Avenue & Roundabout

[Raiser]

Hi,

to learn the basics of painting i'm working on some Avenue and Roundabout addons. Maybe as station-extension or as ways. Besides Aesthetic aspects they are quiet unusual for gameplay but tree covered country roads will certainly look great in the game

So what do you think? Change colours of the fence? Other Tree? Include Traffic Signs? Any ideas?

Here you see a small roundabout - a second bigger one is planed - i added lantern and guiding piles and some shrubbery.



Screenshot





For the Moment...

Raiser

[Vladki]

It would be nice to code it as monument, because when monument is built it is surrounded by road on all sides...
If you want better signs for roundabout, try this: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=9551.msg89780#msg89780
Latest version of pak files is here: https://uran.webstep.net/~vladki/simutrans/pak128/cs_road.unpacked/

[Sarlock]

Looks very nice, Raiser, good work!

[mEGa]

Really fine Raiser.
Don't forget snowy aspect

[Raiser]

It would be nice to code it as monument, because when monument is built it is surrounded by road on all sides...
If you want better signs for roundabout, try this: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=9551.msg89780#msg89780
Latest version of pak files is here: https://uran.webstep.net/~vladki/simutrans/pak128/cs_road.unpacked/

Yes , i'll make the Roundabout as a monument. The Signs are exactly what i was looking for - why are they not included in pak128? Thank you Vladki!

[Raiser]

Really fine Raiser.
Don't forget snowy aspect

Thank you mEGa - I await the comments from you pak-artists before i try the winter aspect.

Regards

[VS]

why are they not included in pak128?

Because the sign shows as if on tile A, but really exists on tile B. It also suggests some effect, which is in fact a fake and depends on structure of roads and signs. In this form, I think it's too complicated for lay users (expected reports: It's broken! The sign shows outside road! Doesn't work with driving on left!). Otherwise, it is nice

[ML]

By the way, am I the only one who noticed the billboard on the right?

Is it your work as well, Raiser? Or is it already existing part of the game which I have never seen..?

[greenling]

Raiser
I Like your Tree.

[Sarlock]

I noticed the billboard... and the RV to the top left of the circle, too

I've been thinking of making billboards for quite a while... as a custom addon for putting alongside freeways.  It wouldn't work as a building as I don't think it would like right just randomly placed by the game in an residential area.

[Fabio]

A crazy idea: road signs with negative maintenance. Placing billboards could help you scraping a few bucks, as the adv companies rent your space.

[Vladki]

why are they not included in pak128? Thank you Vladki!

You are welcome. I started to make my roadsigns because those in pak128 are badly positioned and do not look like signs I see in my country. Now they are included in pak128.cz, but if you like them, just download the whole pack (cs_road.pak) and they will replace the standard road signs. And if the pak128 maintainers like their appearance I will be more than happy if they are included in official pak128.

[transporter]

A crazy idea: road signs with negative maintenance. Placing billboards could help you scraping a few bucks, as the adv companies rent your space.

If only that part about being a transportation sim wasn't around :p But maybe instead of negative, they do have a cost, but you get an increase in pax and mail volume for the city/area

[Sarlock]

The general idea is that if something isn't entirely intuitive in its use/placement, it's best offered as an addon than directly included in the pak.  The improved signs are certainly better than the originals in appearance but their use is a bit trickier.  Maybe there's an extension request somewhere in here to make road signs a bit better on curves/diagonals.  I recall as a beginning player how difficult it was to figure out which way the signs were facing when placed (this includes rail signals).

[Raiser]

By the way, am I the only one who noticed the billboard on the right?

Is it your work as well, Raiser? Or is it already existing part of the game which I have never seen..?

This Billboard is just a test modell to look out how some varieties act in a boulevard scene. I'll make some better work to fill this up for a full, typical city boulevard.

The "Friendly Girl" Camper is inspired by shunter's campsite addon "campsite", i just thought this idea forward to this scene which appears, and everybody knows, when he's leaving highways, waiting left or right at crossroads

[greenling]

Raiser
The Photo that you be postet have looks very interesting out.

[mEGa]

I had an idea. Could we not create a special road sign for roundabount and more particularly for rotating parts of streets as my picture shows it ?

What are your thoughts about it ?

[Fabio]

Well, no entry signs are now placed in the middle of the road and this leads to misalignment on curves.
It would be good and useful to realign them to the entrance of the tile they refer to.

[Sarlock]

That would be really nice if we could make that change, it would look so much better than to have them in the middle of the road on curves.

[Vladki]

Just check my signs repository. All my roadsigns are aligned on the border. And the NoEntry sign is included as well.
https://uran.webstep.net/~vladki/simutrans/pak128/cs_road.unpacked/

[Fabio]

Well, no entry signs are now placed in the middle of the road and this leads to misalignment on curves.
It would be good and useful to realign them to the entrance of the tile they refer to.

That would be really nice if we could make that change, it would look so much better than to have them in the middle of the road on curves.

I was wrong, road signs *MUST* be aligned to the *EXIT* of the tile, not at the entrance.
I moved them accordingly. I also updated min speed (80 and 100 km/h) signs to the European standard, on which most road-related features are based. Also road block needed some update.
No entry looks a bit odd at the exit of the tile, so I added also a One Way sign on the other direction, using a standard (square with straight arrow) used in Germany, but also in Italy and in other countries (the more standard blue arrow didn't look well).
In r1081.

[mEGa]

Applause !

[VS]

Ah, perfect!

Just a note - when I wrote the previous message, it was specifically for the roundabout sign.

[greenling]

Fabio
You have by the Signs make a good work.

[Raiser]

I tried the Winter aspect to the small roundabout - comments please

[mEGa]

Good beginnings.
Some suggestions
- I mean tree is not the same as summer stage. they must be.
- Why color of fence is not the same too ?
- the shadow on circle is not right.

I kwow that it's difficult to apply snowy aspect to your first drawing. Maybe you should a little simplify it.

[VS]

Nice one What mEGa says is true, though. Myself, I wonder if the snow fits texture on ground...?

[greenling]

Raiser
The photo look ver good out.
I like it.

[Raiser]

Good beginnings.
Some suggestions
- I mean tree is not the same as summer stage. they must be.
- Why color of fence is not the same too ?
- the shadow on circle is not right.

I kwow that it's difficult to apply snowy aspect to your first drawing. Maybe you should a little simplify it.

Hi, thank you for your replies. Relating to your suggestions i changed the Tree because there was no Winter-Version, adjusted Shadow and restored colour of the fence. Testing in game i didn't find errors. I think the Roundabout is done now?

[greenling]

Cool.
It very nice this tree.

[mEGa]

Hi, thank you for your replies. Relating to your suggestions i changed the Tree because there was no Winter-Version, adjusted Shadow and restored colour of the fence. Testing in game i didn't find errors.

Good improvement !

I think the Roundabout is done now?

I'm agree. it will be an excellent addon imho.

[prissi]

If coded as monument it will also be always a roundabout. Since monuments are only build once, you would need roundabout1 to roundabout9 repeating objects in pak

[greenling]

That it a nice idea prissi.

[Sarlock]

It's very nice, Raiser!  I like it

[Fabio]