Tomas on October 04, 2009, 02:53:43 PM
Good job Igor!
I have a few prompts:
* images in jpeg-format with high compression looks poor. You can use PNG - is better for web-based graphic.
* background color (rgb 102, 102, 204; hex 6666CC) in H4-title (Simutrans is a freeware...) looks on my display very, very crazy  :o
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on October 04, 2009, 03:20:27 PM
* background color (rgb 102, 102, 204; hex 6666CC) in H4-title (Simutrans is a freeware...) looks on my display very, very crazy  :o

Screenshot please?
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Tomas on October 04, 2009, 06:17:16 PM
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/166/screenxe.th.jpg) (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/screenxe.jpg/)
EDIT: i try to use color from link:
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1954/colorcomp.png)
In top is original color (#6666CC) and in bottom is "new" (#30406E). I think, new color provides better contrast...
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on October 04, 2009, 10:56:16 PM
This looks imho ugly too, I think. Why needed to make it like this?

(And those strange MAC-like icons on the download page case more confusion to me than directing me to anything. Also a break under the complete download would be great ...)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on October 18, 2009, 01:34:44 AM
I'll be updating the Simutrans.com portal soon. Maybe tomorrow or Monday, so post what you think about the site as fast as you can.

I'd like to ask a little thing: Are you seeing this image  (http://www.simutrans.com/newsite/images/bckg_mainleft.jpg) at the front page http://www.simutrans.com/newsite ?

That's just a placeholder. I think of substituting it by an image with some locos, convoys and trucks (pak128 or 192) over a transparent background or something like this (http://128.simutrans.com/images/divback.png) as shown at http://128.simutrans.com/.

This looks imho ugly too, I think. Why needed to make it like this?

What is ugly for you?

Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: VS on October 18, 2009, 10:47:31 AM
What breaks it for me is:

1) Strange colour choice (violet) Sorry, you are changing that!

2) The part saying "download" overlaps the bar in a rather blocky way... no idea how to explain better, it feels like banana boxes stacked together carelessly:
(http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/f/fr/frenchbyte/135974_banana_boxes.jpg)
Probably related to having a different height overlapping above and under.

3) The bar itself is too strong a divider; there is "background", "text block" and "header", all of them with adding more horizontal lines, and this adds even more of these. It's just a theory but it begins to look too much like an advertisement.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Frank on October 18, 2009, 11:03:51 AM
the footer flag link for german

simutrans-germany.com is not a german portal site, is a server home page

this page not included external links

suggestion

tikiwiki german index page (http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=1)

or

german forum (http://www.simutrans-forum.de/forum/index.php)

or

a user create a new portal page on simutrans-germany.de
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on November 26, 2009, 04:53:05 AM
Some minor edits on Simutrans.com:

- Blog and SVNLogs links added;
- Abandoned/death sites removed;
- New fixed and consistent footer;
- Background bug fixed;
- something more.

:arrow: http://www.simutrans.com/index.html
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Spike on November 26, 2009, 08:54:02 AM
I'd like to ask a little thing: Are you seeing this image  (http://www.simutrans.com/newsite/images/bckg_mainleft.jpg) at the front page http://www.simutrans.com/newsite ?

late but maybe it still helps: Yes image is there. Using Mozilla SeaMoneky as browser.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Rodrigo Soracco on November 26, 2009, 11:14:16 AM
Good. Dark purple banner, as proposed by Tomas, looks better (imho).
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Spike on November 26, 2009, 11:24:40 AM
I found a few references to http://www.simugraph.com

This domain will seize to exist some time next spring. I moved most of my web stuff to http://www.funkelwerk.de

Maybe you can update the links?
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on November 26, 2009, 06:26:53 PM
late but maybe it still helps: Yes image is there. Using Mozilla SeaMoneky as browser.

Refresh the page twice (Ctrl+F5) or clean the cache.

And I'm going to empty http://www.simutrans.com/newsite.

Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on November 26, 2009, 09:25:57 PM
Download page: There is a 102-2 download for intel and power mac on sourceforge but not on siad page.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on November 30, 2009, 04:02:04 AM
There is a 102-2 download for intel and power mac on sourceforge but not on said page.

Done. Please, check the page.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on December 11, 2009, 08:34:31 PM
Download page updated.

Please, check out: http://www.simutrans.com/download.htm
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: The Hood on December 11, 2009, 10:18:44 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Frank on December 12, 2009, 09:33:35 AM
update the pak192.comic link, please

see http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=3909.0
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on December 12, 2009, 12:25:49 PM
update the pak192.comic link, please

Done.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on December 12, 2009, 10:29:59 PM
Could we get the title bar from the blog also for the www.simutrans.com? Imho it looks much better and it should just require some CSS changes. And it would not hurt if www.simutrans.com is tested with Chrome, I find this jumping menubar due to bold change by mouseover quite annoying, but I would like to hear more comments on it.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on February 05, 2010, 04:07:15 PM
I did a minor edit on Simutrans site:

- Download: few tweaks;
- Community: new Chat channel link (Direct via browser);
- Links: new fan sites and some links edited.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: The Hood on February 25, 2010, 08:20:12 PM
Can you update the link to pak128.Britain download please?  New link:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/simutrans/files/pak128.britain/pak128.britain%20for%20102-0/pak128Britain_1-0-7_0-102.zip/download
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on February 25, 2010, 10:13:39 PM
done! :)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: The Hood on February 25, 2010, 11:10:34 PM
cheers.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round) (about 102.2.2)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 08, 2010, 02:56:17 PM
Another simutrans site update is near. So, I need to know few things:

1) Are there Simutrans complete versions for 102.2.2 available?

2) v102.2.2 is stable?

3) BeOs will no longer be supported by Simutrans DevTeam?
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: jonasbb on March 08, 2010, 03:21:51 PM
2) It has mostly bugs correction, so yes.

3) Haiku should be full compatible with BeOs,so the programm should run.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on March 08, 2010, 07:37:02 PM
Well Haiku has a different networking library than BeOS. But since no modern computer can run BeOS (no dual CPU support, no support of meodrn networking chips, ... ) but can run Haiku, I compiled now under Haiku.

I think 102.2.2 is one of the most stable released ever ... but I though the rule was to call something stable after one week testing.

And the complete version should be on sourceforge.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 09, 2010, 03:28:52 AM
Simutrans.com just updated.

- download page: new stable.
- about page: menu bar.
- links page: menu bar and more links.
- general: minor fixes.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 16, 2010, 12:36:33 AM
Simutrans.com updated:

- help page (http://www.simutrans.com/help.htm): 2 new links of sites with manuals added and several fixes.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on May 26, 2010, 09:39:56 PM
Maybe the german link could rather point to "www.simutrans.de"
Title: Simutrans website points to SVN but doesn't tell you the password
Post by: yobbobandana on June 01, 2010, 03:42:32 PM
Hi!

I wanted to do some hacking on the latest simutrans source, and I quite easily found the link to the development SVN account from http://www.simutrans.com/development.htm (http://www.simutrans.com/development.htm). However I was a little stumped when it asked for a password.

After trying combinations of "anonymous" and "guest" to no avail, I dug around on this forum and found the details (username: "anon", password: "").

My suggestion is that it would be nice if this info was added to the main website :).

EDIT BY Igor: DONE!
Title: Re: Simutrans website points to SVN but doesn't tell you the password
Post by: Dwachs on June 01, 2010, 03:57:41 PM
yes, this should be mentioned there!
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on August 08, 2010, 01:23:44 AM
A new update is near. What's new:

- SVN password on public, as said here: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=5258.0
- German link will be www.simutrans.de
- More links in Simutrans Sites page: http://simutrans.com/links.htm
- New screenshots in PakSet gallery: http://simutrans.com/paksets.htm (many of them will be SMSC winners (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=4727.0))
- some fixes.

But, to get it done, I will need:

- to know, does the pakJapan (or Pak64Japan) still exist?
- one screenshot of pak96.comic
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: vilvoh on August 08, 2010, 09:18:28 AM
But, to get it done, I will need:
- one screenshot of pak96.comic

You can use this one from A. Brose (SMSC May Edition Winner)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Abrose_bigcity.png
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Frank on August 08, 2010, 09:28:03 AM
under Links

Quote
...
Simutrans FAQ - Simutrans FAQ in Simutrans Forum Arquive.
...

Arquive - is this correct?



for Online-Dat better this link

http://online-dat.simutrans-germany.com/ (http://online-dat.simutrans-germany.com/)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on August 08, 2010, 09:54:46 AM
You can use this one from A. Brose (SMSC May Edition Winner)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Abrose_bigcity.png

Too bad. This one is already in. I need another. ;D

Frank's post

Done. Thank you.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Dwachs on August 08, 2010, 10:16:01 AM
There is also another source repository now:

http://github.com/aburch/simutrans

This link should be mentioned on the development section.

It is a clone of the svn-repository with another version-control system (git).
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: MoTw on August 08, 2010, 03:23:37 PM
Too bad. This one is already in. I need another. ;D

I asked for Screenshots at the German forum and they asked if there was a restriction in size or a specific topic the screenshot has to be about.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on August 08, 2010, 08:41:32 PM
As it is not the official one and even hosting simutrans-experimental, I would be not too happy with making it official. Maybe lable it as an alternative one? There is also a git version of the "official SVN" at git://tron.homeunix.org/simutrans (http://git://tron.homeunix.org/simutrans).
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on August 09, 2010, 06:24:09 AM
I asked for Screenshots at the German forum and they asked if there was a restriction in size or a specific topic the screenshot has to be about.

Simple things:
- 800 x 600px max (If larger, I can cut it down)
- No objects from other paksets (sample of a screenshot that doesn't fit (http://graphics.simutrans.com/displayimage.php?album=126&pos=7))
- No add-ons (well, not mandatory)

****

Please, I would like some help on these things:

- Development page (http://simutrans.com/newsite/development.htm): I feel this page looks a tad "messy" and needs a cleaning. Maybe it lacks some important info. I'd like make it "pleasant" for people who might get involved with development.

- Pakset Gallery (http://simutrans.com/newsite/paksets.htm): check if there are missing/wrong info. Missing paksets? Outdated paksets? Let me know.

- Simutrans Links (http://simutrans.com/newsite/links.htm): check if there are missing sites and/or wrong info. Fan sites, if good and reliable, are welcome.

- Other pages (http://simutrans.com/newsite): feel free to make suggestions.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: MoTw on August 09, 2010, 01:14:07 PM
Igor, here you are: The Transporter posted a screenshot. Have look at it here (http://www.simutrans-forum.de/forum/thread.php?postid=66658#post66658)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on August 10, 2010, 02:33:00 AM
Igor, here you are: The Transporter posted a screenshot (...)

Thank you.

It's already in: http://simutrans.com/newsite/paksets.htm
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Frank on August 19, 2010, 06:27:23 PM
http://www.simutrans.com/development.htm (http://www.simutrans.com/development.htm)

under 'Writing manuals and tutorials'

I think the link 'Simutrans Wiki' rename to 'Simutrans Wikis Home.

And the link 'Simutrans Germany Wiki' rename to 'Simutrans Tikiwiki'.
The Tikiwiki include English, Swedish, Czech ( since yesterday ) and German.
Title: Re: Simutrans website points to SVN but doesn't tell you the password (MERGED!)
Post by: IgorEliezer on August 28, 2010, 04:59:19 PM
Done, it's already in testing version of Simutrans.com
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (SITE JUST UPDATED!!!)
Post by: IgorEliezer on August 28, 2010, 11:46:15 PM
I'm right now updating the Simutrans.com site (which can be found here: http://simutrans.com/newsite)

If you want to talk with me about the site update, you can find me at Simutrans Chat (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1369.0 or irc://quakenet/Simutrans).



The Simutrans.com site has been updated!

www.simutrans.com (http://www.simutrans.com)

Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on October 30, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
THere are some links, which should go to simutrans.com

Hongkong community forum (quite active!) and lots of pak128 addons:
http://www.hkbdc.info/index.php?c=12

And another Link, which might be useful: A collection of all simutrans videos.
http://gabrielbur.info/index.php?key=simutrans
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on October 30, 2010, 02:12:11 PM
Done. :)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on October 30, 2010, 03:02:39 PM
I think the Hongkong forum should rather go to the community page. But maybe some hongkong player should comment.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on January 05, 2011, 02:50:24 PM
Maybe we could update the simutrans development page? A suggestion for the main part of the page is attached.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on January 05, 2011, 06:52:52 PM
It's up. http://www.simutrans.com/development.htm

Please report me about any flaws. Copy-pasting stuff not always works fine.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on January 05, 2011, 07:34:33 PM
Since I typed it, I immediately spotted a typo like "creenshot". But I am sure I left more in it ...

Thanks, anyway for the fast reaction.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: VS on January 05, 2011, 08:01:39 PM
Get involved-programming and source code. Why two sections?

Otherwise very good... I never look at the pages but it seems they have everything needed :)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on January 05, 2011, 08:17:45 PM
Well get involved also included pak set drawing, translation etc. The programming is indeed a little reduntant. (However, I feel like we need more programmers at the moment, as there are aparently a lot of artists around.)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: sdog on January 05, 2011, 11:46:11 PM
perhaps it would be also a good idea to mention the Artisitic License on that page, so potential contributors know the conditions under which they contribute.


also found a minor typo:
"The forum is also the first address to discuss or recieve help on compiling simutrans and related questions."
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on February 07, 2011, 03:26:24 AM
also found a minor typo:
"The forum is also the first address to discuss or recieve help on compiling simutrans and related questions."

Fixed.

Besides, I want to rewrite "Welcome" to "Home" in the header, because some days ago I used an old 800x600 screen and the header gets screwed up just by few characters.

Another thing, I would like to ask to test the links in download page. I'm afraid that something is still broken there.

EDIT:

The "Wiki Manual" link in the front page (http://www.simutrans.com/index.html) was changed, now it points to http://wiki.simutrans-germany.com/. Also, this means the material of old wiki (that wasn't transferred, if still) will no longer be found from simutrans.com front page.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on February 08, 2011, 07:34:12 PM
Besides, I want to rewrite "Welcome" to "Home" in the header, because some days ago I used an old 800x600 screen and the header gets screwed up just by few characters.

Any comment? Can I go for it? ;)

Another thing: we have new links on Simutrans fan sites list:
- Edcitysimutrans
- Minami-Fukuoka Car Corp. Simutrans division
- Simutrans Hispano

http://simutrans.com/links.htm#Simutrans_fan_sites
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: vilvoh on February 08, 2011, 09:40:08 PM
It makes more sense to call it Home, as it's usual way to name the frontpage in all websites.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (110.0 is out - site updated)
Post by: IgorEliezer on February 15, 2011, 12:16:09 AM
Download page is updated. Please test to see if there are broken links:

http://www.simutrans.com/download.htm

No Simutrans Complete for 110.0 at this moment. Remove this section?
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on February 15, 2011, 09:51:51 AM
When I wrote the announcement, I found we have many pak sets not featured on simutrans.com. Perhaps one could merge the simutrans download page with the page set page. Or a streamlined version with only one smaller image (256x128 or so) pak set link with size and version.

Complete will come tonight. I worked seven hours yesterday on releasing.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: An_dz on February 15, 2011, 03:58:43 PM
You can use the images used on Simutrans wiki on paksets page (http://www.simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=en_paksets). They are 300x225 and are about 30kb and links to a 1024x768 one. It'll save time.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Ashley on February 15, 2011, 04:02:22 PM
Now that we have Multiplayer in the stable I think we should have a page on the main site detailing the process of playing online with Simutrans. This could be a big selling point for the game with new players and I think it really deserves its own page on the homepage.

I'd be happy to write up some copy on this with a brief guide to playing online and listing of the online resources.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on February 15, 2011, 08:01:26 PM
You all are proposing "tons" of changes for the portal :D. That's why I opened this topic: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=6860.0

- I agree we need to merge Downloads with paksets page, but Download needs to be trimmed down first.

- We need a page for server listing. (better if the page was updated via a command sent from Simutrans. Player clicks on "Host" in Simutrans and his server is added into server list table, not manually as now)

- It'd be better an index page that displays the latest news of the blog (see http://www.freecol.org/ or http://www.blender.org/)

- A flexible layout that wouldn't require to edit all pages every time a new page is created (header: I hate you!).

- A friendly way to download Simutrans and tools.

- If the portal was coded in php or something, other sites could be merged with the portal, e.g. svnlogs.simutrans.com.

- Most of all pages are true wall-of-text. No one bothers reading more than 4 lines per subject (Welcome to the Internet, amigos)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: VS on February 15, 2011, 08:26:04 PM
In theory, svnlogs could be moved here. There is no active part of the page that does anything, so the static files could be uploaded here instead - done :) Or you could load the sub-pages in an iframe.

Most of all pages are true wall-of-text. No one bothers reading more than 4 lines per subject (Welcome to the Internet, amigos)
Agreed. Then again, we want some text for those who want to read.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 13, 2011, 03:09:23 AM
Simutrans.com site updated:

- download page: Simutrans Complete removed. Download links for 110.0.1. Page clean-up.

http://www.simutrans.com/download.htm

Please check if something is broken. :)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: VS on March 13, 2011, 11:58:20 AM
Some paksets point to files and some to "folders". Pak64 points to a folder, for example... Executables all point to files.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 13, 2011, 12:13:08 PM
Because it's a big annoyance to update the page, link by link, every time a pakset is released with no warning or announcement, without a standard or consistency. That's why paksets links point to the folders, mostly.

Once I gave up, because of severals pakset releases.... until someone says "surprise! the links are badly outdated", then I came back with the job. ;D
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on March 14, 2011, 12:56:17 PM
Perhaps we should have a meta-file. Or parse the NSIS installer files, there is all pak set info colletcted together with a name and so on ...

Maybe we should consider adding a network page, incoporation the server list and a very short howto?
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (... new pakset page on the way?)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 21, 2011, 03:25:41 AM
I'm doing some experiences with pakset page:

http://www.simutrans.com/paksets-test.htm

The good:
- less images
- less loading time
- less wall-of-texts
- better layout
- download links
- links for discussions and sites

The bad (things that still need to get done):
- the CSS still needs to be fixed ;D
- screenshots are badly outdated and/or don't present the pakst quite wel
- some paksets may be discontinued and others are missing. Oh well...

As you can see I made the test only with first 3 pakset sections of the page. If people like it, I'll complete it. ;)

Maybe we should consider adding a network page, incoporation the server list and a very short howto?

Maybe or I could place a link pointing to the wiki text about network servers.

To be honest, I'm considering replacing entire site layout with something more flexible.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: VS on March 21, 2011, 12:35:48 PM
I have locos running into pictures?
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Fabio on March 21, 2011, 02:39:44 PM
My biggest concern about the page is, it lacks a meaningful order for the paksets.
Orders could be:
- by popularity (players/downloads) (es. pak64, 128, 96, 64.german, 128.britain or whatever else comes from more or less reliable statistics)
- by tile size (es. pak 32, pak 64 and 64 variants, pak 96, pak 128, pak 192, etc...); the variants could be ordered by popularity
- by date of first creation, last released, etc...

Any idea?
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: vilvoh on March 21, 2011, 03:33:42 PM
I would order them by tile size instead of popularity.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 21, 2011, 04:39:51 PM
I have locos running into pictures?  
 
  
- the CSS still needs to be fixed ;D
 
No, you don't. It's just a mirage. :P  
  
I would order them by tile size instead of popularity.
 
Yep, by size.  
  
We need to keep in mind that the site is meant to be visited by people who never learned about Simutrans before, therefore the order mustn't be by popularity or history since such a people don't know which is the most popular pakset nor our chronology. I prefer to be didactic. Nonetheless, the pak64 must come first for being the standard pakset.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on March 21, 2011, 08:13:19 PM
Any set should get either only one or three screenshots, not a mixture ...
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 21, 2011, 08:50:09 PM
Any set should get either only one or three screenshots, not a mixture ...
My good sir... ;D

As you can see I made the test only with the first 3 pakset sections of the page. If people like it, I'll complete it. ;)
I intended to make all sets get only one screenshot, but it'd be quite time-consuming. So I did the experience with the first 3 paksets (pak64, pakGerman and PakJapan). If people like it, I'll make the change on the whole page.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on March 21, 2011, 10:36:05 PM
I like the left right layout. But probably we can format this that, given not enough space, the text is below?
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 22, 2011, 04:01:21 AM
I think the space isn't a problem here. All paksets have a fairly short description, except Pak128.Britain (which isn't a big issue too).

I rather prefer short descriptions (about 300 characters) because I'm planning to make PakSet page work like a download page, thus we get rid of the mess in download page (http://www.simutrans.com/download.htm): the visitor downloads the executable from the download page and then he chooses a pakset from the gallery - the pakset page -  and clicks on download, so visitor can preview and learn a bit about the pakset before downloading it.

I think someone who just wants to download both the binaries and the paksets wouldn't want to read long texts but the basic about the pakset, i.e. a preview and a short text. If he wants to learn more the pakset, he can click on provided links; the wiki can help here.

As for multiplayer: the About page (http://www.simutrans.com/about.htm) could be expanded upon with some info about multiplayer mode.

Orders could be:
(...)
- by tile size (es. pak 32, pak 64 and 64 variants, pak 96, pak 128, pak 192, etc...); the variants could be ordered by popularity
Let me suggest: sorting by size and then by alphabetical order but pak64 should come first:

    * pak64 - the standard pakset
    * pak32.Comic
    * pak48.Excentrique
    * pak64.Contrast
    * pak64.German
    * pak64.Hajo
    * pak64.HO
    * pak64.Japan (beta)
    * pak96.Comic
    * pak96.HD
    * pak128
    * pak128.Britain
    * pak128.Japan
    * pak192.Comic
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Fabio on March 22, 2011, 08:26:57 AM
Any set should get either only one or three screenshots, not a mixture ...
I intended to make all sets get only one screenshot, but it'd be quite time-consuming. So I did the experience with the first 3 paksets (pak64, pakGerman and PakJapan). If people like it, I'll make the change on the whole page.
On the other hand, if this page is the shop-window of each pakset, I would suggest
1- clicking on a screenshot, replaces it with a new one of the same pakset (cycling through screenshots should be basic javascript)
2- clicking on a screenshot opens a new page with a gallery of screenshots for that very pakset (e.g. taken from SMSC winners and contestants)


I think the space isn't a problem here. All paksets have a fairly short description, except Pak128.Britain (which isn't a big issue too).
Similarily, a "Learn more" link could show a longer description if available

Let me suggest: sorting by size and then by alphabetical order but pak64 should come first:

    * pak64 - the standard pakset
    * pak32.Comic
    * pak48.Excentrique
    * pak64.ABO
    * pak64.Contrast
    * pak64.German
    * pak64.Hajo
    * pak64.HO
    * pak64.Japan (beta)
    * pak96.Comic
    * pak96.HD
    * pak128
    * pak128.Japan
    * pak128.Britain
    * pak192.Comic

On the other hand, I would like to know (specially if I were a player) which paksets are still maintained and which have been discontinued
    * pak64 - STANDARD
    * pak32.Comic - ACTIVE
    * pak48.Excentrique - ACTIVE
    * pak64.ABO - ???
    * pak64.Contrast - ???
    * pak64.German - ACTIVE / POPULAR
    * pak64.Hajo - ???
    * pak64.Japan - ACTIVE ?
    * pak96.Comic - ACTIVE / POPULAR
    * pak96.HD - DISCONTINUED (unfortunately)
    * pak128 - ACTIVE / POPULAR
    * pak128.Japan - ACTIVE / POPULAR
    * pak128.Britain - ACTIVE / POPULAR
    * pak192.Comic - ACTIVE

This status is just my wild guess, based on what I read on the forum.
IMHO Active and, specially, popular pakset shoud have a better visible position in the list.
Or, anyway, Active / Discontinued status should be stated.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Combuijs on March 22, 2011, 09:18:57 AM
Yes, I think that status is very important. I would even use it as a sorter, so:

1) standard projects (eg. pak64)
2) active and popular (pak64.german, pak64.hajo, pak96.comic, pak128, pak128.japan, pak128.Britain)
3) active and niche (pak32.comic, pak48.excentrique, pak64.japan)
4) non-active, but playable (pak64.abo, pak64.contrast, pak96.hd)
5) in development (pak64.HO, pak192.comic, pak128.german)

You could argue about each individual classification, but this way of sorting leads to a quite natural order.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 22, 2011, 09:22:38 AM
I've just made some changes in the page:

http://www.simutrans.com/paksets-test.htm (refresh the page, CSS was changed)

Notice:
- links are broken or wrong. I just copy-paste-paste-paste-paste-paste-paste-paste the stuff ;D
- some pakset descriptions need to be shortened and others extended upon.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: Fabio on March 22, 2011, 11:00:13 AM
Yes, I think that status is very important. I would even use it as a sorter, so:

1) standard projects (eg. pak64)
2) active and popular (pak64.german, pak64.hajo, pak96.comic, pak128, pak128.japan, pak128.Britain)
3) active and niche (pak32.comic, pak48.excentrique, pak64.japan)
4) non-active, but playable (pak64.abo, pak64.contrast, pak96.hd)
5) in development (pak64.HO, pak192.comic, pak128.german)

You could argue about each individual classification, but this way of sorting leads to a quite natural order.


I definitely agree with this order, grouping the paksets in sections and adding:
6) Other experiences (as it is now)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: prissi on March 22, 2011, 12:38:47 PM
I think it would be nice to have a selector to sort popularity (default, thus starting with pak64 and pak128 and then with mature/beta/discontinued suborder) and then provide sorting by size (tiles) size (mega bytes). It would mean that there are three pages, but this is not too much for the key page, or?

- pak contrast was published for 100.x series or? As such, it should be still playable.
- pak64.HO (which can be even repacked, since it is GPL ... ) is also playable
- pak64.japan is no longer beta, as there is a release for 110.0 ...
- all pak comics lack vehicles mostly. But you can play them, so they should go in.
- same for pak128.german
- Since funkelwerk.de (Hajos webseite) is down, there is no download for pak48.excentrique at the moment.

mature:
pak64, pak64.german, pak64.japan, pak64.contrast, pak128, pak96.comic, pak128.britain

lacking some features:
pak64.abo, pak64.contrast, pak128.german, pak96.HD, pak192.comic(honestly I do not know how mature)

only basic functionality
pak32.comic, pak64.HO, pak48.excentrique
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 22, 2011, 11:43:08 PM
Does pakABO (ABOset) still exist? Is there a downloadable packable somewhere?

BTW: I made some changes is the page: www.simutrans.com/paksets-test.htm

EDIT:

The wiki has a text about all Simutrans paksets: http://www.simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=en_paksets

If people fulfill it, it will be really helpful.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: An_dz on March 26, 2011, 04:47:24 PM
I prefer tilesize with alphabetical.
Popularity is difficult to order less popular ones.

As I already said:
You can use the images used on Simutrans wiki on paksets page (http://www.simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=en_paksets). They are 300x225 and are about 30kb and links to a 1024x768 one. It'll save time.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (2nd round)
Post by: DGMurdockIII on July 14, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
this suggestion is related to the Simutrans Chat form post in  Information and announcements section http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1369.0

I have a suggestion for the website where you stated to point people to http://chat.simutrans.com/ if they wanted to connect to chat room with out a irc channel why not still do that but but use use mibbit http://www.mibbit.com/

http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Main_Page
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: IgorEliezer on December 30, 2011, 06:27:49 AM
........  :o

I woke up quite early today. Then I'll be taking this opportunity to make some updates in Simutrans.com site.

If you have any questions, ideas or report about any problem, post here or join #simutrans IRC (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1369.0)
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (WITH 2012 GIFT!)
Post by: IgorEliezer on January 01, 2012, 11:18:34 AM
Okay, I bring a gift:

www.simutrans.com/newsite (http://www.simutrans.com/newsite)

Try it out before I replace the current site with this new one.


Main changes:

- About received "History" section from Development page.
- Download, no changes... for now. I plan to remove pakset download links, since there's a better pakset page.
- Pakset has now download links, short descriptions, and links for "More info". The user can now preview, lean and download the pakset in one page.
- Help, minor fixes, less duplicate links for the wikis.
- Development page is more friendly, not redundant, less confusing. "History" part was moved to About.
- Community, nothing changed.
- Links, clean-up. Some dead links were removed.


Minor changes:

- Header-navigation bar: better mouse-hover descriptions
- Footer: © Simutrans Community, 2004-2012
- Page indexation: more keywords.


Must-Do Things:

- Pakset page is not finished:
---- Pak64.Hajo needs 3 screenshots.
---- Pak64.Japan needs a longer description.
---- Pak96.Comic idem
---- Pak96.HD idem
---- Pak128.German needs 3 screenshots and a good 5-lines description. Download link is broken (so is in topic release)
---- Pak192.Comic  needs a longer description.

That's all, for now.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: Fabio on January 01, 2012, 11:43:19 AM
Could paksets top menu be split in sections after their tile size?
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: IgorEliezer on January 08, 2012, 12:22:41 AM
Could paksets top menu be split in sections after their tile size?
What sections? I fail to figure it out  what kind of sections you're talking about. ???
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: Combuijs on January 08, 2012, 10:43:31 AM
I think he means this section:


Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: Spike on January 08, 2012, 12:33:01 PM
You might want to remove any links to funkelwerk.de

The site is not coming back. The domain isn't mine anymore already. So if something is coming back under this name, it won't be my site.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: IgorEliezer on January 09, 2012, 04:53:41 AM
I think he means this section:

(http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3434.0;attach=17105;image)
Well, that's what I suppose he meant by "paksets top menu". But I didn't understand the "split in sections" part. Maybe he wants me to sort it by pakset tilesize, a tilesize per line... but it's already "kind of" sorted by tilesize.

You might want to remove any links to funkelwerk.de
No problem, Hajo. Thank you.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: Fabio on January 09, 2012, 11:36:36 AM
Precisely...

I mean something like:


[64x64] pak64 |  pak64.German |  pak64.Japan |  pak64.HAJO | Abo Set |  pak64.Contrast |  pak64.HO-scale

[96x96] pak96.Comic  | pak96.HD

[128x128] pak128 | pak128.Britain |  pak128.German | pak128.Japan | pak128.Czech

[Other] pak48.Excentrique | pak32.comic | pak192.comic | Other experiences


Title: pak.excentrique on simutrans site?
Post by: sdog on January 18, 2012, 10:12:07 PM

I think Hajo's new pak reached a state where it is complete pak-set (i mean all basic functionality is covered). Shouldn't it now be listed in the pak-set section of the simutrans page?

http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=3702.msg83917#msg83917
Title: Re: pak.excentrique on simutrans site?
Post by: IgorEliezer on January 19, 2012, 12:34:44 AM
It's already included in the "testing" version of simutrans.com: http://www.simutrans.com/newsite/ (http://www.simutrans.com/newsite/)

When it's done, it will be fully accessible. If you want to follow the topic about simutrans.com site: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=3434.0 (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=3434.0) (check out the latest posts)
Title: Re: pak.excentrique on simutrans site?
Post by: sdog on January 19, 2012, 01:32:32 AM
oh, sorry i should have posted it there. if the thread is in the way here, could you please move it to that thread.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - japanese blog found (was: pak.excentrique on simutrans.com)
Post by: IgorEliezer on January 19, 2012, 01:40:16 AM
No problem. :D



Edit:

I'd like to ask Japanese-speakers a help: I found this blog http://simutrans128.blog26.fc2.com/ which is related to Simutrans. Is it good? Well, at least it seems good for me. If so, I'd like to include it in our list of fan-sites (http://www.simutrans.com/newsite/links.htm#Simutrans_fan_sites).
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: prissi on January 19, 2012, 03:32:42 PM
About the pakset page: pak128.german has still placeholder text. Could this be changed?

and in the winter pak there is a "v" too many "a separate pak for winter v is not needed any more. "
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: IgorEliezer on January 20, 2012, 01:13:11 AM
About the pakset page: pak128.german has still placeholder text. Could this be changed?
Yes. I just need a small description about the pakset (about 330 characters) and a good screenshot (without add-ons).
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: Fabio on January 20, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
I don't know about addons, but the pak German currently leading the contest for SMSC this month (the one with autumn colours, just to speak) seems a good candidate for cropping one or more pics for the website...
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: prissi on January 21, 2012, 10:36:36 PM
Looking at that page again, the screenshot for pak96.comic is not at all representative of this pak too ...
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (Simutrans.com site updated)
Post by: IgorEliezer on February 09, 2012, 03:15:47 AM
Simutrans.com site updated. But not fully complete.

http://www.simutrans.com (http://www.simutrans.com/)

Main changes:
  • Download page slightly simplified.
  • Paksets page now provides download links (not complete, though: some paksets needs screens and short descriptions).
  • Help page: small fixes.
  • Development page: friendlier, organized and more inviting; some fixes done too.
  • Links: more links, broken links removed.
I think of adding a "Contests" section in Community page.

Comments are welcome.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: vilvoh on February 09, 2012, 06:19:34 PM
I support the contest section.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: An_dz on February 27, 2012, 03:12:39 AM
I just found out that the Wiki link for pakMars is incorrect, it links to pak64.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: IgorEliezer on February 27, 2012, 03:56:30 AM
Fixed.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 01, 2012, 01:42:27 AM
Site just updated:
- download page now provides Simutrans 111.2.1.
- pakset: pak64 and 128: new download links; pak128.German: picture preview and description (thanks to michelstadt).
- links: Simutrans on Twitter and Experimental game server list.
Title: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: IgorEliezer on January 06, 2013, 04:02:51 PM
Once in a while I see people spotting some mistypes and trainwrecky sentences in our portal. If you haven't visit our portal yet, this is the great time to do so now: http://www.simutrans.com (http://www.simutrans.com)

Okay, give a look, don't need to look at every page, every word... if you spot something bad or wrong, please report the paragraph with a link. :)
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Typos, misspellings and bad-grammar: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: asaphxiix on January 06, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
Hello,

Here are some corrections and addition on the 'About' tab:

You can choose from a large amount of trains including steam, diesel and electric engines, along with multiple units - each with a different set of properties. Fleets of

Game Features
Play against the AI players or on your own, or with other players online.
Play as long as you like: start as early as ? and finish in 2050. There will be new vehicles and buildings throughout this period.
If you manage your transport network well, cities will develop and merge forming large metropolises.
Simutrans was not always this neat. It took a long time and many struggles.
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: Fifty on January 06, 2013, 05:16:52 PM
Here are some corrections on the development page: (bold add, strike remove)
  • Simutrans is an open source software (and some graphic paks are freeware). (paragraph 1)
  • We would like to say here give? a very big "THANK YOU" to everyone, <-(remove that comma) who has helped to get the game this far! (2)
  • ...and on in our thanks page (2)
  • You can join us at the Simutrans forum (3)
  • team of coders, which frequently requently incorporates patches (4)
  • you can help it by thorough thourough testing. (under bug reports)
  • It is very simple and quite satisfying to see one's one own creation run in Simutrans. (under new objects)
maybe more later....

Edit: Download page: Manual download, download additional graphic packages or install a Simutrans at your way. ?? makes no sense! how about: Download program and graphics sets individually?
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: jamespetts on January 06, 2013, 05:38:25 PM
On the home page:

Quote
Interconnect cities, districts, public buildings, industries and tourist attractions by buiding a transport network you always dreamed of.

I am not fond of ending the sentence with a preoposition ("of") - but, that aside, it looks sloppy without a "that" between "network" and "you".

Also on the home page:

Quote
Control and watch your finances and the traffic of your vehicles and goods. Start in 1880 and finish in 2050. There will be new vehicles and buildings throughout this time.

Firstly, factually this is incorrect, as some paksets (notably Pak128.Britain) go back as far as 1750. Secondly, this does not read very well. "Throughout this time" does not fit the style of the rest of the paragraph. Also, "the traffic of your vehicles and goods" does not make sense - traffic cannot be "of" vehicles. How about:

Control your finances and manage your expanding transport network, starting in early times and finishing decades in the future. Upgrade your services as towns and cities grow, new industries are founded, and new types of vehicles, roads, rails, ports, airports and stations and much more become available through time.

It is difficult to give exact years, I think, since it varies by pakset: some do not support starting earlier than 1930 (or even 1950), and some, as noted above, support starting in the mid-18th century.



On the development (http://www.simutrans.com/development.htm) page.

Quote
Simutrans is an open source software (and some graphic paks are freeware).

"An software" is not correct. Also, we need to be clearer what the licence is: I suggest linking to the text of the Artistic Licence in the following text:

Simutrans is free and open source software, released under the terms of the [link]Artistic Licence 1.0.

The paksets need to be treated separately, especially since people navigating to that page for the first time might not know what a "graphics pak" (which we normally call "pakset") is. I suggest using the word "pakset", but hyperlinking it to a page explaining what paksets are and giving a list of them.

Quote
We would like to say here a very big "THANK YOU" to everyone, who has helped to get the game this far! Without this kind of voluntary help, this game would not have ever been possible. You can find a full list of contributors in thanks.txt and credits.txt in your Simutrans installation root, and in our Thanks page. Please say thanks too, if you like the game!

First of all, the capitalisation of "thank you" is not a good form of emphasis, and the exclamation points are somewhat excessive. Also - who exactly are the "we" that are thanking the developers? Further, the comma between "everyone" and "who" in the first sentence ought not be there. How about:

Players of Simutrans worldwide are eternally indebted to the tireless endeavours of the team of dedicated developers who have worked for years, and continue to work, to make the game what it is to-day.  You can find a full list of contributors in thanks.txt and credits.txt in your Simutrans install directory and on our thanks page. If you would like to show your appreciation, post a little message [link to praise forum]here.

Quote
This community is open to everyone who would like to contribute their ideas and time to make the game better. You can join us at Simutrans Forum.

We need a definite article ("the") between "at" and "Simutrans forum".

Quote
Simutrans source code is developed by a team of coders, which requently incorporates patches submitted by people who want to contribute to the development of Simutrans.

There ought to be a "the" at the beginning of the sentence, and the second clause (words after "which") is unclear. Also, the bold for "team of developers" looks a little odd. How about:

The Simutrans source code is developed and maintained by a team of coders who work in their spare time

We can omit the second clause entirely, since we do not here need to distinguish in describing the "Simutrans team" between those with SVN access and those who submit patches - would one say, for example, that Kieron is not part of the "Simutrans team" because he does not have SVN access?

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All details about the development, repository and compiling of the source code can be found in the Development and Bug Reports section of the Simutrans forum. The forum is the first address to discuss or receive help on compiling simutrans and related questions.

This needs updating, as there is now no subforum called "development and bug reports". We probably should point to the forum generally and just omit "the Development and Bug reports section of" from the above. Also, "address" should be replaced by "place" in the second sentence, and "Simutrans" should have a capital "S".

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Simutrans is programmed in C++ programming language, and the source code of the current development stage can be obtained via subversion or git:

The word "the" needs to be inserted between "in" and "C++" (as there is only one C++ programming language), and it might be good to add a hyperlink on the text of "C++ programming language" to the official C++ website. Also, "Subversion" and "Git" need capital letters, as both are proper nouns.

Further, the repositories do not just have the current stage of development, but full histories, so it is best to remove the words "of the current development stage".

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Even if you do not know enough about programming, you can help it by thourough testing. Also for those, who want to experience the latest features and are not afraid of bugs, there are nightly builts for Windows, Linux, and Mac and several pak-sets available.

"Builts" is not a word - it should be "builds". The first sentence is unclear - know enough about programming for what exactly? And what is the "it"? I suggest rephrasing to:

Even if you have no knowledge or experience of computer programming, you can help in the development of Simutrans by testing it and reporting bugs. To test the latest version in development, there are nightly builds available for Windows, Linux and Mac as well as several paksets. Report bugs in the [link]bug reports section of the forum.

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Thanks to Volker Meyer for his design of Simutrans pakfile system...

We should standardise on "pakset" rather than "graphics pak" "pak-set" and "pakfile". We should also link "pakset system" to a page explaining what a pakset is, and listing those currently available.

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Our wiki will tell you many things about creating addons. Additionally, at the Simutrans Forum there are many helpful people, who will answer your question on the creation of objetcs.

"Objects" is mis-spelled in the last sentence, and also the commas in the last sentence are inconsistent. I suggest:

Additionally, there are many helpful people at the [link]Simutrans forum who can answer your questions and help with the creation of new objects for the game

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You can easily help us to translate Simutrans to your mother tongue. Please use SimuTranslator, this on-line tool allows cooperative work on translations so even small help is useful and very welcome.

The comma after "SimuTranslator" ought be replaced with a colon or a dash.



The Community (http://www.simutrans.com/community.htm) page.

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Besides the community forums, you can find news about Simutrans world and our community. And we have a chat room too.

This is unclear in content, as well as lacking a definite article ("the") between "about" and "Simutrans"; where can players find this news? Also, a conjunction such as "and" ought not start a sentence; a semi-colon instead of a full stop after "community" (and replacing the capital "A" in "And" with a lower-case "a") would work better.

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You are welcome to become a member of Simutrans Community.

Again, we need "the" between "of" and "Simutrans".

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German Simutrans Forum - A forum dedicated for German speaker visitors.

"Speaker" here should be "speaking", and the same applies to the description text for the Japanese forum.

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We created a blog where we post what is most interesting news of our community, Simutrans development, releases of material that the communty is working on:

"What is most interesting news" does not quite make sense. I suggest:

We have created a 'blog on which we post news about Simutrans, including development of the game itself and of paksets, and Simutrans community news

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Also we have a Chat Room where you can talk about anything on Simutrans:

"Chat Room" ought not be capitalised - "chat room" is better, and "on" is not correct - "relating to" is better.
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: wlindley on January 06, 2013, 06:17:29 PM
  • Cover page: "Simutrans is a freeware..." No, it is freeware, not "a freeware" -- you have one piece of hardware, one piece of freeware, one piece of clothing, not "one clothing."  Or we could say, "Simutrans is a free and open-source..."
  • community.htm: "The International Simutrans Forum - Home of the Simutrans community."  (missing "the")
  • Could we add a discussion of Simutrans Experimental, and links to it and its paks?
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: prissi on January 06, 2013, 11:17:02 PM
freeware is used as an attribute. Simutrans is a ... transport game with ... = freeware and open source
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: Ters on January 07, 2013, 05:48:14 AM
As prissi points out, a isn't the article for freeware, but for transport game. The sentence still seems odd. Perhaps "Simutrans is an open-source freeware transportation simulation game"? (Maybe there should be a comma after open-source.)
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: IgorEliezer on January 07, 2013, 08:59:41 AM
Thanks for the feedbacks.

Considering the texts in the site are 3 or 4 years old, there are lots of outdated info. Feel free to propose new, accurate and shorter texts to replace the current ones, even if we have to rewrite some parts. The site is not meant to document everything since we have a Wiki (http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki_9/tiki-index.php), it's just for a new player to get started and find the directions for further info. :)
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: prissi on January 08, 2013, 10:56:56 PM
Simutrans is a transport game, open souce and easily modded

Freeware is only true for few paks, and more or less victim of the times. Nowaday open source is what 15 years ago was freeware then.
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: Ters on January 09, 2013, 05:46:09 AM
Considering there is such a thing as open source payware, it doesn't hurt to keep calling Simutrans both freeware and open-sourced.
Title: Re: www.simutrans.com - Misspellings, grammar and wrong info: LET'S KILL 'EM ALL!
Post by: jamespetts on January 09, 2013, 10:48:45 AM
How about the well-known expression "free and open source"? "Freeware" has a specific connotation of free but closed source.
Title: Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com (old topic 2)
Post by: IgorEliezer on February 16, 2013, 05:31:00 PM
Another topic about outdated thing.

Since we've got a new site, from now on, discussions, bug reports and ideas for the simutrans.com site must take place here: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=11482.0 (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=11482.0)

EDIT: Topic split, thus relevant posts to the new site are there too. Nothing was lost. :>