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Title: How to get Simutrans-Experimental [Deprecated]
Post by: jamespetts on April 12, 2009, 03:33:32 PM
Note: These instructions are now deprecated. See here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=16703) for how to get the latest vesrion. However, the legacy versions referred to below (Simutrans-Experimental 11.x) will remain available indefinitely in case anybody has a reason to use the older version.

Latest [legacy] version


The latest version of Simutrans-Experimental is Simutrans 112.3 Experimental 11.35. The release date is: the 30th of June 2014. The latest set of the configuration files for Simutrans-Experimental was released on the 20th of July 2013. The latest version of Makeobj-Experimental was released on the 20th of January 2014. Please note that .pak files compiled with Makeobj-Experimental 11.0 or later are not compatible with Simutrans-Experimental 10.27 or earlier.

Complete packages

A .zip file containing all the files needed to run Simutrans-Experimental (containing Simutrans-Experimental version 11.35 and Pak128.Britain-Ex version 0.9.1 (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=13185.0)) is available for Windows, and can be downloaded here (http://www.bridgewater-brunel.me.uk/downloads/Simutrans-Experimental-Complete.zip). This is the easiest way of installing Simutrans-Experimental for beginners. To install it, just download the .zip file, extract it into a convenient folder, and run Simutrans-Experimental.exe. To make accessing it easier, create a shortcut to Simutrans-Experimental.exe on the desktop and/or start menu.

Complete packages for other platforms are not yet available - you will need to download Simutrans-Standard and one or more paksets in the usual way (see here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1536.0) for a tutorial), then get the Simutrans-Experimental program file (executable), and add it into your Simutrans directory.

In future, I plan for there there to be automated installer packages for each platform.

Program files (main)
(Executable binaries)

Windows

To download the Windows executable for Simutrans-Experimental, click here (http://bridgewater-brunel.me.uk/downloads/Simutrans-Experimental.zip). Then, unzip that file into your \Simutrans folder. It will not over-write your existing Simutrans executable, as it has a different name. You can then choose whether to run Simutrans.exe (the normal program: Simutrans-Standard) or Simutrans-Experimental.exe (this version). Be sure also to install the included bzip.dll in the same directory as Simutrans.exe.

Depending on your configuration, you may also need to download and install the MSVC++ redistributable package, available from Microsoft here (http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=30679). If you get the error message, "The application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect" in Windows XP, or "Application failed to start because side-by-side configuration is incorrect" (Vista) when you try to run Simutrans-Experimental, then you will need to download and install these files. You may also need to extract the bzlib.dll, pthreadVC2.dll and/or pthreadVCE2.dll file included with the binaries .zip package to make Simutrans-Experimental work if you do not already have this file installed.

Linux

Unfortunately, the automatic Linux builds are currently not working, and the versions linked below are older versions. I recommend that people compile their own for Linux at the present. To download the Linux executable for Simutrans-Experimental, click here (http://www.43-1.org/%7Esimutrans/simutrans-exp/i386/simutrans-exp-latest) for the i386 (32-bit) version, or here (http://www.43-1.org/%7Esimutrans/simutrans-exp/amd64/simutrans-exp-latest) for the amd64 (64-bit) version. Make sure to use the correct version for your platform. Once the file has downloaded, transfer it to your /simutrans directory. Run it by typing the executable name (for example, "simutrans-exp-latest") at the command line, or set up your window manager to execute that command from a menu or icon (how to do this will depend on which window manager (e.g., Gnome or KDE) that you use). Your existing installation of Simutrans-Standard will be unaffected. You will need to make the file executable by using the following command: chmod 0700 simutrans-exp-latest. A version with full debugging information is also available: get it here (http://www.43-1.org/%7Esimutrans/simutrans-exp/i386/simutrans-exp-latest-dbg) for 32-bit, or here (http://www.43-1.org/%7Esimutrans/simutrans-exp/amd64/simutrans-exp-latest-dbg) for 64-bit.

Very big thanks to Ansgar for providing automatic Linux builds for Simutrans-Experimental. Please note that, because these are compiled automatically, there may be a slight delay between the release of a new version of Simutrans-Experimental and the availability of the latest version of Linux binaries.

For running a Simutrans-Experimental server with remote administration, a specially compiled text only binary is necessary. The 64-bit (x64) version of that (together with Nettool) is available here (http://bridgewater-brunel.me.uk/downloads/linux-x64-server-binaries.tar).

Mac OS X

Mac OS X versions of Simutrans-Experimental are not regularly compiled, however, M. Collett has very kindly provided a one off build of version 11.31, which can be found here (http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simutrans-experimental-11.31.zip).

I should be very grateful if anyone could set up an automatic build for Mac OS X.

Amiga

What is now a very old version version of Simutrans-Experimental for Amiga OS 4.1 can be downloaded here (http://www.kolumbus.fi/%7Ey609773/amiga/simutrans-ex-os4bin.lha). The latest version available is 7.3, which is now very out of date and does not include a substantial number of Simutrans-Experimental features. I cannot assist with installation instructions for Amiga, as I am unfamiliar with the platform. If anyone can assist in producing installation instructions for the Amiga platform, that would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks to Thematic for the Amiga compile.

If anyone would like to make a more up to date build for Amiga, that would be most welcome.

Program files (Makeobj)
(Executable binaries)

Makeobj is the command-line application used to make assets (vehicles, buildings, roads, etc.) for the game. It takes a set of .png images and some specially formatted text files (with the extension ".dat") and turns them into .pak files, which can be read by the game. Simutrans-Experimental has a number of new features which use new parameters in those .dat files. To make assets that take full advantage of the new features of Simutrans-Experimental, the accompanying version of Makeobj must be used.

Windows

Makeobj is now included with the Windows binary package, here (http://bridgewater-brunel.me.uk/downloads/Simutrans-Experimental.zip). After downloading it, unzip that file into your \simutrans directory.

Linux

Unfortunately, the automatic Linux builds are currently not working, and the versions linked below are older versions. I recommend that people compile their own for Linux at the present. To download the Linux executable for Makeobj-Experimental, click here (http://www.43-1.org/%7Esimutrans/simutrans-exp/i386/makeobj-exp-latest) for the i386 (32-bit) version, or here (http://www.43-1.org/%7Esimutrans/simutrans-exp/amd64/makeobj-exp-latest) for the amd64 (64-bit) version. Many thanks to Ansgar for his Linux versions of Makeobj. As with the Windows versions, these versions have a different name to the standard versions, so should not over-write anything if installed in the same directory.

Mac OS X

An very old version of Makeobj (6.7) is available for MacOS X here (http://jtoomim.org/code/makeobj-experimental-6.7). Because it is an older version, however, it will not compile objects with features introduced since that version. Anyone who would like to volunteer to make regular release builds of a Mac OS X executable, please PM me. Anyone who would like to use a later version of Makeobj-Experimental on the Mac OS X platform will need to compile it from the source code for the time being.

Amiga

There is no currently available Makeobj version for the Amiga platform. Anyone who would like to volunteer to make regular release builds of an Amiga executable, please PM me. Anyone who would like to use Makeobj-Experimental on the Amiga platform will need to compile it from the source code for the time being.

Program files (Nettool)
(Executable binaries)

Nettool is the command-line application used to administer a Simutrans network server remotely. Nettool can shut down the server, announce it, kick/ban players, send admin. messages, and force a resync.

Windows

The Windows version of Nettool is now included in the main Windows binary package, listed above.

Linux

A Linux x64 version of Nettool is available for download here (https://github.com/downloads/jamespetts/simutrans-experimental/linux-x64-server-binaries.tar). Note that this version is bundled with the server binary.

Other platforms

Nettool-Experimental is currently not available as a pre-compiled binary for other platforms, although I am hoping for Linux support soon. If anyone would like to volunteer to produce pre-compiled binaries for Nettool, please let me know, as I should be most grateful.

Data files (Paksets)

Simutrans-Experimental can use all of the normal Simutrans-Standard paksets (such as Pak64 and Pak128) without any modification. However, to take advantage of some of some of Simutrans-Experimental's unique features (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1959.0), a pakset made for Simutrans-Experimental is required. See here (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=2313.0) for more information on Simutrans-Experimental compatible paksets. Note that paksets are not platform specific: i.e., the same pakset can be used on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, etc., without any modification.

Source code

Both Simutrans-Standard and Simutrans-Experimental are open source (http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd) software. They are distributed under the Artistic Licence (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license-1.0.php). Furthermore, it is cross-platform code, so should compile on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X or even BeOs of either 32 or 64 bits.

The source code for Simutrans-Experimental is hosted and managed by a version control system called "Git (http://git-scm.com/)". The source code can be found on this Github page: simutrans-experimental (http://github.com/jamespetts/simutrans-experimental/tree/master). Simutrans-Standard is mirrored on Git here: simutrans (http://github.com/aburch/simutrans/tree/master). See here (http://kylecordes.com/2008/04/30/git-windows-go/) or here (http://nathanj.github.com/gitguide/) for a tutorial on using Git for Windows, here (http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gittutorial.html) for a tutorial on using Git on Linux, and here (http://wwdevries.net/2008/04/14/how-to-install-git-on-mac-os-x/) for some information on using Git with Mac OS X.

Configuration files

Simutrans-Experimental uses the same format of configuration files as Simutrans-Standard, but there are additional options and features in Simutrans-Experimental that can be configured, and there are also one or two additional configuration files required. Here (http://bridgewater-brunel.me.uk/downloads/simutrans-experimental-config.zip) is a set of configuration files for Simutrans-Experimental.

Extract the two folders (/config and /text) into the folder that you use for Simutrans-Experimental (e.g. ../simutrans-experimental). Do not put these files into individual pakset folders (e.g. ../simutrans-experimental/pak/config), as these configuration files are the base files, not the pakset specific files. The files in /config set configuration options for Simutrans-Experimental. The files are documented with comments.

The files in /text provide additional texts for the game: Simutrans-Standard requires certain additional texts to Simutrans-Standard. As of version 5.1 (18th of July 2009), all language translation texts are included. However, only certain languages have full translations for Simutrans-Experimental. They are:

If anyone would like to produce translation texts for any other language, the texts are available on Simutranslator (http://simutrans-germany.com/translator/).
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Nathan Samson on July 13, 2009, 11:17:59 AM
/me wonders what the purpose of the config git repository is

It is not updated since the initial commit on the 20'th of june but new config files were released with the latest simutrans-experimental
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on July 13, 2009, 02:49:15 PM
Oops - I forgot that this was separate from the text one. I will update it when I get home this evening. Thank you for reminding me!

Edit: Updated.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Maragil on July 20, 2009, 08:40:57 PM
For Linux, at least on OpenSuse- remember to chmod the simutrans executable to let it run.

chmod 0700 simutrans-exp-latest
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on July 20, 2009, 08:52:22 PM
Maragil,

thank you very much for that - I have added your instruction to the main post :-)
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 18, 2009, 09:06:52 AM
It would appear that the link to the latest version are not working?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on August 23, 2009, 06:23:46 PM
Fixed now.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 24, 2009, 08:11:22 PM
Fixed now.

Sorry James but as of this moment in time the link is still returning "This Webpage Cannot Be Found". Even the new link for v6.5.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on August 24, 2009, 09:54:28 PM
Colin,

thank you for the report: sorry that you are having trouble. I have now updated the links to the new Simutrans-Experimental FTP service very kindly provided by Isaac - tell me if those work for you :-)
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 25, 2009, 03:00:58 AM
Colin,

thank you for the report: sorry that you are having trouble. I have now updated the links to the new Simutrans-Experimental FTP service very kindly provided by Isaac - tell me if those work for you :-)

Just tried the new link to the binaries same result. I'll try again later just in case there is something wrong my end.

 Ok I've been trying for the last hour or so and I'm getting the same results. I'm running IE8, but I use compatability mode when going to web sites that may not have caught up with the latest technology.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: mwoodburn81 on August 25, 2009, 06:05:59 PM
The first link is http://ftp//experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/Simutrans-Experimental%20Complete.zip it should be ftp://experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/Simutrans-Experimental%20Complete.zip.  Also, even with the corrected link, I still get an empty file.    The 2nd link works, but the download is semi-slow.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 25, 2009, 08:04:29 PM
The first link is http://ftp//experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/Simutrans-Experimental%20Complete.zip it should be ftp://experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/Simutrans-Experimental%20Complete.zip.  Also, even with the corrected link, I still get an empty file.    The 2nd link works, but the download is semi-slow.

When I add :// after ftp to make it ftp://as soon as I click the link it converts it back to just ftp//

I'm not sure what you mean by '2nd link'? I can only find a link to v 6.4 and one to v6.5 they are both labeled Binaries and both go nowhere.

Also! If I click either of the Linux Binarie Links I get pages of machine language/windings/hieroglyphics
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: mwoodburn81 on August 25, 2009, 08:12:16 PM
I am referring to the two links in the "Complete packages" section.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: VS on August 25, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
I fixed the broken FTP links in James' first post. Or rather hope that I found all of these links.

Forum is being stubborn and thinks it knows better than humans. For ftp links, use [.ftp.] instead of [.url.] and it will give in (sans the dots of course).
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 25, 2009, 08:57:10 PM
I fixed the broken FTP links in James' first post. Or rather hope that I found all of these links.

Forum is being stubborn and thinks it knows better than humans. For ftp links, use [.ftp.] instead of [.url.] and it will give in (sans the dots of course).

 This is the link as of this moment in time.  http://ftp//experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/simutrans-experimental.zip It doesn't work.
What are you suggesting be changed?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: VS on August 26, 2009, 04:28:09 PM
I meant to say that I fixed the first post, nothing beyond that. The correct link from what you posted (last) is this:

ftp://experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/simutrans-experimental.zip (ftp://experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/simutrans-experimental.zip)
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 27, 2009, 03:48:49 AM
I meant to say that I fixed the first post, nothing beyond that. The correct link from what you posted (last) is this:

ftp://experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/simutrans-experimental.zip (ftp://experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/simutrans-experimental.zip)

Sorry this one doesn't work either.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: knightly on August 27, 2009, 04:43:35 AM
ftp://experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/simutrans-experimental.zip (ftp://experimental.simutrans.us/public_ftp/simutrans-experimental.zip)

The above link doesn't work for me either. And the link for the usual zipped file (with both GDI and SDL binaries) also doesn't work for me.

I can access the website forum.simutrans.us, though.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: VS on August 27, 2009, 09:00:17 AM
Oh. You are right. It's just the corrected link so I assumed it would be all right. Apparently the file is not there as well... :-\
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 28, 2009, 06:17:27 AM
Strange, the silence of James on this subject??
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Isaac.Eiland-Hall on August 28, 2009, 08:41:19 AM
For the record, it would be better to upload into public_html. Most people find http links easier to deal with. :)
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: mwoodburn81 on August 28, 2009, 12:15:07 PM
For the record, it would be better to upload into public_html. Most people find http links easier to deal with. :)
Nobody uses FTP anymore :(.   For anonymous transfers HTTP won out.  For user transfers we have SCP/SFTP.  May FTP rest in peace.  :-)

PS.  I don't think I would really miss it.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Isaac.Eiland-Hall on August 28, 2009, 12:54:27 PM
Well, FTP is fine for transferring public files, like this. It supports resuming interrupted downloads. And it is faster than HTTP; but these days, I think more people have problems with FTP vs. folks on lower speeds like dial-up where FTP might make a bit of difference. So I don't think I'd call FTP dead, just... surpassed.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 28, 2009, 12:59:09 PM
BUT!! Is anyone going to attempt to reply as to when, if ever, we can download the latest Simutrans-Experimental?? It's all well and good pontificating about ftp and http and uncle Tom Cobley but it doesn't get us any closer to solving the problem.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: sojo on August 28, 2009, 01:04:10 PM
Nobody uses FTP anymore :(.
That's not correct. For example many people load the files for the homepage with ftp in the net.

Do you use Firefox? Than you can load a very nice addon "FireFTP". Very fast, stable and easy.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on August 28, 2009, 04:54:45 PM
I am very sorry that people have been experiencing problems downloading some of the Simutrans-Experimental packages this week; apologies also for not having replied in relation to this sooner: I have been rather busy this week.

After having some problems with files.simutrans-germany.com, and also needing to upload larger packages (Pak128.Britain-Ex and the complete package) than Simutrans-Germany could comfortably support, Isaac very kindly gave me an FTP account at simutrans.us, to which I uploaded the files.

However, for some reason, the complete package file does not work, and, when downloaded, produces an empty file. I do not understand how this problem has occurred, or whether it is related to using the FTP rather than HTTP. I have not yet had time to look into the problem: I hope to have some time on Saturday or Sunday evening.

In the meantime, the complete package can be downloaded from the secondary link (a public file sharing service), and I think that the base binaries for 6.5 work on the primary link.

Isaac, if you have any idea how the problem occurred, I should be most grateful for any suggestions. To everyone else - apologies for the difficulties.

Incidentally, I endorse Sojo's recommendation of FireFTP. FTP is certainly not dead, and, if it is faster than HTTP, it is a superior technology that should be used for transferring large binary files where possible.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Isaac.Eiland-Hall on August 28, 2009, 08:00:36 PM
The account I set up is a full-blown webhosting account, for example, with email and sql databases if you wanted. :)

FTP or SFTP can be used to upload files. Either way, the home directory you start in will contain public_ftp and public_http - those folders being the relevant public roots.

The way uploads work: a temporary file is created. Once the file is fully uploaded, it is renamed to the final filename. Perhaps something went wrong at this point, although I'm guessing, because this is not a problem I've noted before. :)

If you FTP client supports "SFTP", it might be worth it to use that protocol instead. (This technically connects via SSH - advantage being that the transfer is secure; but more importantly in this case - using a different protocol).

I personally recommend Filezilla as a trouble-free and completely-free FTP client, but of course any client should work fine.

If it were me, I'd upload under public_html, since most folks nowadays are more comfortable downloading via http - and will download links via their browser anyway.

Failing all else, you could even SSH into the server after uploading the file, and for example, from the initial directory:
cp public_ftp/yourfilename.zip public_html/yourfilename.zip

That would make it available in both locations.

(If you don't have SSH software, I recommend PuTTY (google for it - location can change) or http://www.bitvise.com/tunnelier which is a very very powerful package that allows you to remember login details so you log in with the click of a button, and gives one-click access to SFTP transfer as well as SSH terminal windows - it's awesome stuff)

many people load the files for the homepage with ftp in the net.

I assume the scope of discussion was "to download files via Internet" -- but I would highly recommend against using FTP to upload files to hosting -- use SFTP instead, where possible, and consider ditching hosts that don't support it. FTP is inherently open to sniffing; SFTP is encrypted.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on August 30, 2009, 09:19:59 AM
Thanks to Isaac's assistance, I have now resolved the problem with the downloads - hopefully all of the downloads should now be working properly again. Apologies to everyone for the inconvenience when they were not working last week.  Happy downloading!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 30, 2009, 10:53:15 AM
Thanks to Isaac's assistance, I have now resolved the problem with the downloads - hopefully all of the downloads should now be working properly again. Apologies to everyone for the inconvenience when they were not working last week.  Happy downloading!

Thank you James and of course Isaac, I've finally downloaded for the first time in ages, a Simutrans-Experimental, no hassles, no problems. Good onya guys.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 30, 2009, 11:47:47 PM
Hey James, here's high praise for Experimental. I've just reinstalled Experimental and I'm running my latest game which was running under Standard. I couldn't believe the difference in the speed, Experimental is running really smooth but standard runs like everything is being pulled by a string. (Jerky and slow)

I presume thanks must go to Knightly for that?

Terrific work A1 credit rating.

PS: Map is 1024x1024 and I have a massive Passenger system running.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on August 31, 2009, 08:25:20 AM
Colin,

very glad that you like it :-) Performance may well be down to Knightly, who has improved things greatly. I'm not sure why Standard runs more slowly, since that version is generally lighter computationally, but I'm just glad that Experimental works well for you :-)

I'd be interested to see your saved game if you don't mind uploading it.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on August 31, 2009, 09:32:46 AM
Colin,

I'd be interested to see your saved game if you don't mind uploading it.

Will do, I'll need your email address again though. I tried Windows 7 over the weekend and and laid waste to my computer.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Arek on September 15, 2009, 11:24:42 PM
I had a problem, i can't see the description of each truck (i had tried only with road transport) i can see only the amount of resources it can transport, but i don't see the mainteinance cost or the max speed.
Another thing, the category of the resources is shown like CATEGORY_02, all but live headstok.

I have windows vista and simutrans stop works several times and i have to lauch it again (it happens with the simutrans 102 too)
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on September 16, 2009, 02:50:55 PM
Arek,

make sure that you have installed the latest configuration files, including en.tab in the correct places.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Arek on September 18, 2009, 10:02:22 PM
Hello again, i think all is well installed, because if i play in english all work well, but if i play in spanish, i have the problem with some of the vehicles...
how can i fix it?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on September 18, 2009, 10:08:02 PM
The problem is that nobody has translated Simutrans-Experimental into Spanish yet. We currently don't have any volunteers for that, and I don't speak Spanish, so I can't help. If anyone would like to do so, I'd be very grateful.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Shunter 08 on January 05, 2010, 03:55:18 PM
I've just downloaded and I'm a little confused, the simutrn experimental says version 6.6, am I missing something?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on January 05, 2010, 03:56:40 PM
Shunter,

which link did you use?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Shunter 08 on January 05, 2010, 04:31:47 PM
Shunter,

which link did you use?

I used the 6.6 link < blush >, I got  little confused and In my excitement i pressed the first link I saw, whoops...

 I'm very interested in Experimental's ideas for realism and its 128.Britain pak, its all amazing considering I've been playing simutrans for years (without doenload) and only just found this community.

While on the subject, what is the best realism combo at the moment? I'm reading lots about increasing map distnaces to introduce comfort, journey time etc, what is the most complete realism package todate?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on January 05, 2010, 05:56:10 PM
Shunter,

thank you for your enthusiasm! The only complete pakset specifically set up for Simutrans-Experimental at present is Pak128.Britain-Ex (where things are already set up to what has so far been determined as optimal), although we are still working on getting the balancing right for that. It is, to some extent, still work in progress, although that work is helped enormously by people like you giving it a try and letting us know what does and doesn't work well. Do let me know how you get on - happy playing!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Shunter 08 on January 05, 2010, 10:31:06 PM
Thanks jamespetts, will do
Title: Can't compile
Post by: DarkenCZ on February 04, 2010, 01:24:05 PM
Hei,

I tried to compile simutrans-experimental on Mac OS X, using both sdl and allegro backends, but I failed. I am sending gcc output since first errors appeared, maybe it will help somebody.

---

===> CXX player/ai_passenger.cc
player/ai_passenger.cc: In member function ‘halthandle_t ai_passenger_t::build_airport(const stadt_t*, koord, int)’:
player/ai_passenger.cc:543: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
===> CXX player/simplay.cc
player/simplay.cc: In member function ‘virtual void spieler_t::neuer_monat()’:
player/simplay.cc:392: warning: format not a string literal and no format arguments
player/simplay.cc:397: warning: format not a string literal and no format arguments
===> CXX old_blockmanager.cc
===> CXX simcity.cc
simcity.cc: In member function ‘void stadt_t::add_factory_arbeiterziel(fabrik_t*)’:
simcity.cc:1592: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
simcity.cc: In member function ‘void stadt_t::step_passagiere()’:
simcity.cc:2094: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
simcity.cc:2467: warning: unused variable ‘max_ware’
simcity.cc:2576: warning: enumeration value ‘good’ not handled in switch
simcity.cc:2099: warning: unused variable ‘passenger_routing_longdistance_chance’
simcity.cc: In member function ‘void stadt_t::check_bau_factory(bool)’:
simcity.cc:3065: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
simcity.cc: In static member function ‘static vector_tpl<koord>* stadt_t::random_place(const karte_t*, sint32, sint16, sint16)’:
simcity.cc:3716: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
simcity.cc:3716: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
simcity.cc:3744: warning: format ‘%d’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 3 has type ‘uint64’
simcity.cc:3752: warning: format ‘%d’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘uint64’
===> CXX convoy.cc
In file included from convoy.cc:12:
convoy.h:343: warning: unused parameter ‘vehicle’
convoy.h:344: warning: unused parameter ‘adverse’
convoy.h:345: warning: unused parameter ‘freight’
convoy.h: In member function ‘void lazy_convoy_t::validate_vehicle_summary()’:
convoy.h:361: warning: cast from type ‘const vehicle_summary_t*’ to type ‘vehicle_summary_t*’ casts away constness
convoy.h: In member function ‘void lazy_convoy_t::validate_adverse_summary()’:
convoy.h:385: warning: cast from type ‘const adverse_summary_t*’ to type ‘adverse_summary_t*’ casts away constness
convoy.h: In constructor ‘potential_convoy_t::potential_convoy_t(karte_t&, vector_tpl<const vehikel_besch_t*>&)’:
convoy.h:447: warning: ‘potential_convoy_t::vehicles’ will be initialized after
convoy.h:446: warning:   ‘karte_t& potential_convoy_t::world’
convoy.h:454: warning:   when initialized here
===> CXX simconvoi.cc
In file included from simconvoi.cc:51:
convoy.h:343: warning: unused parameter ‘vehicle’
convoy.h:344: warning: unused parameter ‘adverse’
convoy.h:345: warning: unused parameter ‘freight’
convoy.h: In member function ‘void lazy_convoy_t::validate_vehicle_summary()’:
convoy.h:361: warning: cast from type ‘const vehicle_summary_t*’ to type ‘vehicle_summary_t*’ casts away constness
convoy.h: In member function ‘void lazy_convoy_t::validate_adverse_summary()’:
convoy.h:385: warning: cast from type ‘const adverse_summary_t*’ to type ‘adverse_summary_t*’ casts away constness
convoy.h: In constructor ‘potential_convoy_t::potential_convoy_t(karte_t&, vector_tpl<const vehikel_besch_t*>&)’:
convoy.h:447: warning: ‘potential_convoy_t::vehicles’ will be initialized after
convoy.h:446: warning:   ‘karte_t& potential_convoy_t::world’
convoy.h:454: warning:   when initialized here
simconvoi.cc: In destructor ‘virtual convoi_t::~convoi_t()’:
simconvoi.cc:221: warning: unused variable ‘update_schedules’
simconvoi.cc: In member function ‘void convoi_t::step()’:
simconvoi.cc:1065: warning: enumeration value ‘REVERSING’ not handled in switch
simconvoi.cc:1065: warning: enumeration value ‘MAX_STATES’ not handled in switch
simconvoi.cc: In member function ‘void convoi_t::reverse_order(bool)’:
simconvoi.cc:2121: warning: statement has no effect
simconvoi.cc: In member function ‘void convoi_t::get_freight_info(cbuffer_t&)’:
simconvoi.cc:2754: error: no matching function for call to ‘slist_iterator_tpl<ware_t>::slist_iterator_tpl(const vector_tpl<ware_t>&)’
tpl/slist_tpl.h:367: note: candidates are: slist_iterator_tpl<T>::slist_iterator_tpl(const slist_tpl<T>&) [with T = ware_t]
tpl/slist_tpl.h:362: note:                 slist_iterator_tpl<T>::slist_iterator_tpl(const slist_tpl<T>*) [with T = ware_t]
tpl/slist_tpl.h:356: note:                 slist_iterator_tpl<ware_t>::slist_iterator_tpl(const slist_iterator_tpl<ware_t>&)
simconvoi.cc:2806: error: no matching function for call to ‘freight_list_sorter_t::sort_freight(vector_tpl<ware_t>*, cbuffer_t&, freight_list_sorter_t::sort_mode_t, slist_tpl<ware_t>*, const char [7])’
freight_list_sorter.h:21: note: candidates are: static void freight_list_sorter_t::sort_freight(const vector_tpl<ware_t>*, cbuffer_t&, freight_list_sorter_t::sort_mode_t, vector_tpl<ware_t>*, const char*)
simconvoi.cc: In member function ‘void convoi_t::laden()’:
simconvoi.cc:2967: error: no matching function for call to ‘slist_iterator_tpl<ware_t>::slist_iterator_tpl(const vector_tpl<ware_t>&)’
tpl/slist_tpl.h:367: note: candidates are: slist_iterator_tpl<T>::slist_iterator_tpl(const slist_tpl<T>&) [with T = ware_t]
tpl/slist_tpl.h:362: note:                 slist_iterator_tpl<T>::slist_iterator_tpl(const slist_tpl<T>*) [with T = ware_t]
tpl/slist_tpl.h:356: note:                 slist_iterator_tpl<ware_t>::slist_iterator_tpl(const slist_iterator_tpl<ware_t>&)
make: *** [simconvoi.o] Error 1
bash-3.2$
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: onre on February 16, 2010, 03:16:26 PM
Hi folks.

I'm unable to get 7.1 to run in 32bit Vista Business. When I try to start the binary, I get a dialog saying that the application has stopped working. The main window shows up but stays blank. I've downloaded and unpacked the Britain-Ex 0.3 pakset and the experimental configuration files. My simutrans-experimental directory has the executables and "config", "pak" and "text" directories, the "pak" directory containing what was in the pakset zip file. I've tried renaming that to pak128, but it didn't help either. I installed the VC++ files mentioned earlier, too, and even that didn't help. Any ideas? Is there a log I could look at to see when it breaks?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on February 16, 2010, 03:58:01 PM
Onre,

welcome to the forums and to Simutrans-Experimental! Sorry that you can't get it working. The problem is sometimes caused by a rogue settings-experimental.xml file in your /My Documents/Simutrans folder. Try deleting that and see whether that helps. Incidentally, Pak128.Britain-Ex 0.3 is somewhat out of date, I think; if I recall correctly, 0.4 is the latest version. Try downloading that and see whether that helps.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: megasycophant on February 27, 2010, 05:31:19 PM
The latest version of Simutrans-Experimental is Simutrans 102.3 Experimental 7.1. The release date is: 19th of December 2009. The latest set of the configuration files for Simutrans-Experimental was released on the 19th of December.
I'm always confused by which version of Standard into which I should be installing the Experimental binary/config. Would it be possible to tell which Standard build it's based on/which we should be using? Or perhaps you are and I'm just misunderstanding.

For example, the above says to me that 7.1 is based on Standard 102.3, but the build of Standard for the 19th of December is 102.2.1. Should I be pulling that, or a nightly for 102.3? Also confusing is that nightly builds of 102.3 weren't even available until towards the end of January?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: neroden on March 19, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
I'm always confused by which version of Standard into which I should be installing the Experimental binary/config. Would it be possible to tell which Standard build it's based on/which we should be using? Or perhaps you are and I'm just misunderstanding.

For example, the above says to me that 7.1 is based on Standard 102.3, but the build of Standard for the 19th of December is 102.2.1. Should I be pulling that, or a nightly for 102.3? Also confusing is that nightly builds of 102.3 weren't even available until towards the end of January?

I'm having problems with this too.  What version of standard should I be installing experimental on?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: rodrigoschotten on March 19, 2010, 07:11:24 PM
I can't download these files. This link http://experimental.simutrans.us/Simutrans-Experimental-Complete.zip doesn't work. Who can help me?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: rsdworker on March 20, 2010, 01:03:07 AM
I can't download these files. This link http://experimental.simutrans.us/Simutrans-Experimental-Complete.zip doesn't work. Who can help me?
well its works for me - i was able to download it

so what your browser?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: rodrigoschotten on March 20, 2010, 02:21:32 AM
well its works for me - i was able to download it

so what your browser?
I've tried with Internet Explorer and Google Chrome. I am supposed just to click in the link to download the file, but I didn't get. Is there anything else that I have to do? If you can send me another link, I'll appreciate it a lot.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: rsdworker on March 20, 2010, 02:42:13 AM
I've tried with Internet Explorer and Google Chrome. I am supposed just to click in the link to download the file, but I didn't get. Is there anything else that I have to do? If you can send me another link, I'll appreciate it a lot.
try firefox which works well because i can click on links
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Lmallet on March 20, 2010, 03:02:26 AM
I downloaded it fine with IE8 at work this afternoon, but it was incredibly slow.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: rsdworker on March 20, 2010, 03:05:35 AM
I downloaded it fine with IE8 at work this afternoon, but it was incredibly slow.
yeah i noticed that too
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: rodrigoschotten on March 20, 2010, 03:41:00 AM
I don't know what are happening, but always I try to download the file appears the message  that the browser can't find the server. I've tryed with IE8 32 e 64 bits, Google Chrome and Firefox, but no one worked. How big is this file? Can anyone send me by e-mail? The e-mail is rodrigoschotten@hotmail.com
Title: Which branch are you working on?
Post by: neroden on March 23, 2010, 12:28:40 AM
The 'master' branch on github appears to have no commits since January (2010-01-26).  Is the 'devel' branch the one you're working on?  (I notice the parentheses bugfix isn't online yet ;-) )

I really can't seem to get the hang of git.  I'm not at all sure how to work with it as I would do with svn or cvs.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on March 23, 2010, 10:32:33 PM
Neroden,

the "master" branch is used for releases. The "devel" branch is used for updates in between releases. The automatic Linux builds come from the "master" branch. As to Git - did you have a look at the tutorial?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: neroden on March 27, 2010, 04:57:08 AM
Neroden,

the "master" branch is used for releases. The "devel" branch is used for updates in between releases.
Thanks very much!

Quote
The automatic Linux builds come from the "master" branch. As to Git - did you have a look at the tutorial?

Yeah, still can't get the hang of it.  If you have *your own server* it seems straightforward enough but I *don't*.... which means the instructions on "Using git for collaboration" *fail*.  I can't instruct anyone to pull from my repo because it exists only on a private computer.

There's something complicated involving git-format-patch and git-send-email which I may be able to figure out eventually.... but which appears to give horrible, unreadable results in the case of changes involving major churn.  Bleck.

It looks like I get no benefit from actually using git unless I have my own server!  Pulling tarballs and providing patches against them appears to give *BETTER* results.  :-P
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on March 28, 2010, 05:51:28 PM
Neroden,

you don't need your own server to use Git - you can use Github (http://github.com/), which is what I use. It is a public repository to which you can push your local files, and from which you can pull files from other people's branches. Do have a go and let me know whether you can get it to work. In the meantime, I'll have a go at using your .diff files...

Everyone else,

I know that some have been having trouble getting the files, but the server seems to be working now. Might I suggest that anyone who has trouble before have another go at downloading the files, and let me know if that does not work?
Title: OK, I figured out how to use git!
Post by: neroden on April 05, 2010, 09:21:38 PM
:idea: This is the "secret" I hadn't figured out -- since simutrans is an open-source project, anyone can get a free account on github. 

Which means I can use git in the "online" manner in which it is supposed to be used.  :)

At which point this was the key page telling me how to get started: http://help.github.com/forking/   ;D

I think I'm getting the hang of it now.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on April 05, 2010, 10:01:50 PM
Excellent!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: thematic on April 12, 2010, 11:32:15 AM
Simutrans 102.3 Experimental 7.3 binary for AmigaOS 4.1 (http://www.kolumbus.fi/~y609773/amiga/simutrans-ex-os4bin.lha).
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on April 12, 2010, 10:32:36 PM
Thematic,

thank you very much for compiling that - most appreciated! Was that compiled manually, or is it an automatic build as with the Linux 32 and 64 bit x86/x64 versions?

Edit: Also - can you give me some brief installation instructions to include in the "How to get" thread? I am not familiar with the Amiga platform.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: thematic on April 13, 2010, 12:53:54 PM
Was that compiled manually, or is it an automatic build as with the Linux 32 and 64 bit x86/x64 versions?

Edit: Also - can you give me some brief installation instructions to include in the "How to get" thread? I am not familiar with the Amiga platform.
What's the difference with config/simuconf.tab standard and experimental? Since I used the latter but thought that "sim-ex" could be simply dropped where the standard install is, especially if the standard has already been run before (I noticed the experimental build seems to require display_width and height set, unless -res option is used). A "full" archive with Pak128.Britain is not out of the question, either, since I noticed there were similar releases for other platforms.

But the customary way to install is to let the user put one directory wherever, and have everything that is exclusive to the program, under this directory. If the user has HOME env variable but doesn't want to install it there, singleuser_install should be 1.

It's a manual build, ie. I ran make after editing (with proper defs) two additional files compared to standard. I have made notes (http://nopaste.info/9d51d67b2f_nl.html) about these as well. I compiled with a native compiler, but even a slightly dated cross-compiler would probably come up with a statically linked executable.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: R-T on April 13, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
Hi,

sorry - but cant get V7.3, every time it comes "server not found"
Use Firefox Latest with W2003Server.IMHO a DNS error - i am from germany and it looks the Name cant solved .
Can you give a native IP number ?

Regards
R-T
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on April 13, 2010, 09:26:33 PM
Thematic,

the simuconf.tab files can be used interchangeably, but it is better to use the Simutrans-Experimental specific simuconf.tab file, as it contains settings specific to Simutrans-Experimental and documentation to go with them; it also has a number of things that are balanced to go specifically with Simutrans-Experimental. Could you let me know specifically what edits that you made to the makefile? It would be good to have a version in the official repository that supported the Amiga platform, too.

R-T,

the simutrans.us server has been down recently. I do not maintain the server, but I think that it is back up now. If you are having trouble accessing the server, the best thing to do is try again later.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: thematic on April 14, 2010, 12:11:20 AM
^ All modifications are - rather crudely - listed here: http://nopaste.info/9d51d67b2f_nl.html
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: R-T on April 14, 2010, 12:17:33 AM
Hi,

....
R-T,

the simutrans.us server has been down recently. I do not maintain the server, but I think that it is back up now. If you are having trouble accessing the server, the best thing to do is try again later.

I dont think this is the problem!
Have tryed today 6 times and the last week a couple of times.
The same failure was with 7.2 ...
So i cant conect from germany to the server - all times come "server not found" (no DNS match).

Regards
R-T
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on May 19, 2010, 12:29:53 AM
H James,

I think that you should update your "Get Simutrans Here" link. The link at the bottom of your posts only brings one back here where the actual "Get Simutrans Here" link seems to be lost in the mists of time as does the link in your 'Latest Release' post.

Regards
Colin
 
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jtoomim on May 27, 2010, 09:23:52 PM
Hmm... can't seem to send PMs right now.

Anyway, a Mac OS X version of simutrans-experimental 8.0:

http://jtoomim.org/code/simexp-8.0-pak64-pak128.Britain.zip

Contains pak64 and pak128.Britain.

PMs enabled -- VS
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on May 31, 2010, 11:58:34 AM
JToomim,

thank you very much for that - most kind. Two questions: (1) does that include Makeobj for the Mac; and (2) is the Pak128.Britain included the Standard or the Experimental version?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: borja on October 17, 2010, 11:43:08 AM
The problem is that nobody has translated Simutrans-Experimental into Spanish yet. We currently don't have any volunteers for that, and I don't speak Spanish, so I can't help. If anyone would like to do so, I'd be very grateful.

I volunteered to translate simutrans into Spanish.
If you tell me what I have to do, I will happy do it.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Milko on November 26, 2010, 12:46:49 PM
Hi

To get a working version but the lightest possible "simutrans-experimental" I downloaded and installed in the same folder:
Simutrans experimental (main executable binaries)
Simutrans experimental config files
A "pak" compatible

I tried the game and missed the music, then I copied from the "simutrans-standard music folder. And everything seems to work perfectly. But I fear that the game seems to work well but in reality there is something missing which I have not yet noticed. Can anyone tell me if the packages that I copied / installed are valid as working installation of the game or something missing?

Giuseppe
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Junna on December 19, 2010, 09:05:26 AM
Those upload sites are really terrible (current ones for 9.0). Something that doesn't fail all the time and make you wait an hour after the download fails to start to try again would be nice? Even mediafire is better.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 19, 2010, 12:31:35 PM
Junna - thanks to a suggestion from Inkelyad, I have now updated all the links to refer to downloads available directly from Github, which should work much better. I didn't know what best to do after files.simutrans.us went down a few months ago.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Junna on December 19, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
Also NOD32 antivirus software displays the new Simutrans-Experimental.exe as a suspected worm infection.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 19, 2010, 02:17:16 PM
I've never heard of NOD32 - presumably, the "diagnosis" is based on heuristic analysis, but I'm not sure why it would come up with calling Simutrans-Experimental a worm! Does it say the same about Simutrans-Standard?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Junna on December 19, 2010, 04:13:12 PM
I've never heard of NOD32 - presumably, the "diagnosis" is based on heuristic analysis, but I'm not sure why it would come up with calling Simutrans-Experimental a worm! Does it say the same about Simutrans-Standard?

It is based on heuristic analysis. It does not say it about Standard, nor does it say it about earlier versions of experimental.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 19, 2010, 04:41:33 PM
How very odd.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Colin on December 19, 2010, 10:57:00 PM
I've never heard of NOD32 - presumably, the "diagnosis" is based on heuristic analysis, but I'm not sure why it would come up with calling Simutrans-Experimental a worm! Does it say the same about Simutrans-Standard?

More of a BUG than a worm.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: TygerFish on December 21, 2010, 08:25:39 PM
James: missing [/url] tag in the top post's link to the 32-bit Linux version!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 22, 2010, 12:09:22 AM
Thank you for spotting that - fixed!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: waerth on December 23, 2010, 09:04:37 AM
Where do I find Simutrans 102.3??
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Milko on December 23, 2010, 09:51:26 AM
Hello

Simutrans 102.3, standard or experimental? And do you want binaries or source code?

I try to answer anyway ...
Simutrans standard (stable) 102.2.2 - http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=4642.0
Simutrans standard (102.3 - "nightly" daily update) - http://nightly.simutrans-germany.com/
Simutrans standard code (102.2.2 and 102.3 daily patch) - https://github.com/aburch/simutrans

Simutrans Experimental binaries (102.3 - 9.0) - http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=6429.0
Simutrans Experimental code (102.3 daily patch and version 9.0) - https://github.com/jamespetts

Simutrans experimental does not have nightlies.

Giuseppe
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: TheUniqueTiger on February 26, 2011, 05:29:54 PM
I can't seem to download the new config files package... Does anyone else also have the same problem? It comes up with an XML file with Access Denied message.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on February 26, 2011, 06:31:12 PM
Odd - I'm not sure why that's not working. Try here (http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simutrans-experimental-config.zip) instead.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: TheUniqueTiger on February 27, 2011, 05:25:25 AM
Yes this link works properly.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Milko on March 04, 2011, 10:34:43 AM
Hello

I'm unable to download the new MakeObj-Exp, I obtain a strange error...

Giuseppe
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on March 04, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
Hmm, that's very odd. Try this (http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Makeobj-experimental.zip) alternative link.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Milko on March 04, 2011, 10:46:58 AM
Hi

Thanks, the new link is ok.

Giuseppe
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: steffen on April 19, 2011, 12:15:17 AM
The link for the 9.5 complete package gives a very strange access denied error from github :(
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on April 19, 2011, 01:04:03 AM
Rats - sorry about that. I shall have to fix that when I get a chance. Thank you for spotting that issue.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: deMangler on May 16, 2011, 09:09:26 PM
Hi,

Is there anywhere I can download a linux binary of simutrans experimental that will run as a server without the graphics.
I am running a server on a vps but I would really like to be able to reduce the overhead by just going cli. At the moment I need to run it in a vnc session which is not good.
Thanks in advance,

dM
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on May 16, 2011, 10:07:30 PM
deMangler,

thank you for your query. Unfortunately, the person who runs the automated nightly builds has not set them up to produce the no graphics server version. However, you can compile it from source on Linux - just pull from the master branch on my Github repository (https://github.com/jamespetts/simutrans-experimental) and compile using the simgraph0.cc (have a look at the makefile to see what options to select). Some information on compiling, although some of it is specific to Windows, can be found in this (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=6556.0) thread, which covers certain dependencies and libraries that you will need to compile Simutrans-Experimental.

Please note that, with the current version of Simutrans-Experimental (9.5), you will not be able to join a game hosted on a Linux server from a Windows client or vice versa (or, indeed, any combination of client/server compiled in different architectures). This is a known bug and work is underway to fix it for the next release, 9.6.

Thank you for your interest in running a Simutrans-Experimental server!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: deMangler on May 17, 2011, 05:30:01 AM
Thanks for the swift reply - I will work on getting server up and running.

The more the merrier!   :)

dM
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: ӔO on May 29, 2011, 04:18:42 PM
can someone verify if the windows binary version for 9.6 link is working?
I seem to get an error.
"This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below."
Code: [Select]
<Error><Code>AccessDenied</Code><Message>Access Denied</Message><RequestId>3775EBF36EADA26C</RequestId><HostId>JEvU27JMk51JBEUJcZXuUiJd8ihPM22kR3QKuBdq+JaDkrQiB6ndnkqWVPXfoWYk</HostId></Error>
The configuration files and complete package links worked.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on May 29, 2011, 04:32:30 PM
Hmm - Git does that sometimes. It has worked earlier, as I tested it initially. Here (http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simutrans-experimental.zip) is an alternative download link.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: rsdworker on May 29, 2011, 10:06:50 PM
there was problem with binraies link in http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=7377.0
 - <Error><Code>AccessDenied</Code><Message>Access Denied</Message><RequestId>26AE4094FDD4716C</RequestId><HostId>l55ctMV311c9YXkVYejua1Ps1w/Khuegb41ZMy8rZr4bIlRxc8/8BZ4GNiwGTqh8</HostId></Error>


EDIT: never mind - i realised there someone reported it already
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on June 05, 2011, 10:12:47 AM
I have now pointed the main link on the latest version announcement to the correct binaries - apologies for the difficulties.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Milko on October 06, 2011, 08:36:43 PM
Hello

The link to download Makeobj-Exp for windows is broken.

Giuseppe
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on October 06, 2011, 09:14:16 PM
Thank you for letting me know! I think that I have fixed it - let me know whether it works for you.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jap00 on February 16, 2013, 09:22:51 PM
how do i install the mac version
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on February 16, 2013, 11:46:14 PM
Hmm - I'm not sure, I'm afraid, as I don' have experience with Macs. Does anyone here know enough about them to know how to install on that platform?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jap00 on February 17, 2013, 09:34:21 AM
oh well thanks anyway!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: MCollett on February 19, 2013, 01:39:13 AM
how do i install the mac version

There isn't a ready-to-use package for the Mac, but I think all the ingredients are linked to in James's standing instructions (http://"http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=1894.msg19644").  Get a copy of the config files, and add into that folder a copy of the Mac binary and your pakset of choice (e.g. Pak128.Britain-Ex or pak.64-exp).  Double-clicking on the binary should then start up OK.

Best wishes,
Matthew
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: AvG on June 08, 2013, 08:43:45 PM
Hi James,
After 2 years abcense I am back again.
However, I have a problem.
I am running Win 8 with Virus-scanner ESET NOD32 Antivirus 6


Using the here-link for the last complete package, I get a quick download of the package. At the end it stops however, due to the virus-scanner[size=78%].[/size]


The log shows this: (presuming your Dutch is a bit rusty, I will give an English translation between ())



Opstartsector van schijf C: - fout tijdens openen (Startsector disc C: error while opening)
C:\hiberfil.sys - fout tijdens openen (error while opening)
C:\pagefile.sys - fout tijdens openen
C:\swapfile.sys - fout tijdens openen
C:\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-21-1355222746-2715661106-2070710126-1001\$IJBEUG2.zip = ZIP =  - archief beschadigd ( damaged archive)
C:\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-21-1355222746-2715661106-2070710126-1001\$R8UXCET.crdownload = ZIP = Simutrans-Experimental.exe - waarschijnlijk onbekend NewHeur_PE virus (probably unknown NewHeur_PE virus)
C:\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-21-1355222746-2715661106-2070710126-1001\$R8UXCET.crdownload = ZIP = Simutrans-Experimental-command-line-server.exe - waarschijnlijk onbekend NewHeur_PE virus
C:\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-21-1355222746-2715661106-2070710126-1001\$R8UXCET.crdownload = ZIP = Simutrans-Experimental-ipv4.exe - waarschijnlijk onbekend NewHeur_PE virus
C:\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-21-1355222746-2715661106-2070710126-1001\$RKNNDZC.crdownload = ZIP = Simutrans-Experimental.exe - waarschijnlijk onbekend NewHeur_PE virus
C:\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-21-1355222746-2715661106-2070710126-1001\$RKNNDZC.crdownload = ZIP = Simutrans-Experimental-command-line-server.exe - waarschijnlijk onbekend NewHeur_PE virus
C:\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-21-1355222746-2715661106-2070710126-1001\$RKNNDZC.crdownload = ZIP = Simutrans-Experimental-ipv4.exe - waarschijnlijk onbekend NewHeur_PE virus
C:\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-21-1355222746-2715661106-2070710126-1001\$R8UXCET.crdownload - fout tijdens openen
C:\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-21-1355222746-2715661106-2070710126-1001\$RKNNDZC.crdownload - fout tijdens openen


I gave it another chance on my second PC with Windows XP. Same result.


ESET NOD32 is one of the best tested anti-virus scanners.


Any ideas???



Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: prissi on June 08, 2013, 09:01:47 PM
But this is the heuristics. Sound very much like a wrong alert.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on June 08, 2013, 09:26:04 PM
Welcome back!

I think that Prissi must be right - I suspect that Simutrans is showing up as a possible threat because it is capable of acting as a server. The only thing to do is add an exclude rule to your anti-virus software, I think.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Jando on July 11, 2013, 12:22:14 AM
For your information: downloaded the complete package with the new release 11.00 from the link provided in the first post. Trying to run Simutrans-Experimental.exe I get an error message that file pthreadVCE2.dll cannot be found.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on July 11, 2013, 06:33:14 AM
Thank you for the report - I have re-uploaded versions with this included.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: asaphxiix on August 19, 2013, 12:36:54 AM
it seems that in the new 11.6, msvcp110.dll & msvcr110.dll are required rather than v100 in the previous simutrans ex.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on August 19, 2013, 01:14:51 AM
Thank you - now re-uploaded with the correct files.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: transporter on December 09, 2013, 03:09:59 AM
Just so you know, none of the Mac binary links work. I've tried with multiple version links including a couple on other threads but they all fail
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 09, 2013, 08:27:16 PM
Thank you - duly noted. I have asked the person who does the compiling to send me another copy so that I can host it myself.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Bob on December 21, 2013, 10:28:35 AM
I'm trying to use simutrans experimental,
but I'm missing MSVCR100.dll.
Please can you help
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 21, 2013, 12:09:18 PM
Install this (http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=5555) if you are using 32-bit Windows, or this (http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=14632) if you are using 64-bit Windows.

I have yet to work out what pre-compiled package still requires the 2010 redistributable packages...
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Bob on December 22, 2013, 08:27:53 AM
Thanks
But now it says  it was unable to start (0xc0000022)
if you can help thank you
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 22, 2013, 11:09:03 AM
Try downloading this (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=30679) package for the 2012 redistributables. Also, did you copy all of the .dll files in the .zip file into your ~/simutrans directory?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Bob on December 23, 2013, 08:39:43 AM
Ive done that but when I moved all of the .dll files to /simutrans it says I cannot use it because the .dll files are missing.
And The Redistributables don't help it.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 23, 2013, 11:25:47 AM
Hmm. Are you running the 64-bit or 32-bit version of Simutrans-Experimental? (The 64-bit version is simutrans-experimental-x64.exe).
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Bob on December 23, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
Im Running the 32 bit Version but my computer is a 64 bit computer, I use the 64 Bit Version and it comes up with the same error
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 23, 2013, 02:15:13 PM
Thank you for letting me know. Can I just check: have you installed both the 2010 and 2012 MSVS redistributable packages that I linked, and installed the 64-bit versions of both?

If so, then this is a not entirely straightforward problem that will need you to install a software utility called "dependency walker" to give me the information that I need to help you to solve it. The ultimate problem is a missing .dll file, but the tricky part is trying to find out which one is missing.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Bob on December 23, 2013, 02:30:18 PM
Thanks It is working. I just needed to install the 2010 package
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 24, 2013, 12:47:03 AM
Ahh, splendid, glad that it is working for you now.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: MCollett on January 20, 2014, 01:37:39 AM
Latest version

[...] The latest set of the configuration files for Simutrans-Experimental was released on the 20th of July 2013. [...]

Configuration files

[...] Here (http://bridgewater-brunel.me.uk/downloads/simutrans-experimental-config.zip) is a set of configuration files for Simutrans-Experimental. [...]

« Last Edit: Today at 12:47:21 AM by jamespetts »

The configuration files linked to are dated 29th May 2012, not 20th July 2013.

Best wishes,
Matthew
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: zook2 on January 21, 2014, 04:09:26 AM
Just a small wish: could you put the version number in the file name, as in "Simutrans-Experimental 11.16.zip", please? We could do that ourselves, but it would save everyone who wants to keep older versions for testing or to revert to an older version a few seconds of time. Thanks!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: dave on April 12, 2014, 06:23:27 PM
Hi there,

Just downloaded the new experimental version, but i get the error MSVCP110.dll is missing on your computer (which runs Windows 8.1)
Do i need to get this file somewhere?
Thank you for your help.


Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on April 12, 2014, 06:29:26 PM
Dave - welcome to the forum and to Simutrans-Experimental. You will need to download the Microsoft Visual Studio redistributable package, which can be found here (http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=30679). I hope that this helps - happy playing!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: dave on April 12, 2014, 06:52:58 PM
Great! It's working now! Thanks! And for the welcome! I've been around a few years, but i forgot about that too ;)
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on April 12, 2014, 06:59:57 PM
Splendid - glad that it is working for you.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: zook2 on April 19, 2014, 09:26:14 AM
Hi James, I missed the past couple of updates since 11.21 and I'm curious about what has changed since then (knowing that might help with reporting bugs or strange behavior, too). Is there a complete changelog anywhere?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on April 19, 2014, 10:54:54 AM
The best place to look for a consolidated list of changes for release versions is the commit list (https://github.com/jamespetts/simutrans-experimental/commits/master) on Github for the master branch.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: Vladki on February 28, 2015, 08:36:01 AM
Hi I see that there is no fresh version for Linux. I have compiled latest release of simutrans-ex for myself - Linux 64-bit. If anybody is interested you can get it here: https://uran.webstep.net/~vladki/simutrans/simulinux-ex.zip

Perhaps moving it to some more official place would be better.
I can do the 32-bit verion as well, and update it when new release will be out.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: killwater on February 28, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Ahh a new release... That would be uber mega super hiper cool...  Just saying...  :P
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on May 16, 2015, 04:45:11 PM
I see that I have not spotted these replies for some months: my apologies. That is very helpful, Vladki, thank you.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: NoMorePacers on December 10, 2016, 08:45:33 PM
I recently got a new, much more powerful pc with Windows 10 installed. I've installed Simutrans Standard fine, but with Experimental, it says "MSVCR110.dll" and "MSVCP110.dll" are missing even after I install MS Visual Studio 2012... any advice?
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on December 10, 2016, 09:57:21 PM
May I suggest that you install the Visual Studio 2015 redistributable packages? Recent versions have been compiled with Visual Studio 2015.

I am hoping to set up cross compiling soon, which will produce a nightly executable that does not need these downloads.
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: NoMorePacers on December 11, 2016, 07:20:35 PM
Thank you very much! The game runs like a dream!
Title: Re: How to get Simutrans-Experimental
Post by: jamespetts on February 14, 2017, 12:04:09 AM
This topic should now be considered deprecated.