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Offline Vladki

minimum speed sign
« on: March 10, 2015, 08:11:10 PM »
Hi, all

I have improved a bit Junna's minimum speed signs - fixed the positioning on diagonals, added icons and cursors. If you like it, please include (suitable for experimental as well as standard).


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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2015, 08:23:15 PM »
I have moved this to the Standard Pak128.Britain board, as minimum speed signs are not exclusive to Simutrans-Experimental. May I ask whether these are based on a real life prototype?
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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 08:46:16 PM »
May I ask whether these are based on a real life prototype?

I have no Idea, the yellow sign was already in the pak, it was just badly displayed on diagonals and had some missing pixels - looked weird in game. So I added a few pixels so that the sign has the same shape as end-of-choose (classic). I tried to search the post with original version, but I could not find it.

Update: maybe the original was attempt for the "end of speed restriction marker" http://www.railsigns.uk/sect13page1/sect13page1.html which is yellow circle, and I have "fixed" it to yellow square.
http://www.railsigns.uk/photos/p_psr1/p_psr1.html
« Last Edit: March 10, 2015, 09:14:13 PM by Vladki »

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 10:17:52 AM »
Ahh, I had not spotted that this was a railway minimum speed sign: my apologies. I do not think that it was intended to be square, though: I think that it was intended to be the shape of numerals giving the speed, as in the first two images in your second link.
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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2015, 03:59:55 PM »
Hmm, rendering two digit numbers in 4x4 pixels is a difficult challenge ;)

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2015, 04:06:01 PM »
Quite!
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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2015, 06:31:34 PM »
An alternative version - attempt to make a round sign, from above referenced pictures.

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2015, 06:47:05 PM »
The round yellow is the end of speed restriction, is it not...?
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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2015, 10:22:35 PM »
Yes it is. If you like either version you can include it in pak. I personally prefer the square version because of visibility, even if it is not exactly an existing sign.

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2015, 12:31:43 PM »
I tried to make it a bit uneven to give the sensation of displaying numbers.

The modern speed signs are red-lined circles with black text, on the other hand, but that's even more difficult to manage to replicate with any satisfactory result.

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2015, 07:07:00 PM »
Ideally, we'd have both different signs for different eras (and this one in white to represent earlier practice).
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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2015, 01:04:02 PM »
Ideally, we'd have both different signs for different eras (and this one in white to represent earlier practice).

What about using different era or experimental designs to show different speeds e.g.:

- white  .. 60 km/h
- yellow .. 100 km/h
- red/white .. 120 km/h
- red/black .. 160 km/h (metric sign)

or a blue/yellow sign used on TGV tracks: [2.125] http://www.railsigns.uk/sect2page7/sect2page7.html

Edit: some samples how it could look like. Assignment of colors to speeds and intro dates is open for discuccion.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2015, 03:26:39 PM by Vladki »

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2015, 03:34:48 PM »
Was there ever any agreement on how to use these graphics? Would be a shame to let them go to waste.

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2015, 07:40:47 PM »
I think james was inspired by these when he did the new signals for experimental. The difference is that he rendered them in blender instead of my pixel-art.  Another difference is that he used the different desings solely for different eras, while there are 3 visually identical signs for different speeds at the same time. I would prefer using the older designs for lower speed, and newer design for higher speed limits.

Anyway, if you like them, feel free to use them in any way.

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2015, 09:27:54 PM »
Are those left or right handed? I produced mine to be left handed to be compatible with the new left handed signal set.
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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2015, 09:36:16 PM »
Please do not think about signals as only right or left handed. With properly set left_offset, they can be used perfectly for both. I'm not sure about the exact value now, but for railways i think it is 11.
Have a look ar czech or swedish signals and signs. They use left_offset and can be used on both sides.

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2015, 09:49:13 PM »
I've now found jamespett's speed signals which I will add for consistency with experimental.

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Re: minimum speed sign
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2015, 11:10:02 PM »
Ahh, I had forgotten about left_offset, which is new. However, semaphore signals will need different left and right handed versions as they are inherently handed.
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