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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #140 on: January 31, 2012, 09:02:36 PM »
Well, those are supposed to be skewed arches, non orthogonal. making them orthogonal is indeed simpler, but it may look flatter. Tomorrow I'm trying a snapshot like that, it won't take long, quite the opposite. We'll see and judge.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #141 on: January 31, 2012, 10:38:55 PM »
Amazing work. I still have to find a way to efficiently create new "way" types for pak48.Excentrique. Great work to see here :)

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128 - 140 km/h Elevated preview
« Reply #142 on: February 03, 2012, 12:51:34 PM »
Thank you, Hajo!


Here's finally a preview of 140 km/h elevated:





Pillars' thickness is shown here as it's not perpendicular to the face we see.
Showing the grid proves it:





Details still need to be added.


The hardest thing to make was, as expected, pillars' position.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 11:30:33 AM by fabio »

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #143 on: February 03, 2012, 02:02:29 PM »
Ha, I can see it now - the "wrong" thing with perpendicular arrangement is that without shadow, it looks weird. (Look at the small arches here, they display this problem.) That doesn't happen with this arrangement of pillars.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #144 on: February 03, 2012, 02:34:03 PM »
The small arches-- wuould it be better for them to be "closed"?

They used to look awful, then I added a light shading on edges and now are more decent. And thankfully they are small!

For the moment, I'll keep this elevated like this (plus details!!!) unless better ideas come up.

I'm not keen to add shadows (especially after my request for 50% transparent color was denied), as they would be inconsistent with normal bridges, which on turn can't have them because they can be higher than one tile...

Well, time to move to the other elevated ;)

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #145 on: February 03, 2012, 08:51:23 PM »
Nice Fabio!
You make for simutrans a graet job.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #146 on: February 03, 2012, 10:31:25 PM »
better close the small arches, they look a bit like gaps, or even glitches. They are also too small for the saving in material would justify the extre work producing them. (if the size is larger, as in the blue concept above, they make more sense.


If someone has difficulties to see the concept here, check with tracks below going in cardinal directions.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #147 on: February 04, 2012, 05:24:20 PM »
Hi,
I tried to test a solution for the front arches. Indeed as we see in 1, tracks under do not pass.
I deleted background arches and in number 2 we see that tracks could  pass.
Finally, the pillars of arches seeming very large, I thought  inlaying an architectural effect in the middle as an hope (view number 3) ?
I also walled up the small interval between pillars, to see the potential result.

It is a just humble suggestion of my part, but I find these background shadowed pillars are strong.


Your feedback ?

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #148 on: February 04, 2012, 06:51:09 PM »
I think you're right. Anyway back pillars must disappear, as they look ABOVE a train passing under them. Probably also the "thickness" must go, as it has no sense without the back pillars.
The way to go is larger pillars with some architechtonical element. I'm presently testing it likewise.
Thank for the suggestion.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #149 on: February 04, 2012, 08:40:23 PM »
hm, now without it, having seen the version with back pillars, it looks quite wrong. But there's nothing you can do about it if it appears in front of trains. (can't it put to back image)

In the screenshot mEGa posted, the passage is only a little bit too narrow.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #150 on: February 05, 2012, 12:05:45 PM »
Filling the small arches makes the walls rather bland. What was the additional effect? I can see only a dark spot... First I could think of was a gothic-like extension of pillar, but that is nonsense :P

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #151 on: February 05, 2012, 04:35:35 PM »
Tomorrow hopefully a new proposal ;)

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #152 on: February 05, 2012, 05:22:39 PM »
Filling the small arches makes the walls rather bland. What was the additional effect? I can see only a dark spot... First I could think of was a gothic-like extension of pillar, but that is nonsense :P

dark spot : it was just one mark to  represent place where put a architectural effect;  may be a relief additional arch or another detail like that :
http://www.communes.com/images/orig/franche-comte/jura/morez_39400/Morez_29549_Bas-de-Morez-le-viaduc-Morez-St-Claude.jpg


 

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #153 on: February 05, 2012, 05:39:45 PM »
So, it was just a mark, not a finished thing :) Understood...

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #154 on: February 06, 2012, 02:22:54 PM »
Here a preview of what it could look like...
Many details still to be added.

« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 11:27:54 AM by fabio »

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #155 on: February 06, 2012, 02:32:20 PM »
I think those modified pillars look good enough now :)
The rails (only the rails), though, look like if they had an offset (displaced towards... northwest? elevated?). Maybe it's an optic effect, or maybe it's my brain missing to build it up!?!


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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #156 on: February 06, 2012, 02:42:46 PM »
Thank you!


Tracks: it's just an optical effect, tracks (and ballast base) are exactly the same as they are now.


Maybe the effect is also due to the fact that I added 2 px at northwest, to make the bridge look less "narrow" on diagonals.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #157 on: February 06, 2012, 02:49:38 PM »
Tracks: it's just an optical effect, tracks (and ballast base) are exactly the same as they are now.
Thanks for not putting the blame on my brain! :P

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #158 on: February 06, 2012, 03:08:53 PM »
I think it's the ballast, it looks almost as thick as the bridge at top of the arch... I guess it would be too much work.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #159 on: February 06, 2012, 03:33:50 PM »
It'll look better with the fence... Next screenshot when it's added.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #160 on: February 06, 2012, 05:42:12 PM »
the optical illusion comes most likely from the bright line on either side of the viaduct. It looks like a raised parapet, you can see this a the SW end. Fences or a real parapet will certainly fix this illusion.

There certainly is no way to add the backward pilars without having them pop out before trains? I don't understand back images well enough. It would be sad. as that's i think was exactly what made the viaducts in pak-britain look strange to me on diagonals.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #161 on: February 06, 2012, 06:10:45 PM »
Ok, this should pretty much be the final version:



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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #162 on: February 06, 2012, 06:20:37 PM »
beautiful structure at the arches

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #163 on: February 06, 2012, 06:36:09 PM »
ÖMG. How do I say that this is great in yet another way?

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #164 on: February 06, 2012, 07:34:55 PM »
Just one feedback :
beautiful work ! I haven't any thing to notice. Great.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #165 on: February 08, 2012, 11:09:27 AM »
Thank you all for the feedback!!!  ;)

And now...

160 km/h elevated:


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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #166 on: February 08, 2012, 11:26:30 AM »
This is amazing work. I remember how it was to draw a single bridge and can only image how much work time you spend for such a set.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #167 on: February 08, 2012, 05:09:56 PM »
...and 180 km/h


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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #168 on: February 08, 2012, 11:10:19 PM »
Very impressive work...

I liked the curved triangle bridge facade more than the straight triangles.... maybe the straight triangles could be made slightly smaller.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #169 on: February 09, 2012, 07:44:27 AM »
Nothing to say about it except that it is very nice. I look forward to being able to try it.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #170 on: February 09, 2012, 03:15:40 PM »
Fabio, it is surely good that you learnt from roads replacement project - and you are preparing rail elevated ways of such construction that it allows building in parallel direction below it.

And of course, I don't think that it is needed to have elevated rail ways for all speeds (meanwhile tunnels for all speeds are greeted much). So, for high speeds some special (futuristic and high modern) constructions of bridges may be used.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #171 on: February 09, 2012, 05:36:57 PM »
*NEW* bridge for 200 km/h (1940-1999)

EDIT: Image somehow deleted on hosting site... anyway this bridge will look _quite_ different...



...and slightly updated bridges for 140-180 km/h


« Last Edit: February 13, 2012, 05:00:19 PM by fabio »

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #172 on: February 09, 2012, 07:31:49 PM »
Cool Fabio your new bridge a very nice.

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #173 on: February 09, 2012, 07:41:18 PM »
Impressive these bridges! I look forward for the release :)

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Re: Tracks replacement project for pak 128
« Reply #174 on: February 09, 2012, 08:50:41 PM »
The 200 kph variant looks fragile ;) But I guess it's hard to come up with other variants...

BTW, I just realized all of the bridges are a deck supported by arches from below. Are you planning to have some other types (particularly truss and beam ones)? It's not a requirement at all, but at the same time it seems that there will be little variety now...
« Last Edit: February 09, 2012, 08:58:27 PM by VS »