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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #210 on: November 10, 2012, 04:14:28 PM »
Well last modifications of special buildings :

New Old

I will submit pakfiles soon for commit to svn

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #211 on: November 11, 2012, 10:47:24 AM »
Well,
In the middle of the project, I need to make a point. I propose it to you and it will be updated as one goes along
For branch "special_buildings/city" :

Name Progress SVN
abbys_0 Completed yes
castle_0 Completed yes
church_02 Completed yes
church_03 Completed yes
church_04 Completed yes
church_05 Completed yes
church_06 Completed yes
circus_0 0% 
civilian_radar Completed yes
cur_01_128_jh Completed yes
elementary_school_1 Completed yes
elementary_school_2 Completed yes
firestation Completed yes
fort_fun   0 % 
futuristic_tower_0 Completed yes
grass_stadium 95%  
green_house 0%  
high_school_1 0% 
house_ruins_0 Completed yes
justice Completed yes
lighthouse_0 Completed yes
lighthouse_1 Completed yes
manor_0 Completed yes
market_place_0 Completed yes
military_radar 0%  
mt_hotel_0 0%  
museum_0 0% 
observatory Completed yes
old_gate 0%  
old_house_0 0%  
pagoda01 Completed yes
park_0 0%  
radio_tower_0 Completed yes
rmax_clock_tower Completed yes
rmax_courthouse 0%  
rmax_icarus 0%  
rmax_mosque Completed yes
rock_0 0%  
ruin_0 0%  
ruin_1 0%  
russian_cathedral Completed yes
sh_oasis_seasons Completed yes
small_manor Completed yes
st_benedict_church Completed yes
st_peter Completed yes
triumph Completed yes
tv_tower_0 Completed yes
tv_tower_1 Completed yes
wheel 0% 
windmill 0%  
wooden_church Completed yes


Here part3 of special_building/city completed :
including
  • market_place_0
  • tv_tower_0
  • tv_tower_1
  • firestation
  • elementary_school_1
  • elementary_school_2
http://www.simutrans-france.fr.nf/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=fr:special_buildings_city_part3.zip

I ask please to VS (or Fabio) to download them and commit this set. Thank per advance.



note: updated svn status as of 13th November 2012 (in purple) ~Fabio
« Last Edit: November 27, 2012, 11:51:07 AM by mEGa »

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #212 on: November 11, 2012, 02:30:28 PM »
I will take care of this...

in r1026 :)
« Last Edit: November 11, 2012, 03:17:21 PM by VS »

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #213 on: November 11, 2012, 04:12:42 PM »
I will take care of this...

in r1026 :)
Thank you.
I posted suggestion about big transformations for grass stadium and high school. You can follow discussion here :
http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=10809

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #214 on: November 11, 2012, 04:18:12 PM »
You can count sh_oasis_seasons ad 100% done, as the original had already a snow image. ;)

Nice work as usual!

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #215 on: November 11, 2012, 04:22:20 PM »
You can count sh_oasis_seasons ad 100% done, as the original had already a snow image. ;)

Nice work as usual!
Done . I forgot it  :P

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #216 on: November 11, 2012, 06:33:56 PM »
Hello on all
the they gives the building a Winterlook.
their make a very good work.
A big Thank you.

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #217 on: November 13, 2012, 12:24:43 AM »
A new batch of houses is ready ;)

These houses (as well as next batch) experiment a new alignment to the sidewalk, with a backyard (like the blocks) instead of a front yard (like most of the other independent houses).
They are also aligned to a side of the tile, so they can happen to become semi-detached, according to what is built near.

NEWOLD

I'll commit them into SVN tomorrow.
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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #218 on: November 13, 2012, 02:34:53 AM »
Those are excellent, nice work!
I can't do much with them right now, but I'd love to see how they look at semi-detached side-by-side.  They'll make some great looking low level residential areas.
I am amazed at how quickly you managed to do all four rotations.

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #219 on: November 13, 2012, 11:02:25 AM »
Latest batch (#8) in SVN r1030.



I can't do much with them right now, but I'd love to see how they look at semi-detached side-by-side.  They'll make some great looking low level residential areas.

Then this screenshot is for you ;)





I am amazed at how quickly you managed to do all four rotations.

Four rotations in 2D are not trivial, but I paint all of them at once. I start making a "map" of building's footprint on the tile i 4 rotations: seen everything "top-down" helps a lot with positioning and non-rectangular parts. Then I "build the walls" is solid color; if it's not a rectangular building, I split it in rectangular parts and copy-paste them on the ground map. At this point I add a roof with the same method of splitting non-square parts. Eventually, I give the walls a texture using a flood bucket tool. After that, I start adding windows thinking: if on these 2 walls they are like this, how will they look in the next rotation? Similarily I add the details (vegetation, chimneys and so on), often using just the ground map to place the trees correctly in the four rotations. Finally I copy-paste the whole lot, add the snow, and replace trees with their winter version.
This whole process can take several hours, but I make now batches of 10 similar buildings, so that most of this process can go in parallel (e.g. if I get the windows right for one, I copy-paste them in the others and just change some lesser detail).

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #220 on: November 13, 2012, 11:35:09 AM »
One small complaint for 00_20, 00_25, 02_15, 03_15 :) There's no doubt these are apartment blocks, even if small, so some connecting staircase/corridor must be there, usually forming a distinctive vertical element (?) inside the house - often placed "above door" (for lack of better words). It is common that this thing has different windows. Sometimes big ones, maybe even with balconies, sometimes smaller ones, sometimes placed between levels... Lack of this is somewhat noticeable. It's a (minor) mistake on many other buildings already, as all have what I'd call "window monoculture". Given that you're painting these anew, maybe you could try some variation in future models?

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #221 on: November 13, 2012, 12:22:02 PM »
Agreed. These stairwells are usually in the back side of the building (at least in Italy*), for building not extremely modern. I already put the back door in correspondence with the front door (hence assuming there is a ground floor corridor between the two). I'll try to put different windows above the back door in buildings of 2+ storeys (I might as well edit these 00_20 and 00_25 later, after I tested this solution in next batch).

* It was (is) considered that the street side of the building is the "master" side, with living rooms and main bedrooms, whereas the backyard side is for the kitchen, washroom, secondary bedrooms, and other "utilities", including the stairwell and the elevator shaft, when present.

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #222 on: November 13, 2012, 01:09:11 PM »
Ah, that makes sense, too.

I tried to find some examples of this, and to my astonishment, could not find (m)any. Lacking evidence, I take that back ;D It seems to be mostly a feature of some concrete panel blocks, namely the one where I spent my childhood (file 07).

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #223 on: November 15, 2012, 04:52:04 PM »
Next batch will transform some houses 1 tile wide into row housing.
Here's a preview, before details and vegetation:



Row houses look better in 8 rotations, so that corners are handled better.
I'd appreciate some feedback before it's too late. ;)

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #224 on: November 15, 2012, 05:54:35 PM »
Hi,
Very very good work !  I ask me a question : do the set not too uniform because row houses are too similar ? I'm afraid city with this buildings show monotonous aspect if each model grows in same area ?

Another suggestion to improve aspect of [color=#0]high-rise block[/color][/font]: put down pipe (pipe where rainwater falls towards ground, I don't know this word in english) in border of house for break monotonous line.
I don't know if you understand, sorry for my poor english.

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #225 on: November 15, 2012, 07:02:20 PM »
Fabio you have make a got job!

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #226 on: November 19, 2012, 06:43:46 PM »
New batch released:

NEWOLD

In r1036.

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #227 on: November 19, 2012, 07:19:01 PM »
Fabio
cool.very good work.

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #228 on: November 19, 2012, 08:34:16 PM »
Beautiful!

I particularly love the corner blocks, those are lovely.

Seeing the rows of trees in the backyard really makes me wish there was a way to get tree-lined sidewalks.  I guess the only way to make that happen would be to have a building set back from the edge of the tile enough to extend the sidewalk in to the tile and add the trees there.  And then that leaves a lot less room for the actual building... and it would conflict with the tiles beside it that didn't have the tree-lined sidewalks built in.

Another idea would be to have trees outside the edge of the tile but then they would interfere with stations and other road additions.  They'd look fine on a bare sidewalk but otherwise would cause a visual conflict.

Unless the road itself was modified to have trees on it... but then they'd be all over the entire urban area and be repetitive.

It's good to dream, though :)

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #229 on: November 19, 2012, 08:47:36 PM »
you could use trolley-bus catenary as a means to get tree-lined sidewalks.

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #230 on: November 19, 2012, 09:22:47 PM »
THe idea of a timeline of wayobj instead the standard sidewalks is around for ages. I first though of it for the electric lines in downtown cities for pak64.japan. (It contains actually two such useless wayobj.)

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #231 on: November 20, 2012, 06:22:38 AM »
Really fine. I love purple trees (prunus ?). A big work as usual ;-)

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #232 on: November 20, 2012, 11:12:16 AM »
Thank you all for your feedback!

you could use trolley-bus catenary as a means to get tree-lined sidewalks.
Not even a catenary, just a wayobj (as also street lights in Pak96.Comic). It would be beautiful, although useless for gameplay. I would make it cheap to build and with no maintainance, so that if you want eyecandy you don't pay for it.

On the other hand, it would be nice to incorporate it directly in city roads.
I could think of a is_cityroad=1 setting for roads: those would have their speed limit floored to 50 km/h (lower is accepted, but not higher) and wouldn't be overtaken by the city.

I love purple trees (prunus ?).
Prunus indeed, at least in my intentions ;)
I was sick and tired of the stock few green trees, so I went for something different and also widespread in cities as an ornamental tree.

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #233 on: November 20, 2012, 11:53:54 AM »
Prunus indeed, at least in my intentions ;)
I was sick and tired of the stock few green trees, so I went for something different and also widespread in cities as an ornamental tree.
Good idea, really. I 'm going to think it in my future addons

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #234 on: November 20, 2012, 01:35:58 PM »
Not even a catenary, just a wayobj (as also street lights in Pak96.Comic). It would be beautiful, although useless for gameplay. I would make it cheap to build and with no maintainance, so that if you want eyecandy you don't pay for it.

On the other hand, it would be nice to incorporate it directly in city roads.
I could think of a is_cityroad=1 setting for roads: those would have their speed limit floored to 50 km/h (lower is accepted, but not higher) and wouldn't be overtaken by the city.

Why not have it being built automaticaly the same way the city takes away the roads from the player when it builds a building nearby.
When the build being built surpasses a certain building level the roads would turn into city roads with trees and/or lights on sidewalks instead of normal city roads. That way the "improved city roads" would be built close to "wealthier" buildings.

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Re: Winter is coming
« Reply #235 on: November 28, 2012, 07:41:18 AM »
Well,
In the middle of the project, I need to make a point. I propose it to you and it will be updated as one goes along
For branch "special_buildings/city" :

Name Progress SVN
abbys_0 Completed yes
castle_0 Completed yes
church_02 Completed yes
church_03 Completed yes
church_04 Completed yes
church_05 Completed yes
church_06 Completed yes
circus_0 0% 
civilian_radar Completed yes
cur_01_128_jh Completed yes
elementary_school_1 Completed yes
elementary_school_2 Completed yes
firestation Completed yes
fort_fun   0 % 
futuristic_tower_0 Completed yes
grass_stadium completed yes
green_house 0%  
high_school_1 completed yes
house_ruins_0 Completed yes
justice Completed yes
lighthouse_0 Completed yes
lighthouse_1 Completed yes
manor_0 Completed yes
market_place_0 Completed yes
military_radar 0%  
mt_hotel_0 0%  
museum_0 0% 
observatory Completed yes
old_gate 0%  
old_house_0 0%  
pagoda01 Completed yes
park_0 0%  
radio_tower_0 Completed yes
rmax_clock_tower Completed yes
rmax_courthouse 0%  
rmax_icarus 0%  
rmax_mosque Completed yes
rock_0 0%  
ruin_0 0%  
ruin_1 0%  
russian_cathedral Completed yes
sh_oasis_seasons Completed yes
small_manor Completed yes
st_benedict_church Completed yes
st_peter Completed yes
triumph Completed yes
tv_tower_0 Completed yes
tv_tower_1 Completed yes
wheel 0% 
windmill 0%  
wooden_church Completed yes


Here part3 of special_building/city completed :
including
  • market_place_0
  • tv_tower_0
  • tv_tower_1
  • firestation
  • elementary_school_1
  • elementary_school_2
http://www.simutrans-france.fr.nf/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=fr:special_buildings_city_part3.zip

I ask please to VS (or Fabio) to download them and commit this set. Thank per advance.



note: updated svn status as of 13th November 2012 (in purple) ~Fabio
« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 12:42:49 PM by mEGa »