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Title: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on November 16, 2008, 04:33:31 PM
There are now 7 wikis.

Tikiwiki (http://wiki.simutrans-germany.com/) ( German, English, Swedish, Czech, Português ) Development section (http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=150) 20 languages
english (http://en.wiki.simutrans.com/) ( Mediawiki ) out dated - moved to Tikiwiki
japanese (http://www.japanese.simutrans.com/) ( Pukiwiki )
french (http://fr.wiki.simutrans.com/) ( Mediawiki )
spanish (http://es.wiki.simutrans.com/) ( Mediawiki )
italian (http://it.wiki.simutrans.com/) ( Mediawiki )

Programming Wiki (http://simutrans.wiki.sourceforge.net/) english, not editable by normal users
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Dwachs on March 04, 2009, 07:52:50 AM
Dat-reference on the German wiki:

http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=en_dat_Files

The pages on the 'German wiki' are partly translated to English (and other languages). Pages in German are usually up-to-date. Any help with translation is appreciated. This wiki allows anonymous edits.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: jamespetts on April 13, 2009, 04:15:03 PM
I hope that I am posting this in the right place - I should like to apply for a Wiki account. I am interested in completing the .dat file reference for the English language.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on April 13, 2009, 04:59:24 PM
for Tikiwiki wiki.simutrans-germany.com (http://wiki.simutrans-germany.com) register in wiki your self

other wikis ( MediaWiki ) create a admin your account
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: jamespetts on April 13, 2009, 05:03:07 PM
The Tikiwiki is just in the German language, isn't it? I tried creating an account in MediaWiki, but there was no option, and I was directed to the forum to ask somebody here to create an account for me, which is what I was doing with the message above...
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on April 13, 2009, 05:12:38 PM
The Tikiwiki is just in the German language, isn't it? ...

the development section is in 21 languages

en (http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=en_dat_Files)
en-uk (http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=en-uk_dat-Files)


missing the text, parameters to 95 % completly
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: jamespetts on April 13, 2009, 05:23:46 PM
Ahh, I see. Is the Tikiwiki the most up-to-date one, then? I was under the impression from the original post in this thread that that wiki was only German.

Edit: Whenever I tried to register on that page, it gave me an error without any further information (it just said "Error" at the top, and, further down, "You are not logged in").
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on April 13, 2009, 05:33:38 PM
...
Edit: Whenever I tried to register on that page, it gave me an error without any further information (it just said "Error" at the top, and, further down, "You are not logged in").

Javascript and Cookies activated?
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: jamespetts on April 13, 2009, 05:42:08 PM
I think so...
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on April 16, 2009, 02:21:35 AM
the register page (http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-register.php) works for me ( testet de-IE7 and en-FF3 )

you can edited en and other languages by anonymous

de require register
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: jamespetts on April 16, 2009, 07:55:51 PM
I tried again using IE-tab, but I had no success - it still gave an error message that simply said "error". Also, that wiki is in German - I cannot find the English version. Is it  not possible to register for the MediaWiki?
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: VS on April 16, 2009, 08:43:07 PM
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Seriously. Who is that mythical admin of English wiki? Last I remember it was Benjad - and that was perhaps two years back. Now try perhaps Dirk Burkholz (dburkholz?) and Kristian (aka stormoog).

If nobody steps up within a week, I will edit database and proclaim a random user of choice new admin for life. And cage him so that he can't run away like the previous failed experiments 8)

German wiki is lately more offline than my grandmother :( edit: ok, now it is back. Probably bad timing (every day?).
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on April 17, 2009, 01:57:27 AM
... Also, that wiki is in German - I cannot find the English version. ...

because nobody in the last 1 1/2 years managed the German translated into English

english development section (http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=en_Devel_index)

in english Mediawiki in last 1 years no write a user a longer texts

the English Mediawiki has not even the contents of the old English Tikiwikis after nearly 2 years

...
German wiki is lately more offline than my grandmother :( edit: ok, now it is back. Probably bad timing (every day?).

I have no problems, and I call on the wiki several times daily on
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Seth C Triggs on April 25, 2009, 05:28:26 AM
If I may, I would maybe like to take a shot at at least trying to update a little bit of the Wiki reference- I've been playing with Simutrans for about 9 years now. And I will try to exploit as many of the features in some test games and perhaps have English text to contribute for the wiki.

Heheh though interestingly the development moves at light speed with Simutrans.

-Seth
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Dirk Burkholz on April 29, 2009, 04:16:36 PM
Seriously. Who is that mythical admin of English wiki? Last I remember it was Benjad - and that was perhaps two years back. Now try perhaps Dirk Burkholz (dburkholz?) and Kristian (aka stormoog).
I'm still administrating the English wiki and even seldomly adding new users. Unfortunately none of them are contributing currently...
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: sojo on April 29, 2009, 05:43:01 PM
I'm still administrating the English wiki and even seldomly adding new users. Unfortunately none of them are contributing currently...
My idea was to make the english-wiki much better. This was for a lot of month. But I wanted no new dispute with Frank.

And I think the german-wiki can used with english. So is the english wiki important?

What wiki do you use? The german (in english) or the english?
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: vilvoh on April 29, 2009, 09:48:11 PM
Well, I've always considered that German wiki was and is more complete. It contains a lot of specific info about dat files and object attributes. English wiki is more general (how to install, how to play, tips, tricks, etc..)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: sojo on April 30, 2009, 07:48:32 AM
Well, I've always considered that German wiki was and is more complete. It contains a lot of specific info about dat files and object attributes. English wiki is more general (how to install, how to play, tips, tricks, etc..)
Ok. But wich wiki do you suport?
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: vilvoh on April 30, 2009, 07:55:35 AM
mainly, the ES version of english wiki..
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: sojo on April 30, 2009, 09:20:43 AM
Should we have a poll?
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: vilvoh on April 30, 2009, 09:34:03 AM
About what? Which wiki should the community support? Why not.. :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: sojo on April 30, 2009, 01:11:31 PM
About what? Which wiki should the community support? Why not.. :)
Frank make a very good job at the german wiki. But we don't know what wiki will used from english-speaking people.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: vilvoh on April 30, 2009, 01:40:34 PM
Do you mean if it's worth to translate the german wiki to english or use the *official* wiki and add new stuff there from german wiki?
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: sojo on April 30, 2009, 01:50:25 PM
I think, it is possible to translate at the german-wiki.

Edit: But this is not important, if all people search in the eng. Wiki. So we don't know what the user need.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: vilvoh on April 30, 2009, 02:09:47 PM
Therefore, what we really need to know first is which wiki is more used. I suggest you to create a poll at Simutrans Discussion board with the following content:

Question: What wiki do you use/visit more?
Options: German wiki -- English wiki -- Native language wiki (ES, IT, JP, FR)--- wiki? what wiki?
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: sojo on April 30, 2009, 02:21:07 PM
How many wikis there are?
How are the Internet addresses?

First is the german wiki (TikiWiki): http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php (No english mainpage, I think)
Second the englisch wiki (MediaWiki): http://en.wiki.simutrans.com/index.php/Main_Page (some pages are in italian)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: vilvoh on April 30, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
the Simutrans wiki frontpage is wiki.simutrans.com, from where you can access to EN, ES, JP, FR, DE and IT wikis.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: sojo on April 30, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
Is this all the same MediaWiki? I mean, there is no cross-linking between this wikis.

Ok. I will build a poll.

Edit: Oh. I can't make a poll in Simutrans discussion.  :(
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: vilvoh on April 30, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
As far as I know, all are independent wikis, but actually I'm not sure at all.

For the poll, ask to an admin...
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on April 30, 2009, 03:32:16 PM
The question is not: Waht for wiki?

The question is: Dat reference from tikiwiki for all languages?

yes or no
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: vilvoh on April 30, 2009, 03:36:47 PM
From my part, I would use german wiki as Dat Reference for all languages and english wiki for the rest of things (tips, howto's, etc..)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Dirk Burkholz on April 30, 2009, 03:42:20 PM
As far as I know, all are independent wikis, but actually I'm not sure at all.
The wikis are independent.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: sojo on April 30, 2009, 06:21:32 PM
The german link at wiki.simutrans.com is broken. The www. is to much.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: jamespetts on April 30, 2009, 07:33:06 PM
Really, it does not make any sense to have more than one wiki per language...
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on May 02, 2009, 07:11:02 AM
The german link at wiki.simutrans.com is broken. The www. is to much.

done
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Zeno on May 02, 2009, 08:03:44 AM
Really, it does not make any sense to have more than one wiki per language...
IMHO it does not make any sense to have more than one wiki, no matter the number of languages... but things aren't always just as we'd like ;)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: VS on May 02, 2009, 09:39:33 AM
First things first, we need people to actually manage these wikis, and then we can talk about using them! All evidence speaks in favour of using the German wiki as main one:
a) active admin
b) can register
c) up to date

Edit: Since Dirk is here, no need to dive into the depths of binary codes in Mediawiki database :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Dirk Burkholz on May 02, 2009, 09:49:50 AM
a) active admin
Hey, I'm still alive! ;) The main problem aren't admins but contributors. Let's talk about contribution first instead of technology.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Dirk Burkholz on May 02, 2009, 10:07:48 AM
I've looked up some information:

French wiki is administrated by Lmallet only. There's currently one active contributor.
Spanish wiki is administrated by vilvoh and Zeno. There's currently no active contributor.
Italian wiki is administrated by Ozone only. There's currently no active contributor.
English wiki is administrated by me only. There's currently no active contributor.

I've planned some software updates within May.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: VS on May 02, 2009, 10:43:29 AM
OK, you are right. Maybe the problem is walking in circles. Until now, it seemed to me that almost all wikis are dead because nobody can register.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Dirk Burkholz on May 02, 2009, 10:47:10 AM
Until now, it seemed to me that almost all wikis are dead because nobody can register.
I will have a look into that. Older versions of MediaWiki suffered from letting spammers in but the new versions should avoid that.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Seth C Triggs on May 02, 2009, 03:32:44 PM
Dirk, I would like to contribute to the English wiki.

-Seth
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Dwachs on May 05, 2009, 06:15:57 AM
The question is: Dat reference from tikiwiki for all languages?

My suggestion would be, to use the dat-reference in the 'German' wiki.
http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=en_dat_Files
Although this wiki is mainly in German, many pages are translated into English at least.

These pages are ready for anonymous translations in several languages. It is possible to translate only small parts of a page (see this icons on the right of each page). I must admit that writing in this wiki feels sometimes like hacking. However, Frank has put (and is putting) a lot of effort in these pages to keep them up-to-date. So there is no need to start from scratch with your favorite language.

Please: just help translating ;)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: The Hood on May 05, 2009, 07:39:38 AM
The German wiki dat reference is miles better (more up to date, more examples, etc) than the current English one, so I suggest a full English translation of the German dat reference (wherever it ends up being posted on the web!)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Seth C Triggs on May 08, 2009, 11:24:18 PM
I'm currently trying to flesh out and add links for different entries. This will be a big project and it will go slow as I also have to upload images too. But hopefully you all might like the current edits. It's slow going but steady!

I try to do a little bit each day.

-Seth
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Seth C Triggs on May 20, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
New images are not added, however I have begun to expand the tool descriptions. I also made a bunch of other miscellaneous changes that you can see in the Recent Changes section.

If anyone has any priorities of things they would like to see documented in the Wiki, please let me know.

I'm also trying to add new categories to aid navigation, and eventually I hope to have some templates at the bottom that will allow rapid browsing of the items in a toolbar.

-Seth
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: whoami on May 23, 2009, 11:56:22 PM
(Sorry for dropping in so late, I don't have enough time to properly follow the whole forum's activity.)

Apart from a serious lack of spare time, there were several problems that prohibited me from writing more in the (English) Wiki, and I think these are not specific to me alone:
- redundancy with user+reference guides, redundancy with other websites and forum boards, redundancy with translated pages in German Wiki
- unknown audience (beginners, people who want to look into the depths of gameplay, pak creators, developers)
- the high speed of development in ST, which can make documentation obsolete quickly
- uncertainty with standardized terminology (similar for simutranslator)
- lack of experience with (and lack of) proper graphics tools (for illustration), but this got better
- lack of existing structure (interconnected pages); several pages should be split up, because they try to cover too much already

Frank copied pak-creation-specific pages to other languages within the German Wiki, to have them translated, but litte happened (sorry). The main obstacle in that for me is that editing in Tiki-Wiki feels rather awkward, I still haven't learnt (or cared to learn) its syntax (which seems so many strange tags). In Media-Wiki (which I also use elsewhere), I can just start typing.

I hesitated to take Frank's (well, nearly 100% of the German Wiki's content is from him) texts and pictures, and put them - translated - into the English Wiki.

Apart from Pak/Dat info (which Frank supplies already), what should go into the Wiki? I suggest these:
- FAQ, so many help requests can be answered with a link to them; this can include hidden features, known limitations, differences to other games of the same genre (TTD is covered to some extent)
- in-depth description of game behaviour, including effects of configuration file parameters
- "best practices", building techniques, common solutions and strategies
- links to further information sources (e.g. pak-specific info) and websites (e.g. addons), including forum discussions

(Description of ST's internals (source code) is IIRC supposed to go into dev Wiki - I can't find the link right now.)

Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on May 24, 2009, 09:30:09 AM
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(Description of ST's internals (source code) is IIRC supposed to go into dev Wiki - I can't find the link right now.)



http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=826.msg7239#msg7239 (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=826.msg7239#msg7239)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: IgorEliezer on May 24, 2009, 05:05:54 PM
Frankly, we need a serious discussion about all Simutrans Documentation that is dispersed everywhere. :(

I would prefer that all Simutrans docs, tutorials, texts, e-books, wikis and anything related to "how to play, extend and develop Simutrans" should be stored in one place. I know this will involve Ormac, whoami, Frank, Prissi and other members, active and non-active ones. But it's better a team maintaining a single site than each person maintaining lonely a site.

(edited post)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 09, 2011, 02:40:39 AM
Hi,

I would like to translate the sentence "Table of contents".

(http://i.imgur.com/NXzaM.png)

How to do it?  :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on March 09, 2011, 09:25:55 AM
'Table of contents' must translate in language files from Tikiwiki

done
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: IgorEliezer on March 09, 2011, 02:52:54 PM
Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis (Wiki is down - System Error)
Post by: IgorEliezer on July 10, 2011, 10:30:16 PM
Something bad happened to the wiki:

Quote
Tiki is unable to connect to the database

Things to check:

    Is your database up and running?

    Are your database credentials accurate? (username, database name, etc in db/local.php)

EDIT:

Seems to be fixed now. :S

Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Dwachs on July 11, 2011, 04:32:39 PM
There are a lot spam comments on some pages. Most prominently on the start page. I do not know who can delete them :/
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: vilvoh on July 11, 2011, 07:25:45 PM
What role do you have, dwachs?
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Dwachs on July 12, 2011, 11:17:27 AM
What role do you have, dwachs?
Nothing high up in the hierarchy, although I am allowed to edit German pages.

Somebody deleted the comments. I could have done this myself now, but I am pretty sure I was not allowed to do so last time I logged in.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: An_dz on July 12, 2011, 06:04:04 PM
Somebody, Frank or Susanna, added you as an Editor, and editors can delete comments.
There's nothing on shoutbox, where sometimes we list who we deleted for spamming.
Title: Re: Simutrans Wikis
Post by: Frank on September 30, 2015, 08:14:19 AM
....
french (http://fr.wiki.simutrans.com/) ( Mediawiki )
spanish (http://es.wiki.simutrans.com/) ( Mediawiki )
italian (http://it.wiki.simutrans.com/) ( Mediawiki )

....

In existence of which still care?