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Title: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on June 03, 2009, 05:40:42 PM
After some weeks of storytelling in the BBBR thread, I realize that there is many different ways and strategies when you play Simutrans. I think it would be interesting to see how different people play, I therefore give you "the Rogaland Challenge" (Named after my home region in Norway. I even changed the townnames)

The Idea is to play this map for 15 years, and then see what you've done during the game. There is of course many ways to meassure how "well" you've done, but net worth and population should be good indicators :)

Here is the save game: http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland.sve

A few rules:
- Use only your own company, no public company etc.
- Try to only build realistic (no stations that cover large cites alone, or stops that is used to increase profit wtihout any other point of beeing there)
- Don't buy things that is obsolete
- When 1945 starts, save your game, net worth and total population and post it on the forum - some screenshots and/or description about what you've done would be great, but is not required.
- Challenge ends 11 July 2009

I hope many of you want to join this challenge :) Would be great!
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: vilvoh on June 03, 2009, 06:25:23 PM
one doubt: what pakset is that challenge for? pak128, pak64, pak96?
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on June 03, 2009, 06:28:12 PM
one doubt: what pakset is that challenge for? pak128, pak64, pak96?

Ah, sorry, PAK 128, 102.0
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Silver on June 03, 2009, 08:55:08 PM
Excellent idea.
I sign up to the challenge  jojojo ;)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Asterix909 on June 04, 2009, 01:42:46 PM
I will try to participate.
I say try for two reasons:
1) I just bought a house, so my computer time is limited
2) I am still new to the game and may accidentally blow up the region before 1945 comes around
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 04, 2009, 08:02:38 PM
I also sign up for the challenge. I´ve already downloaded the map and started it.
All cities are connected by end of january 1930. Company is profitable.
Population at start January 1930 8615.
Population raised to 9866 (+1251) by the beginning of 1931

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Michael 'Cruzer' on June 04, 2009, 08:14:27 PM
Use only your own company, no public company etc.

You could disallow changing player. So nobody could "get help" from other companys.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 04, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
Hello LeifInge,
I like challenges, so of course I participate in this.

I have a few questions.
Can you tell me about "net-worth"?
I never watch that, only the proceeds, and the operational profit.
How is it calculated? I see it falling down, and every change of
the day it's going up.

Can you give me examples of "buying obsolete things"?

Is it allowed to build new cities?
Is it allowed to build circle-lines?
(trains are running only in one direction A-B-C-D-A and not A-B-C-D-C-B-A)
Is it allowed to disturb the game of the opponents, by
building usuless rails, so that they cannot reach factories,
with loading platforms?

Where can I find "total population"?
Or do we have to calculate the number of citizens of all cities?

I hope I dont bore you with these questions. I think a
challenge gives more fun, if the rules are clear.
Thanks for your comment. I can't wait to start .....:-)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on June 06, 2009, 07:35:35 AM
One question:
Is the goal to have the biggest profit?
Bescause I usually transport only the goods for 20 years...
I want to sign up and I think that in 1945 I could have a 500 000 profit, but without start carrying passangers.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on June 06, 2009, 08:54:02 AM
Optimix:
-net worth is a calculation which tells how much your company is worth,
- obsolete things is all vehicle which has an end date before that date you buy it, to be able to buy these you have to enable it in the buy vehicle window...
- Circle line, yea, sure - if noone else disagree, then its okey for me
- if you manage to get 5000000 the feel free to build a new city, but it will lower your net worth.
- there is no opponents
- total population is displayed at the top in the city list (You find that under lists)

hApo: The goal is to have fun and learn from other players, so feel free to transport goods :) I said that net worth and total population could be two good indicators on how good people have done. Profit is easier to maxout for a short period...


Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 06, 2009, 07:28:46 PM
Hey there LeifInge, thanks very much for your explanation!!

I think it was a strange question, if it was allowed to
buy new cities. I was trying out your scenario, and I wil
NEVER be able to buy a new city.... ;D

This is a really good challenge. Its all very hard to get some
money to build. Untill now I can manage that cars and
trains are profitable, but with the monthly costs, it seems
I will never lose my loan. Tell me if it is allowed that there
are stil messages in 1945 "you are 150 months in loan"

The way of debts in this version is new for me. In the old
version it was 3 months. Here it is someting more
complicated. I found out myself, that as long as you make
profit, the program allows that you have debts. And as longer
you play, the more loan is allowed. But I cant find the exact
numbers of it. Can you tell me if I can find that in the help-
function, or in a doc-file anywhere?

I did 2 try's now on your scenario. One with a lot of train-
industry (all profitable, but I cant get away the loan) and
a try with only busses. There is the same problem with the
few income, and its very hard to get a little bit structure in
it. Its an enormous mess, with 700 busses, 90% profitable,
march 1938, net worth 800.000, negative account balance
of 1.6 million, 30.000 profit each month, and a population
of 20.000. The population growth is the only thing that is
going fine  ;D

I keep trying!
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: jamespetts on June 06, 2009, 08:00:51 PM
In recent versions of Simutrans, you will only become bankrupt if your net worth is below zero at the end of the month. The net worth is the sum of all assets minus the sum of all liabilities.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 07, 2009, 10:33:06 PM
Thanks very much for this information jamespetts!
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on June 09, 2009, 01:44:35 PM
Your map's so hard, I will never reach a 500 000 profit a year...
My record was 150 000, but I was having a big loan. When I tried to expand and start tranporting passengers I finally bancrupted...
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on June 09, 2009, 02:48:08 PM
Trying again:
year 1932
- $ - 1 400 000
- profit 160 000/year
- connected 10 factories by 14 trains

year 1933
- only little trackupgrades
- $ - 1 200 000
- profit 230 000 (!)

year 1934
- $ - 1 050 000
- profit only 180 000
- The Goods factory overflowed by plastics (but only a temporary problem)

year 1935 (January)
- $ - 880 000
- profit 176 000
- something's wrong with the margin, it's only 0,5
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: vilvoh on June 09, 2009, 03:10:15 PM
You have 15 years of gameplay so, make a plan of possible actions long-term and carefully. Be cautious at the beggining, until you get enough money to build bigger transport networks and overall do not be discouraged...it's a challange, so the savegame must have some difficulties and challanges for the player. Learn and enjoy..that's the basic
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on June 09, 2009, 03:42:32 PM
if you are interested... http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland3.sve
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 09, 2009, 07:18:23 PM
Challenged Completed.
It´s now 01.1945 so I´ve completed the 15 years.
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland%2001.1945%201.png)
The populatons rose to 26953 people. This means that there was a groth of 18000 people.
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland%20Population%2001.1945.png)
Networth is 2.963.082,86 Credits.
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogalond%20Finaces%2001.1945.png)
File can be downloaded here: http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland%20B%201945.sve (http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland%20B%201945.sve)
I really enjoyed this game and I will continue playing it to obtimise every thing.
Thanks for this nice map LeifInge. I really would like to play some others
If somebody is interested I have got savegames from nearly every year till 1930
The company was profitable from the first year on.

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on June 09, 2009, 07:43:45 PM
Glad to hear that you enjoyed it Rohal, would be interesting to hear what you did in the start and how you expanded you company!
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 09, 2009, 07:55:16 PM
I started with building the complete passenger network in January 1930. I used nearly the complete 500K starting capital to get it going.
Here you can see the map from November 1930
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland%2011.1930.png)
As you can see every city is connected and also most of the industries and attractions.
And here the finace window.
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland%20Finances%2011.1930.png)
The next 12 years only saw adjustments and renewel of the passenger network.
My company was profitable all the time.
I have to say that I haven´t transported any mail, because I normally start mail transport when the combined Mail and Passanger Busstop is available.

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on June 09, 2009, 08:01:28 PM
when did you start goods transport?
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 09, 2009, 08:08:01 PM
I started garbage transport at the end of 1942.
In 1943 I began to connect the rest of the industries with each other, this took till middle of 1944.
At the end of 1944 I took the rest of my money to connect the wood plantation and the Goods factory to the power network.
All the years before were mainly saving money and developing the growing passanger network. Because it was my target to have as few overcrowded stations as possible
At the beginning of the game I just connected the factories to my passanger network to get more transport.

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Silver on June 09, 2009, 11:06:29 PM
I think the connection between the different cities to create a single line is the best way to get both the game and making it clear that it is by road
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 09, 2009, 11:22:59 PM
Hey there all, very nice you are working hard with this
challenge! I dont sleep anymore :-)

I think it is almost impossible to do both things.
Making money AND population grow.

I am now in september 1941, and my population is
20671. The net health is 200.000 and is falling down
every month. I hope I will reach the 1945 without
bankrupts. And sure I have to reach the 26953
population of Rohal!! :-)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 10, 2009, 05:38:04 PM
Hi Optimix,

maybe you can upload a savegame. I would like to have a look at how you designed your network.

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 10, 2009, 08:13:08 PM
Hey there Rohal, tell me how to upload my network.
Sure you may watch it......

I think I have beat you.......I have 29733
Not a nice network, all trains profitable, but some
busses not. (they only help to generate traffic)

I lost a lot of money, during the last 2 years of the
game, to make it more realistic. That means that passengers
can choose short ways, to travel. So I built extra train-
lines.
I dont have much money, but my net-health is just positive.
Here are the screens. The pic of the map I include, because
its fun to watch how Byrne and Stanvenger are completely
grown together. (that was my goal, and finally I succeeded)


(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1299/simscr00.jpg)

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4462/simscr01.jpg)

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8254/simscr02.jpg)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 10, 2009, 10:00:58 PM
Hi Optimix,

you can upload your savegames to http://files.simutrans-germany.com (http://files.simutrans-germany.com)
You can use your Forum Nick and password to sign in there
Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 12, 2009, 02:41:51 AM
Hey there Rohal, I uploaded my result. This is the link:

http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland%20Optimix%2029712%20population.sve
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on June 12, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
You have large cities, but I ask:
Isn't it better to have more populated cities covered by less number of stops?
The buses will be more profitable and you will pay less maintenance.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 12, 2009, 08:28:25 PM
Hello hApo,
I think you are right. Sometimes I am in a hurry, to make
profit, and then I forget to keep a good eye, how far one
bus stop reaches. 2 bus stops close together, is useless.

At the other hand: I do not know exactly what the effect
is of such bus stops, for the arriving. If we forget the
departs there it could be possible, that other stops generate
more passengers because there are more destinations.

I will test this. My english is not so good, but I hope
you will understand what I mean.
Thanks for your comment!

Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on June 13, 2009, 10:50:39 AM
Less destinations? Maybe... But if the stop cover more buildings and every building generate 60 people, the effect will be, I think, opposite.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 13, 2009, 09:07:50 PM
hApo, you are right.
I did a test, and the effect is just opposite.
For me one reason more, to build stops more carefully
in the future, because it seems it is profitable for
several reasons.
Thanks very much for this useful hint!
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Silver on June 14, 2009, 12:37:27 AM
Here's what you had written before, the development of this map is carried across the road transport between cities, the first picture shows the 1930 in December, while the second image shows the 1931 in April.

the gains and recoveries of the investment, in view of all.

1rs image:
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8243/15514410.th.png) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVtD7WA)

2nd image:
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4893/15972426.th.png) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxeUc4i)

The monthly discount is less than the gain recovery is therefore a matter of time and smooth ;)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: V813 on June 14, 2009, 01:19:56 AM
Hi,
I will also try to participate, but I'm not sure if I can finish because:
1) My time is limited (can't spend too much time on Simutrans =P)
2) I've never played a 15-year game before (the longest I've played lasted for 12 years)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on June 20, 2009, 02:29:41 PM
I'll sign up too,but I'm not sure if I will get so far with my trams,stations get overcrowded.But I'll try

EDIT:Interconnected all with airplanes,much intercity rails and in-city trolleybus lines.connected the northern to the soutern cluster.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 21, 2009, 06:07:48 PM
I'll try this one too :) Seems quite interesting, I'm going to get a busnetwork sorted before I do anything else lol.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: statto on June 21, 2009, 11:56:31 PM
Very difficult, but this is my first time using Pak128 - too many legacy pak64 games on my computer. I think I prefer pak64.

I am on my 2nd iteration of Rogaland, as I completely mismanaged the first attempt.

The first attempt I made at Rogaland was bus-oriented, but was bogged down first by a poorly placed bus terminal near Stavanger and second by my attempt to build a rail network to increase capacity - I didn't have enough money to do it and I threw away a nice little profit margin and went bankrupt.

The second attempt, I decided to divide the map into threes - North Rogaland (the four northern cities), Stavanger/Bryne, and Haugesund/Sandnes. I first created a bus network for the four connected northern cities, using three local lines for Randaberg, Tau, and Egersund/Sola which all connected at the "North Rogaland Bus Terminal" on the outskirts of Randaberg.

I then set up the Stavanger/Bryne network treating the region as one city, creating a transfer point on the eastern outskirts of Stavanger for the train.

I set up a passenger railway between Haugesund and Sandnes using Haugesund as the hub station (with a stop at the Tower and an oil refinery). I then connected the three major passenger hubs (Randaberg, Stavanger and Haugesund) using the cheapest possible rail network, and then created a national hub station where the three lines converged (to the east of Stavanger). I then had about 10000¢ left in the bank, so I unpaused and let the simulation go!

Using this system I was able to achieve a profit margin fairly quickly. Unfortunately, I had to keep tweaking the network and amassed another 120000¢ in debt, and the profit margin just...isn't...enough.

To top it off, I'm now running 2 trains between Haugesund and the national hub, but I need about 1.5 trains for both Haugesund/national hub and Haugesund/Sandnes in order to continue making money consistently so there's a train I switch back and forth when I need to. I also don't have enough dough to try connecting industries at the moment.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on June 22, 2009, 02:42:11 AM
Wow,my first try was bogged down really quickly!

second attempt,but this time with buses,dividing Rogaland into three and using intercity buses between bus terminals and in-city lines.works perfectly,but is not making much profit(yet none :) ),but it is increasing the city growth.Established a mail service with bus trailers.All works fairly well,as I have 200 000 $ left. ;)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 22, 2009, 11:23:43 AM
Hi Guys,

I althogh devided the country into three parts.
The first are the 4 cities in the north which are covered by two stops and each got one line connecting to the regional HUB near Egersund
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/egersund%20HUB.png)

The second part is Stavanger and Bryne. Stavanger got a local bus line. Bryne was connected by a seperate line to the HUB at Stavanger.
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Stavanger%20HUB.png)

The third part is the region around Haugesund and Sandnes.
Both cities got an local Busline and are connected by a circle trainline that is connected to all factories and Attractions in the region. The trainline was served by one two part DC 22.
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/HS%20Circle.png)
Here a look at the circle line
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Haugesund%20HUB.png)
And here you can see the hub at Haugesund

The regions are connected by one 4 part DC 22.
For the trainlines I used 110 Km/h tracks. To save construction and maintenance cost I used the simple plattform for the stations that are connected to the cheap busstop to acceppt passangers just like this.
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/cheap%20trainstop.png)

And as you can see it´s possible to make profit with that.
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland%20Finances%2011.1930.png)

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 22, 2009, 11:27:00 AM
Nice Rohal, your map looks good. I might try something like that, I failed the challenge, I connected the cities with trains and in the city itself I used busses but when I build a industrial network my capital went down lol.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 22, 2009, 11:34:07 AM
Hi Anime,

at the beginning of my game I only concentrate on developing the passanger service, to get enough money for the industry chains. In this game I began to connect the factories at the end of the year 1942 and finished the work by the middle of 1944.

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 22, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
Thanks :) I think I started far too early with connecting the factories then, I started around 1931/

btw, maybe a stupid question, but how do you transport mail lol? I've got mail stops everywhere but no mail is being transported. Do I need a special kind 'o vehicle?

Edit2:
What kind of busses do you use for people-transport? Those 'Praga Bus 1919's are very slow :x
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on June 22, 2009, 12:06:34 PM
To transport mail you need mail trucks, u'll find them in the depot where u get busses!

Nice to see all you guys playing this challenge! Perharps I'll have to do it myself too?
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 22, 2009, 12:15:15 PM
At the beginning I use the Rvg-KS 33 and Rvg-KS 45, and if needed the Rvg-KS 45 get the passanger trailer.
I start mail transport not before 1950. In this year the combined Passanger and mail Stop can be build.

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 22, 2009, 12:20:37 PM
Oke, thanks :) I'm getting on quite fine atm. I've used 330k of my capital (still 170k left) and I've already set up the bus-train- network :)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/157g1as.jpg)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on June 22, 2009, 12:44:48 PM
You can use bus trailers for delivering mail.I do so,and I make profit with the lines.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 22, 2009, 12:47:25 PM
Okay lol, I'll do that :p
And do ya'll play those 15 without Fast-Forward? That button is really tempting but every time I press it, some stop gets crowded :x
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 22, 2009, 12:52:53 PM
Yes, I played the 15 years without using fast forward. Although if this means that you have to wait sometime before you have got enough money to get next planned things going.

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on June 22, 2009, 01:32:08 PM
Wow,I use the fast-forward button normally to see if I make profit,otherwise-not.:-)

PS:I don't have a PC-I have an old notebook from apple.

PPS:No,it's not a mac.It's Linux.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 22, 2009, 03:51:03 PM
I'm going to use a new tactic lol. I'll connect the factories first and then connect the cities. I hope that gives more profit.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 22, 2009, 10:52:14 PM
Wow! Great that so many people are involved with this
challenge. It's fun to read this all.

It is very addicting: I dont sleep or eat anymore, and I
only play Ragoland... ;D

Finally I am over 30.000 population.
I built 2 large circle lines, and connected them at
Stavenger. Because this could be unrealistic (travellers
have to make stupid travels) I did 2 things.
1) an extra highspeed connection Sola-Sandines
2) circle lines service in both directions.

Here are the screens:
(click to watch full image)

 (http://thumbnails13.imagebam.com/3985/e6266c39843814.gif) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/e6266c39843814) (http://thumbnails18.imagebam.com/3985/30cbbb39843816.gif) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/30cbbb39843816) (http://thumbnails6.imagebam.com/3985/09620b39843817.gif) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/09620b39843817) (http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/3985/40e3c539843818.gif) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/40e3c539843818)

With thanks to hApo for the great hint to be more careful
with building bus-stops.


Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: KrazyJay on June 23, 2009, 06:11:28 PM
Is it me or is the industry chain broken? The refinery can't send out gasoline and chemicals, so I get stuck with the Shopping mall chain...
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 23, 2009, 07:51:15 PM
Hi KrazyJay,

gasoline and chemicals are not needed for the shoppingmall, you only need the plastic the refinery produces for the goods factory.
There is no need for a demand of all products that a factory produces.

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Banksie_82 on June 24, 2009, 03:59:13 AM
I’ve noticed a few people saying that they are laying extra lines (train or bus) to make the transport network more realistic, i.e. shorter route for the commuter. Have these people tried Simutrans Experimental?

In Experimental the passenger trips are not calculated based on the number of transfers, but rather total travel time, including the time spent waiting at stops. In addition to this, if the shortest rout is still a long amount of time, some (a percentage based on something??) will just drive their cars.

Speed bonus is also calculated on actual average speed, not theoretical maximum speed like in the standard version.

This means in more built up maps than this one, you can create a network that looks more like the subways of London or Paris, and it will actually be beneficial for your network. Also express routs between hubs don’t just ease congestion; they will increase your income because of higher average speeds.

The problem I have with it at the moment is that no pak sets are completely compatible yet. I like to play pak128 but many of the possible features are not included.

Also, I played Rogaland, and shortly after setting up a passenger network, covering all the towns, I had money coming out my ears. I think it was about 90k a month operational profit. So it still needs some balancing. When I had plenty of money I set up the industrial network but my operational profit didn’t go up by much. So the industrial part of my business was only breaking even, even though I was using some of the passenger rail network.

In all, I recommend trying it, it’s a lot more realistic, and will be even more so when the Pak developers put out compatible versions for it.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 24, 2009, 01:37:25 PM
http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland(3).sve
My Rogaland challange, anyone tips? I didn't build a second train-network because when I did that during my second attempt I lost lots of money.

Edit:
August. Year 1932 ; 120,000 Credits left.
Doing quite fine now with my Rogaland Challange lol. Stavanger grew with 152.2 % in 2 years. Total population (of all cities) is now just under the 10.000 and Im in august 1932 atm.

Edit 2:
http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland 1933.sve
May. Year 1933 ; 74,000 Credits left.
Doing really fine now atm. Stavanger is growing like nuts and now Sola is too. Sola grew 185.6 % (!!!!) in 3 months. The next-fastest-growing city is egersund, with a growth percentage of 4.2
I've set up a nice bus network that connects all the cities. Ive also got a train network between Randaberg and Stavanger, with a double-Greenclass-Train transporting people (164 capacity). I'll buy a third railwagon if more passangers travel between Randaberg and Stavanger. I think I need to get Sandnes to transport more people, the only people that go to Sandnes go there because of the Ruined-House thats close to Sandnes.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on June 24, 2009, 04:50:45 PM
Here's my another another of this challenge. I haven't bancrupted, but the cash in 1945 is still $-300 000. My profit in 1945 was $190 000 (so if I play to 1947, cash will be OK). I transport only passangers and mail because I hadn't enough money to connect the Goods factory chain (I think $1 000 000 is needed for this). And I realized that It's better to have many doubled Kihas on the double track with one tile stations than one express that need 4 or more tiles...
Total population growed over 28 000.  
http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/RogalandC.sve
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr38.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr39.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr40.png)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 24, 2009, 05:12:21 PM
Omg. 25604 passengers waiting :p
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on June 24, 2009, 05:59:45 PM
However I have doubled the number of Kihas it has no effect...
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 24, 2009, 06:00:21 PM
Lol, that kinda suckish. Try to tripple the amount of Kihas :D
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 24, 2009, 06:32:39 PM
Hi

Ive only played Pak64 in the years 1800-1815 before now.  I'm struggling here.

First off there so much to do . So many choices. New industry. Iron horses. Motorised carts with foul smelling exhaust (not that horse/ox exhaust is particularly pleasant).

I'm trying to be realistic and have a variety of transport types, to avoid multiple lines that take goods on convoluted journeys past their stops.  Profit is hard to come by.

Ive also chosen to ignore the rule about obsolete vehicles.  A cheap sailing ship was used when funds were short.

A couple of screen shots:

Initial set up. Lorries, buses, trains, ships.  No trams or planes..will get them when i can work out how to earn enough cash to afford them.
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7233/simscr02.th.png) (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr02.png)
I planned to use the train carrying waste to the incinerator to bring passengers down to the lake.  There ships take them to the two other ports for onward connection.  Most places are connected with passenger services to help growth.

I was in loan for 3 months so gave up and waited for the bankruptcy.  But it didn't come.  Now 5 months in loan and still ticking over.  Is this a bug..shouldn't the game end after three months of debt?  How far and long can i be in debt?  Can I buy a titantic ship if money/debt is unlimited?

I doubt it. I instead spent money I didn't have to buy a paddle steamer ship. Its quite a bit cheaper and slower. However  its just profitable (earlier obsolete ships are slower and make a loss)
(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1118/simscr08.th.png) (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr08.png)

My next challenge if the game doesn't bankrupt me is steel. The steelmill has been making steel and soon reaches its storage limit. I need to transport it if coal and iron is still to be demanded.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 24, 2009, 06:37:42 PM
You'll go bankrupt when your Net-Wealth goes negative ;)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: jamespetts on June 24, 2009, 08:15:04 PM
Banksie,

thank you for the recommendation of Simutrans-Experimental! Compatible paksets are currently in progress, in particular, Pak192.Comic.Experimental, Pak64-19thCentury-Experimental and Pak128.Britain-Experimental. I have been working on the latter, which should be a very exciting pakset when it is all ready. A beta version of the standard Pak128.Britain is expected out in a few weeks, which should be followed by an early beta of the experimental version. Beta testers would be very much appreciated, as would anyone who can contribute anything to the pakset (not necessarily graphics, although that would be useful, too: anything from testing to researching vehicles to adding to our lists of real and fictional UK town names would all be very helpful).

In general, it's very interesting to see everyone's different versions of hthis same map: it gives an excellent idea of the variety that can be achieved with Simutrans :-)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 24, 2009, 09:48:18 PM
A mistake.  I didnt notice for a year that I was using an incorrect passenger coach.  Instead of a cheaper 70 passenger version Ive been using a high speed 1st class version that takes just 44 passengers.  All benefit of such a plush coach is lost when its pulled behind 0-4-0 tank engines that cart trash to the incinerator.

Doh!
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6246/istclass.th.png) (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/istclass.png/)


Edit:  Monuments:
- Is there a list of the triggers that cause monuments to be added?
- Why do some, and not all, of the residents rejoice? Is there any cause or significance to that rejoicing number?
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/806/simscr09.th.png) (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr09.png)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 25, 2009, 06:49:55 PM
Hi

Ive pulled together this simple table summarizing everyones progress. Click on the thumbnail to enlarge it.

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1017/ragolandsummary25june.th.png) (http://img140.imageshack.us/i/ragolandsummary25june.png/)

Quite a few gaps eh. 

Please feel free to post screenshots or text a reply saying how you are doing and which year.  I will include your details and post an updated table on a regular basis...at least until we declare 'its over' and move onto something different.

We don't have to play the whole 15 years?  This summary will show how you were doing when you have had enough or if real life events like babies come along and take over.   Recording progress annually we can watch the rise (and fall) of players. If any did particularly well or badly during over certain years perhaps we could have a discussion and learn /help each other.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: KrazyJay on June 25, 2009, 07:29:36 PM
Here's my upload. I'm not quite sure whether I'm doing well or not, and if I will continue this one or start all over again. I actually never made it so difficult when I started a game myself... http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland009a.sve (http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland009a.sve) If there's any advice, please share it with me  ;)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 25, 2009, 07:53:05 PM
Nice :) Can someone give me some tips how to complete Rogaland? Should I start with factories or with passengers, should I concentrate on trains , busses or even planes? Is it worth continuing playing I've you're capital is negative/
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on June 25, 2009, 08:58:44 PM
We don't have to play the whole 15 years?  This summary will show how you were doing when you have had enough or if real life events like babies come along and take over.   Recording progress annually we can watch the rise (and fall) of players. If any did particularly well or badly during over certain years perhaps we could have a discussion and learn /help each other.


Haha, did u have anyone specific in mind here? ;) Anyway, nice job with the table!
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 25, 2009, 09:14:39 PM
Hi Severous,

here is an overview of my population during the period of the 15 years.
Each taken directly after the year changed.

01.1930      8.615
01.1931      9.866
01.1932      10.563
01.1933      11.691
01.1934      13.919
01.1935      15.017
01.1936      16.055
01.1937      17.563
01.1938      18.735
01.1939      19.594
01.1940      20.904
01.1941      21.968
01.1942      23.124
01.1943      24.382
01.1944      25.723
01.1945      26.953

I´ve continued the game, actually I am in 1964. At the beginnig of 64 I had a population of 64.091.

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 25, 2009, 10:35:02 PM
Hi

Ive pulled together this simple table summarizing everyones progress. Click on the thumbnail to enlarge it.


Hey there, very nice work!
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 25, 2009, 11:11:04 PM
Ive got the save KrazyJay.

Your progress, and all other new reports, will be in the next table update tomorrow evening.

KrazyJay. You are loosing money and the first thing that I notice is the station coverage.  Its good..too good. Stops that don't cover any buildings are not contributing to passengers, mail nor growth. They are costing maintenance fees. Transport serving them, if its empty, will be loosing money.  Fewer stops perhaps until the city grows.

15 buses and two trains.  You need more vehicles.  Those you have could have revised routes to stop more often at the stations where passengers often wait? The busy shopping centre is a good example.
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2137/simscr11.th.png) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr11.png)

I think a town hall should be fully covered by stop catchment area(s) to pick up all its passengers.

You didnt spend your starting money very quickly. Its been eaten away by losses as the years go past. Pause the game at the start to set up many routes and add vehicles and stations as needed.  Rohal and Dutchman on Rails have both posted good accounts and done very well. Take a leaf out of their books perhaps?

The bus terminals and stations look good.  When busy I think they will handle many vehicles easily.  An unnecessary expense at this stage perhaps?
Anyhow. Hope theres something there that helps.  Good luck.


Unrelated to KrazyJay..from my own game.  I hope this will be a profitable route.  Steam powered log lorries are cheap and have the best cost per tile per cargo of the three types of log lorry available.  Hauling wood and then planks on the return journey should make them highly profitable. And I still need some decent profits. Downslope assists acceleration away from the station..although with a 25kph top speed that makes little difference to these well powered vehicles.
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/408/simscr10.th.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr10.png)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: V813 on June 26, 2009, 01:25:40 AM
Hi,
I'm playing pretty slowly, still in November 1932. Here's my status:
Net wealth 482,813.75
Population 9180

Starting with small networks... Map in November 1932
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/keithorz/simutrans/20090626/mapNov1932.png)

Current services
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/keithorz/simutrans/20090626/mapNov1932withroutes.png)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: KrazyJay on June 26, 2009, 08:45:21 AM
Thanks Severous. I usually tend to start a map with freeplay for the first 2 decades to build up a network, then I restart and let it continue normally. Probably that's why from the first day I greatly invest in hubs, lines and capacity. Same for the but stops, they cover grounds that will probably be covering buildings in the future, as each city expands. But now, trying it the "honest" way, it so hard for me to change my game play... Argh! But thanks for the feedback, I'll restart and give it a try with your suggestions!
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 26, 2009, 10:03:16 PM
Quote Krazyjay:  "so hard for me to change my game play"  So the challenge is living up to its name eh :-)

V813: That's rubbish!.  
I should know. I did the same! Hauling rubbish was my first line also.  I wasn't sure at the time but can see from screenshots that its a power station.  Are powerlines very profitable?  I think I'm going to wait until(if) a factory chain needs power.

I'm using tank engines to move the rubbish. You?
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3852/simscr01.th.png) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr01.png)
The slope on station exit is deliberate to help them pick up speed. These are weak engines. 5 wagons are the limit I use. Oh yes..and I got a post route working now.


Anime:  I see your question above. I doubt planes are profitable. Ive tried one in a scenario and it lost money. Ive seen a comment somewhere in another thread that planes are rarely profitable.  Pity we don't have first class passengers who pay more to make the early planes profitable. I think trains and buses would be profitable provided they travelled full most of the time...but what do i know..its Rohal who has made tons of money in this challenge.

Summary updated. Thanks for the extra information Rohal. It makes a useful guide to what we need to achieve each year to turn in a good result like yours, hApo and Optimix.
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9254/summary26june.th.png) (http://img150.imageshack.us/i/summary26june.png/)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on June 27, 2009, 02:21:39 AM
Sorry,I'm late.Savegame: http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/RogalandMatthi205beginning.sve
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 27, 2009, 07:09:19 AM
Your train isn't really profitable lol. Its income is -3000 :x
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: V813 on June 27, 2009, 09:34:30 AM
V813: That's rubbish!.  
I should know. I did the same! Hauling rubbish was my first line also.  I wasn't sure at the time but can see from screenshots that its a power station.  Are powerlines very profitable?  I think I'm going to wait until(if) a factory chain needs power.

I'm using tank engines to move the rubbish. You?
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3852/simscr01.th.png) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr01.png)
The slope on station exit is deliberate to help them pick up speed. These are weak engines. 5 wagons are the limit I use. Oh yes..and I got a post route working now.
I'm using two trains to bring the rubbish to the incinerator, each with 13 wagons. They have RVg 2-5-1 engines (552kW), dunno if it is called strong or weak...
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/keithorz/simutrans/20090626/TrainforGarbage.png)

This railway station is next to the garbage dump nearest to Egersund. Twenty-seven road trucks transport the waste from the other two dumps to the station. I chose to use road vehicles because I can use the existing road. Additional trucks will congest the road, though, so I may need to shift to railway later.

By July 1934 I have linked up most of the factories in the south by freight trains:
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/keithorz/simutrans/20090626/mapJuly1934.png)
but I haven't adjusted the no. of trains such that the network meets the demand of the factories. The next step will be establishing passenger services with the new freight rail network.

Population: 9,652 (not growing quickly because I have only completed a few passenger connections)
Net wealth: 417,539.60 (a lot was lost in 1933 to building the train network in the south, but the increased profit compensated some of it)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 27, 2009, 10:18:42 AM
Hi Severous,

to complete my data for your list, here my net wealth develpment over the 15 years of the game. they all are taken at the beginnig of every year.

01.1932      246.082
01.1933      255.698
01.1934      273.424
01.1935      309.561
01.1936      372.553
01.1937      458.596
01.1938      567.241
01.1939      696.739
01.1940      875.721
01.1941      1.203.123
01.1942      1.725.520
01.1943      2.093.505
01.1944      2.655.324

Greets

Rohal
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 27, 2009, 02:25:01 PM
Thanks for the picture v813, and the data Rohal.   13 wagons hmm. The tank engine im using will hardly move with that sort of load.  Especially bulk wagons which are much heavier than other wagons like planks. 

Rohal..do you recall what made your wealth increase so much in the last few years?

Incidentally do you all know that you can obtain year end data from the chart in the city list.  Click on the dots that make up the chart graph. The number shows up whilst you hold the mouse button down.

Ive completed another year.  Population growing well and net wealth holding steady.  A lot to do still as too many passengers waiting around especially at the steel mill.
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/368/simscr04v.th.png) (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr04v.png)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Rohal on June 27, 2009, 02:34:01 PM
Hi Severous,

i will have a look at my savegames for each year. Might take a few minutes. :-)
I have just completed the year 1967, population 74.461, net wealth 16,885mio.

Between 1940 and 1941 I made an operating profit of 446.070. Most of the profit I invested in new Vehicles.
In 1941 I made an op of 604.081, which also was invested in new vehicles. So you can see it was my good operating Profit that rose my net wealth.
In 1942 my profit was 743.213. Mos of it was invested to establish my garbage Trains between the three Dump and the incenator.
In 1943 I made a profit of 825.409. I used all of this to get most of the other factories to work, therefore I had to build many new tracks so not everything of the profit could raise my netwealth.
1944 saw a profit of 805.485. During this year I completed my goods network. And connected some Factories to my power network.


Greets

Rohal

Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 27, 2009, 06:10:05 PM
My fifth attempt on the Rogaland :p Now I'm only focusing on passengers, anyone know what I should do now?

http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland 1932.sve
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on June 27, 2009, 10:02:00 PM
...... anyone know what I should do now?


Well I do not know what to do now, I can only tell
you, what I would do now....:-)

Your nethealth looks great, so you have plenty possibilities
to invest more.
- There are bus stops in Haugesand very
red, so you can buy more (or faster?) busses?
- In Tau and Sola (and more towns) there is room for
new bus-stops

I think you made a good start....
The 2 stations at Randaberg I do not understand so well.
It looks like if the bus-stops and the train-stations are
not joined together in one station. But maybe I am wrong..
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 28, 2009, 01:23:06 AM
Anime
- organise bus routes so that no stops get crowded, so no stops turn orange.
- Take the passengers to the hubs where they can pile up waiting for the next train. 
- The supermarket is not covered by any stop..it should be as it generates lots of passengers and will be a travel destination for many others.
- There are other industries you might want to service with just a bus via a cheap dirt road.

Ive got my goods chain working now. The supermarket will contribute to growth. Pity just one of the three items it wants to sell can be supplied. Perhaps more industries will spawn?  Has anyone had any new chains appear?

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3852/simscr01.th.png) (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/simscr01.png/)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 28, 2009, 07:58:40 AM
Thanks Sev, Optimix. I'll have a look :)
And that station in Haugesund failed lol. I don't know why but no passengers travelled through the branch station (probably not connected good to the station or something) and when I build a station in Randaberg nobody used the line lol.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: KrazyJay on June 28, 2009, 08:11:07 AM
I started all over with the Rogaland challenge, I wanted to try it another way. After building the waste chains, I got stuck already. What am I doing wrong? Any advice? I added my savegame here: http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland_02.sve (http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland_02.sve).
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 28, 2009, 12:05:41 PM
Hi.

KrazyJay..Your waste route is profitable.  I'm no expert at rail roads but suspect there are designs that will improve the main junction and reduce the stops at signals.  My thoughts are too much track and some unnecessary crossovers. Platforms too long will mean higher than necessary maintenance fees.  The locomotive you have is top class but more expensive because of that.. and its limited to 50kph by the waste wagons it pulls.  The muscle type loco is perhaps better choice as that has better gearing/acceleration. Longer trains will mean only three locos needed..one each dump. That will mean simpler route is possible.

I didn't add powerlines to my garbage dumps. Didn't seem worth the high cost just to produce extra rubbish.  One of the reasons for me choosing waste route was to also carry passengers down to ships in the lake. (I didn't build a north/south road from Stravangar.)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: KrazyJay on June 28, 2009, 04:17:12 PM
Thanks for your feedback. What would be the most efficient loco + wagon combo for waste? Maybe that'll get me going ;)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 28, 2009, 05:56:35 PM
Best combination...ermm. This is my first go in Pak128. Ive played year1800 in Pak64 and some pak64 scenarios. So Im looking to learn not teach :-)

erm...I played around with your save.  One loco seemed up to clearing the rubbish alone.  The three part Garrat loco + 20 wagons.

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7233/simscr02.th.png) (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr02.png)

By contrast the other loco in shot here was overloaded with just 6 wagons. It worked better on 5.  The 'muscle arm', not in shot, was a good choice. I had three of them pulling 11 to 16 wagons each.   
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: KrazyJay on June 28, 2009, 08:24:31 PM
Thanks for the feedback! It so hard to change gameplay over a scenario... But, I'll keep trying! Don't wait for me to announce a winner! ;)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on June 29, 2009, 06:47:34 AM
I've finally finished Rogaland :p
http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland 1932.6.sve (http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland 1932.6.sve)
Its not a that great save lol, but I made it. Can someone think of another challange that is harder that this one?
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 29, 2009, 06:30:08 PM
Hi

Here is the table updated with all I know..so far.

(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7891/summary29jun.th.png) (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/summary29jun.png/)

Theres been a few comments now about 'what next' and ending this.

I'm weeks away from finished with this one so am in no hurry to try another.  But then I play at snails pace.  

What do you all want to do..?

My recommendation:
- Our host who set up the challenge has the main say
- There were two criteria..population growth and wealth
- There should be a closing date
- Winner gets announced
- Winner has first option to set our next challenge..although hope we can have a discussion first on what we would like (new thread?).


Anyhow..I'm gonna play a few more days of my attempt..got so much to do....

PS..we are an International community.  If you have mates/gameplayers in other countries. Could you consider helping them to participate?
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on June 29, 2009, 06:59:37 PM
Hi guys! Lovely to see all the actions in this thread. It might be time to close this challenge soon, and I would love to hear some ideas about where to go from here. So I'm starting a discussion on this in a new thread, to keep this tread focused on this challenge. You find the new discusiion on http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=2586.msg25847#msg25847

About when to close this challenge, any suggestions?
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on June 29, 2009, 11:17:20 PM
How about deadline of Saturday week..11thJuly?  Declare 'winner' then.

It gives some time for those of us still playing this one and time to agree/organize next challenge.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on June 30, 2009, 09:27:22 AM
I've finished my final (fourth) try of the Rogaland.

The start:
For me, it was not too hard to start. I've connected all of the cities (4 cities were connected by rail).
I had still $262 000 to spent.
http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/RogalandD1.sve - save 2/1930
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr41.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr42.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr43.png)
Next save is from 1933. So I write some data:
1930 - population 9 309 - net wealth 350 000 - profit 29 500
1931 - population 10 248 - net wealth 400 000 - profit 78 000
1932 - population 10 882 - net wealth 453 000 - profit 91 000
http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/RogalandD2.sve - save 1/1933
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Haustation.png)
Hagesund station much bigger and overcrowding...
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Pagodastop.png)
new attractions connected

1933 - population 12 026 - net wealth 494 000 - profit 147 000

Then i connected the factories...
First of all, the bulk train connected iron ore mine and steel mill. But these trains were so expensive, one train cost $100 000 and more.
Because of this, my account balance felt down...
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr46-2.png)
http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/RogalandD3.sve - save 11/1934

1934 - pop 12 765 - nw 650 000 - profit 190 000
1935 - pop 14 152 - nw 688 000 - profit 168 000
1936 - pop 15 528 - nw 798 000 - profit 173 000
1937 - pop 16 188 - nw 911 000 - profit 172 000
1938 - pop 16 908 - nw 1 100 000 - profit 248 000

http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/RogalandD4.sve - save 3/1939
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr47.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr48.png)
Haugesund got trolleybuses instead of slow buses.

Becase the cities didn't grow enough I decided to start carrying mail.
http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/RogalandD5.sve - save 8/1942
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr49.png)
Here you can see Haugesund mail stops and there's mail train in the station.
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr50.png)
You can also see that the main track was doubletracked and Stavanger was trolleybused.

1939 - pop 18 195 - nw 1 213 000 - profit 257 000
1940 - pop 19 806 - nw 1 420 000 - profit 273 000
1941 - pop 22 650 (+2850 !) - nw 1 640 000 - profit 310 000

http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/RogalandD6.sve - save 2/1944
Nothing important, i bought new Kiha's and build stops. And Bryne and Sandnes got trolleybuses.

1942 - pop 24 420 - nw 2 059 000 - profit 523 000
1943 - pop 26 353 - nw 2 530 000 - profit 571 000

Final year 1944, save from 3/1945 - http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/RogalandD8.sve
1944 - pop 28 883 - nw 2 885 000 - profit 488 000 (I started to carry the mail between the factories)
3/1945 - pop 29 325 - nw 2 916 000

Final fotos of the cities:
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr45-2.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr46-3.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr51.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr52.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr53.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr54.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr55.png)
(http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/simscr56.png)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on June 30, 2009, 10:32:51 AM
Severous: The timing sounds good :) We'll ende the official at the end of next week!

I'm trying to complete this aswell.

Population
1931: 9967
1932: 11140
1933: 11888
1934: 13502
1935: 15318
1936: 17411

Net Wealth
1931: 341680
1932: 436571
1933: 532364
1934: 640058
1935: 621323
1936: 725133
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on July 01, 2009, 12:57:38 PM
How about making this challenge every month again (with a different map,of course)?Would be fun.:-)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Anime on July 01, 2009, 07:25:00 PM
I literally only just discovered 'Trolley Busses', 'Trams ' and 'Monorails' this morning and I love 'em.
Trams are a really good cheaper version of trains and trolley busses are ideal for inner-city networks.

http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogalandz.sve

My new save contains  trolley busses and trams now :p
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 02, 2009, 08:09:31 PM
(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1899/summary2july.th.png) (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/summary2july.png/)

Latest summary above..click to enlarge.

One week to go then we end this..or at least declare a winner.  No doubt some will continue to tinker away with their networks.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 02, 2009, 11:44:37 PM
Jan 1934
(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7848/simscr05.th.png) (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr05.png)
Paddle steamer cargo ships use a canal dock to land their plastics at the factory.  During 1934 Power was rationed.  There was no new powerstation and factory demands were excessive across all of Ragoland.  It was an Oilfield that would be the one to get power. More Crude = more plastics.  More plastics = more...ermmm goods.  Already had too many goods so the Shopping Mall was lit up in an orgy of illumination as it was also give power.  That increased sales and used up goods a bit faster...a lot faster.

Oh dear.  A four unit 'green class' is sent by choose signals into one of those new fangled tram stops.  I hadn't expected that.  Some passengers will have to pay extra to ride all the way back to the other end of the line as the train is longer than the tram stop so they cant get off.  :)
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4315/simscr06.th.png) (http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr06.png)

Jan 1935
Ive now honoured my commitment to use both trams and planes. Well one plane.  Its making a small loss itself and having further impacts by attracting hundreds of hopeful passengers to the two airports.  It is only a 17 seater aircraft.  I should be able to charge a premium due to popularity..or just take 1st class passengers..who pay more naturally.
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8366/simscr07.th.png) (http://img44.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr07.png)
I think I should introduce trams in Stravanger..or at least take a look at the bus routes. Theres too many passengers waiting for trips into town.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: gauthier on July 03, 2009, 09:21:04 AM
Hi all,
I read only the begining of this thread, I will try that with the last pak128 since mine has a ... different simuconf.tab xD
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on July 03, 2009, 11:02:02 AM
I will try that with the last pak128 since mine has a ... different simuconf.tab xD

Huh?whitch version do you play?
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: vilvoh on July 03, 2009, 11:20:26 AM
a homebrew one, I guess... ::)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on July 03, 2009, 01:20:37 PM
Self-compiled?Only neccessary on Linux if you have an EEEPC.

I don't know anything... Maybe he's running an Amiga?(i'm not,but I have one)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on July 03, 2009, 01:56:27 PM
Finished the challenge myself :)

39667 people and 3747007,11 Net Wealth

(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9261/rogaland.th.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/rogaland.jpg/)

Population
1931: 9967
1932: 11140
1933: 11888
1934: 13502
1935: 15318
1936: 17411
1937: 19774
1938: 22481
1939: 24542
1940: 26637
1941: 28878
1942: 31753
1943: 34618
1944: 36866
1945: 39667

Net Wealth
1931:  341680
1932:  436571
1933:  532364
1934:  640058
1935:  621323
1936:  725133
1937:  880538
1938: 1143429
1939: 1495015
1940: 1663274
1941: 2083958
1942: 2519005
1943: 2998395
1944: 3446157
1945: 3797264
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: gauthier on July 03, 2009, 02:33:59 PM
no no I didn't compiled it myself, I definitly don't know how to do that, I juste modified simuconf.tab to earn a bit more money :D
By any way I don't play official release because it hasn't underground slopes.

I'm dowloading the last release of pak128 and ST.102
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Michael 'Cruzer' on July 03, 2009, 04:54:52 PM
no no I didn't compiled it myself, I definitly don't know how to do that, I juste modified simuconf.tab to earn a bit more money :D
By any way I don't play official release because it hasn't underground slopes.

I'm dowloading the last release of pak128 and ST.102

Hmm, I don't think that this is so importen what you have written in your simuconf.tab
Most values of simuconf.tab are included in the savegame while making it.
Like money values (like stop/depot maintance), tick per month and so on.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 03, 2009, 05:36:43 PM
Nice outcome LeifInge..very nice.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: hApo on July 03, 2009, 08:21:00 PM
Oh, LeifInge is master, i think that he won his competition. xD
And please, could you upload the save?
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 03, 2009, 11:10:26 PM
Upgraded the paddle steamer passenger ships(x4) with a modern liner. 

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1118/simscr08.th.png) (http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr08.png)

Soon after the paddle cargo ships could also be upgraded.

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/806/simscr09.th.png) (http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr09.png)

Elsewhere though the Airports are hopeless.  Changed the passenger planes, and did some airmail. Fully loaded and they are loss making.  Going to try mail on the ships next.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on July 04, 2009, 02:14:46 AM
Finished the challenge myself :)

39667 people and 3747007,11 Net Wealth


WOW! Amazing!
Can you upload your sve?
I would like to watch how you fixed that.
Congratulations.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on July 04, 2009, 08:41:46 PM
Hi, I will upload my save, but it will some days before I'm at the computer with the file on.
But i can easaly sum up some of the things I did:

- 4 railroads from Randaberg to Stavanger to Haugesund to Sandnes (In the last years I also built a line from randaber to Egersund and Sola) These lines were served by Kihas
- Then I built bus lines in all the cities and to all tourism and industry. So that I could transport all passengers avilable - and got no "No Route"
- Then I carefully expanded my network every time there were a new building outside my station coverage.
- I also bought new Kihas to prevent to many passengers waiting.
- Then I expanded with mailservice early. Again to make sure the as many as possible were transported, and making sure that the cities grew. Here i used mailtrucks and one train covering all four train stations.

So my key tactic was to quickly get maximum coverage, and carefully making sure that eveyone got transported. IMO kiha is an excellent train for transporting people in the 1930s. When I got maximum coverage the number of passengers grew, and my earnings aswell, and I allway tried not get to much overcapacity, but bought new venichles when needed.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 05, 2009, 02:03:27 AM
Hi

Ive made the north<>south connection by ship.  I had tried Air...but that's hopeless.  In the screenshot below the plane is taking off on its last flight. It will be scrapped and the airports ripped up.

I had overlooked the mail barge for years.  Instead a couple of passenger ferries had the mail conversion so they could also carry post. But it wasn't enough.  I hope the post barge is profitable..there it is in the bottom left corner of the screenshot...steaming north up the sea on its maiden voyage to Pagoda stop (it subsequently proved to be the case).

(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2137/simscr11.th.png) (http://img238.imageshack.us/i/simscr11.png/)

My overall design is:  Do everything. Industries are all connectted and limited power supply is directed where it is most needed.  Mail has been carried for years.  A HQ has been built (increased population).

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1462/summary5july.th.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/summary5july.png/)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 05, 2009, 04:36:02 PM
Hi

A few pictures.

These must be rare rubbish eating cows.  Something like that anyway...enough to draw a crowd of onlookers.
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1694/simscr04.th.png) (http://img44.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr04.png)
Sola had a rural look about it back then.  Cows, a field and even an allotment patch growing vegtables.  Why do monuments always have roads around them when built?  They don't last long in my world as unnecessary roads are removed to make room for buildings.

What is it about the people in this world!  Whats so fascinating about rubbish.
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/408/simscr10.th.png) (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr10.png)
Seriously though..these waste industries in PAK128 seem to produce many more passengers than the number on their description suggests they should.

My HQ had been in Egursund..but when it was time for upgrade it was decided to build it in the space between the towns Bryne and Stravanger. There was good transport...and boy doesn't there need to be.  Loads of passengers generated by this structure.  Filled with pride everytime I look at it whilst I tweak the transport in the area.
(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3852/simscr01.th.png) (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr01.png)

The industrial centre of Ragoland. The Steel Mill and marshalling yards where Ore, Coal, Planks and steel all pass.  Not always at the same time like here.!  Conjestion was partly self made...I had just purchased my first 100kph train for the passengers and Mail train that runs from here.  I wanted it to have a clear run so held up a few freight trains to let it pass.  The result is this almost grid lock.  A tribute to Simutrans designers..it all worked correctly and cleared without any helping hands.
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7574/simscr03.th.png) (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr03.png)

Currently have 40,000 people and €9million net wealth.  This is the refinery/factory area.  The cargo bull ship is earning speed bonus for plastics and goods. It travels loaded in both directions between refinery and factory.  Good profits.  You can just see my Suez canal in the bottom left that allows ships to cross between lake and sea.
(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7848/simscr05.th.png) (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr05.png)

Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on July 06, 2009, 07:42:16 AM
Yeah,most of the people want to go to the rubbish stations.Really,that happened to me on all my tries to play Rogaland to the end.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on July 06, 2009, 09:45:51 PM
Is the Ragoland Challenge still open? :-)

I have a new result.
40634 population and 6,9 net health.

I worked for the first time with mail too.
Untill now I could not find out, how to handle mail
with trains, but now I discovered how to do that.
The mail definitly helps the growth of the population.

I constructed a ring line with a direct connection between
the 8 cities. To avoid stupid travels, there is a service
in both directions.

It was fun to watch, that I got about 35 new industries
in August 1944. I did not have time to do something
with that anymore.

Here are the screens:

(http://thumbnails10.imagebam.com/4136/df8b2941356667.gif) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/df8b2941356667)

(http://thumbnails3.imagebam.com/4136/f57f3a41356668.gif) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f57f3a41356668)

(http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/4136/b9b60f41356669.gif) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/b9b60f41356669)

(http://thumbnails5.imagebam.com/4136/09389641356670.gif) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/09389641356670)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 07, 2009, 06:25:23 AM
Nice result Optimix!

New industries. Now thats interesting.  Not had anything new pop up myself and my population total is 43,000 (by 1943)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on July 07, 2009, 01:12:54 PM
Congrats,Severous!You got Moderator!(I won't get,I'm too bad at thinking what to do,without making polls and posting) :D
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on July 08, 2009, 01:16:43 AM
Nice result Optimix!

New industries. Now thats interesting.  Not had anything new pop up myself and my population total is 43,000 (by 1943)

Thanks for the compliment Severous!

Really unbelievable and amazing that you are at
43.000 in 1944. Perhaps you will reach 50.000!
I think you are a very very patient man.
Is that right? It seems to me that you play
very quiet, and carefully. 
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 08, 2009, 06:22:50 AM
Here I was thinking dark thoughts about Optimix.  Did he have different settings or configuration that caused the industries to appear? 

But no...what ever the trigger for new industries is, its happened to me also now.  And just when I thought I could let the game run on without constant tweaking and micromanagement.

I was in the middle of reorganising the oil lines by making one big refinery station rather than two.  But now new industries are all over the place. I will never get this finished as I try to link them all up.
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6122/simscr13.th.png) (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr13.png)

All those new industries at one time. Why?  It left me feeling annoyed and irritated.  Surely it would have been more realistic to have one or two pop up..not 32.

After connecting most for passenger and mail, the unthinkable happened.  Another load of industries appeared. :(  I almost want to give up now.

(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7590/simscr14.th.png) (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr14.png)

I'm not going to bother with it all.  Just the passengers and mail from those easier to connect perhaps.  I really need to get this finished so I can move onto something new.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on July 08, 2009, 08:07:45 AM
The reason that its so many is proparbly because SimuTrans allways create a whole supplyline... From raw materials to finished goods.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on July 08, 2009, 02:59:22 PM
Here I was thinking dark thoughts about Optimix.  Did he have different settings or configuration that caused the industries to appear? 


Well, I really hope you never will have these dark thoughts
in the future! :-)) Of course I do not change settings,
because the fun of the challenge would be gone then.
I also hope that it is impossible to change anyting in these
saved games, like player change is disabled too.

I have a problem with industries too. Here it is always only
2 possibilities: OR enormous masses of stuff waiting with
overcrowded stations OR nothing is happening. As an example:
the steelfactory produces extremely many steel, and just at
the time if you have bought 25 long trains to transport this
all, everything stops for months, with the fun of a file of
25 empty steel-trains, disturbing other traffic. The sawmill
too: it produces so much that 200 cars are not enough :-))

A question: do you think that heavy industry transporting has
an effect on the general population?
2d question: do I see right on the pic of your map, that
Stavenger is not connected with other cities, and that it
is growing only by transporting people in the city itself?

Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 08, 2009, 07:10:09 PM
My dark thoughts were not aimed at Optimix's character..but at the possibility that a configuration setting or modified setting somewhere may have been unintentionally left in play during this save.  Ive participated in many such similar games where so many players have designed and installed their favourite vehicles or tweaked this or that..its impossible to keep track of whats different about their version to everyone elses.  Anyhow..its happened to me..and will to others...so much industry appearing at once. Not good.

Industries chains I understand.  But not what causes them to spawn so unrealistically.  I'm used to similar games, from as long ago as 10 years ago, where industry changed in the game in a logical sort of way.  Not so here. Well not so far in my limited experience. It would not seem unreasonable to have a 5% per month chance of just one random industry (obey era) change per month, to appear, increase, decrease, or disappear. Doesn't have to be a complete chain but does have logic that tends to align production and demand across the map.

As for the two questions:
1) Heavy transport itself doesn't effect population directly but does:
- produce various goods that get consumed in towns.  Like at our shopping mall. Our planks, chemicals and steels produce piece goods and keeping the shop supplied does have a small positive effect on city growth of Sandes.
- heavy transport might limit passenger transport leading to overcrowding. That will limit growth
- rail lines etc might limit city building plots. Might that limit growth?

2) You do not see correctly :)
Stavanger and Bryne are connected to each other.
They are connected to the rest of the world via a high speed rail line to the Lake (and Ferries) and onto the Steel Mill town

I am going to post again..as this forum is poor at allowing you to type long messages.

Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 08, 2009, 07:27:32 PM
Stavanger & Bryne - Passenger overcrowding..a little story.

I thought my new tram line was working ok.  One long loop with many stops seemed to be sufficient.  Passengers never seemed to be waiting.  But when I came back to look a few months later...I saw this. Many stations with passengers waiting and maximum numbers.  This is bad for growth. (I was bad at several stations that month)
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4315/simscr06.th.png) (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr06.png)

What had gone wrong? My trams were all One tram pulling three cars.  They seemed to be working well when I set it up after building that HQ building.  what are you thinking right now...not enough trams..too many passengers....

And look at the impact on growth!  The gap between the dark blue line and light blue line on the graph is large..and growing.  That means lots of passengers did not travel. That's bad for growth.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7233/simscr02.th.png) (http://img41.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr02.png)
To be continued..

Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 08, 2009, 07:38:53 PM
..continued.

So I spent some money on tram routes. €215,010 to be exact.  The one tram loop was made into three separate loops all starting and finishing from the main station connection to the high speed railline to the outside world.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8366/simscr07.th.png) (http://img41.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr07.png)

That's better.  The graphs are now how they should be for maximum growth. All (well most) passengers finding a route and a station with enough waiting room.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/806/simscr09.th.png) (http://img41.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr09.png)

So what.  A typical Simutrans experience perhaps.  Well whilst I was building my last and third route I noticed the cause of the problem.
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5679/simscr08v.th.png) (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr08v.png)

Well Ive correctted it naturally.  But that 'Bryne main stop' was originally build with a post office and one passenger stop. One passenger stop. That was ok when trams only pulled one car.  But they all pull 3 cars now so need a two tile passenger stop. This meant passengers who wanted Bryne main stop and got on elsewhere into the third and fourth cars..could never get off.  Over time the third and fourth cars of my trams were full up with passengers who wanted to go to Bryne main stop but who could not get off. This meant the trams were full, slow, yet only using two of their four cars. It was that which over time had caused the problem. One missing platform at that tram station.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 09, 2009, 09:14:15 PM
Finished.

January 1945.
Population 48,125.
Net Wealth 14,085,227

Screenshot attached.
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1694/simscr04.th.png) (http://img183.imageshack.us/i/simscr04.png/)

Summary so far attached. I will continue to update this.
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2092/summary9july.th.png) (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/summary9july.png/)

Very spoilt at the end. Three sets of industry chains appeared for no apparent reason and completely swamping the map. Totally unrealistic. I hope that was a setting in this map and not something that's going to occur in every game.

Thanks for setting the challenge LeifInge.  Time to move on to another now.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on July 09, 2009, 11:12:08 PM
Congratulations!
You're the winner.
I tried to beat you today, but I had no luck.
Only 500 more than 40620.

Great challenge, hope there will be a funny new
challenge soon.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on July 10, 2009, 02:45:59 AM
I made one,but it's not in obey era mode,because it's 64x3xxx and with 20 cities and 2 industry chains...
It's called LongChallenge because I had no better name at hand ;)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on July 10, 2009, 09:37:43 AM
Very spoilt at the end. Three sets of industry chains appeared for no apparent reason and completely swamping the map. Totally unrealistic. I hope that was a setting in this map and not something that's going to occur in every game.

Thanks for setting the challenge LeifInge.  Time to move on to another now.

Hi Severous! First of all, congrats with your result! The industry spawn isn't a setting just for this map, but standard gameplay. I agree that this isn't very relistic, so I would encoruage you to start a thread about this - and add som screenshots aswell. Would be interesting to hear if its possible to change something.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: The Hood on July 10, 2009, 09:41:12 AM
The mass industry spawning is particularly noticable in pak128 because it has very large, complex industry chains.  Industry chains are generated by the game when a city reaches a certain population, and a new "market" (end-chain factory) is created.  This in turn creates any necessary extra factories to supply that market, and factories to supply those factories that supply the market (etc).  If the market has lots of input goods, and several stages to the chain (a lot of pak128 chains are like this) then a lot of factories are generated at a single time...
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: VS on July 10, 2009, 10:28:09 AM
Yup, it's a known problem and I should tackle it asap... time permitting :(
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Optimix on July 10, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
A picture for fun only :-)

Randaberg-Tau-Egersund grown together.....

(http://thumbnails18.imagebam.com/4173/48ac1c41723103.gif) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/48ac1c41723103)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 11, 2009, 09:41:30 AM
In which ever transport game I play I've always quite like the look of bulk trains carrying a mix of different cargos.
This is late in the challenge when Ive got industries all over the place resulting in cargos moving in many directions.
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3852/simscr01.th.png) (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr01.png)

This taught me to build road bridges. The main freight line was disrupted by the oil lorries crossing the line and queuing on the tracks.  No trains smashing into lorries and causing a fireball as in TT.  :(
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7574/simscr03.th.png) (http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=simscr03.png)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Dutchman on Rails on July 12, 2009, 06:08:44 AM
I would like to extend my congratulations to Severous as well. It's very impressive, especially the population growth.

The comparisons year over year help me too, because one can see the relative developments.

Regarding level crossings, there's no big fireball like in TTD and end of vehicle, that's true, but I've had it several times now that when a train is waiting at a level crossing for a passing car and I happen to pause, the train never starts moving again and I have to restart from the last save... :'(
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 12, 2009, 07:11:31 AM
Thank you all.

Its good to see players participating and I hope there are others, lurking, who have also given it a go. Perhaps over time as we do more of these a few more players will 'come out' and join us.  Screenshots are the key.  Please feel free to message me if you need any assistance with putting screenshots on the forum.

Whilst the end date is past I will update the result table, for a while anyway.

For population growth I did five main things:
- participated in the forum threads on city and population growth. To understand what causes growth
- attempted total passenger and mail coverage at all times. Everything with mail and passengers connectted and serviced
- Passengers waiting in towns should never exceed stop capacity. My main hubs were outside the towns. Thousands waited there
- Made goods for the supermarket (a small plus for growth of Sandes)
- Built and upgraded the HQ
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: LeifInge on July 12, 2009, 09:37:00 AM
Well done Severous! I think this challenge have been very entertaining! Well done every one!

Now we have a new challenge, and hopefully more people will join the july challenge. I can also tell you all that we are working on a bigger challenge for the fall. More information will come, but I think that you should all look forward to it with joy.

Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Helian on July 15, 2009, 02:38:38 AM
Regarding level crossings, there's no big fireball like in TTD and end of vehicle, that's true, but I've had it several times now that when a train is waiting at a level crossing for a passing car and I happen to pause, the train never starts moving again and I have to restart from the last save... :'(

I've always been able to get them to restart by clicking on the schedule, then exiting out of the schedule.  I once had a very busy stop attached to a refinery that would jam up at the beginning of every year for some reason, I got very good at finding which train was jaming all the others behind it.  Eventually I just added another station branch so 4 trains could be parked at once, it was really annoying since one wasn't really needed.
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Dutchman on Rails on July 20, 2009, 05:59:17 PM
Well, I did the same thing, and most of the time it works. But sometimes on level crossings even that doesn't get my drivers to move...
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Severous on July 20, 2009, 09:49:44 PM
Did you see the post in another part of the forum..about the 'b' key ?  

Press that and the reserved blocks of track/road show up in red.  If you then click on the red where the problem is it cancels the reservation and forces a new check of route.  

Its cleared a few problems..plus can be useful to watch and learn.

Edit: The summary..last version..now that DoR has finished his play of Ragoland (see separate thread)
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4625/summary8sepfinal.th.png) (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/summary8sepfinal.png/)
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Dutchman on Rails on July 25, 2009, 12:50:32 PM
Thx. Severous about the b key. I noticed one can see the reservations, but not that they can be cancelled out that way...
Title: Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
Post by: Matthi205 on May 29, 2010, 01:53:26 PM
Can someone re-upload the Rogaland-Challenge?
I re-installed the Systemof my Computer and because I maked no Backup before that the save is lost... :-[