Started by DrSuperGood, June 17, 2019, 05:12:09 PM
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QuoteI cannot wait for Threadripper 3 whenever that may be released, but I will wait for Ryzen 3, which is coming out on the 7th of July.
Quoteso I will have to choose the 12 core version for now as I cannot sensibly wait until the autumn to replace this 2010 built dinasaur
Quotemay I ask what counts as a "lower cost motherboard" for these purposes? I notice that a lot of the boards have silly multi-coloured LED lighting and other unnecessary features that I should like to avoid if possible.
Quote from: DrSuperGood on June 17, 2019, 11:38:29 PMReminds me of my computer lol. Still runs fine with a Core I7 920. It uses tri channel DDR3 and I am sure kids these days do not even know what either of those mean!
Quote from: DrSuperGood on June 17, 2019, 11:38:29 PMMost motherboards now have RGB lighting. It is a dumb fashion. People hate it but need to live with it sadly. Trying to find a decent one without RGB is near impossible. RGB does not make anything faster, just wastes your money buying something you really do not need but have no choice over.
Quote from: jamespetts on June 18, 2019, 11:12:05 PMI would recommend an SSD for the boot drive and to run games and software from. [...] For bulk data any reliable mechanical drive is fine, this would include things such as source code or builds.
Quote from: Ters on June 19, 2019, 08:34:57 AMI don't know what tri channel DDR3 or most of what else you are talking about means.
Quote from: Ters on June 19, 2019, 08:34:57 AMApplications (and probably games) seem to do more bulk reading, and keep it in memory afterwards, while building software is lots of smaller reads and writes.
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AMMemory: G.Skill Trident Z 32Gb kit (2x16Gb)
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AMStorage 3: [existing SSD from current system recycled as encrypted drive for work documents]
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 05:51:21 PMhank you for your thoughts and the tip re: XMP. The memory details are available here.
Quote from: DrSuperGood on July 13, 2019, 05:31:57 PMMemory bandwidth is [blah blah blah blah]
Quote from: DrSuperGood on July 13, 2019, 05:31:57 PMActually it is very much the opposite. Games do a lot of very small file reads which fall very close to a pure random access pattern. This is because an environment might be made up of thousands of smaller pieces of art which are not located or accessed sequentially within storage. This is where a SSD can cut the initial loading time of a game from 20-40 seconds down to 5-7 at most (not I/O limited). If you want proof of this look at Sony's upcoming PS5 discussions which covers how moving game installs from a mechanical drive to a SSD allow transitions and open world traversal speeds that were not possible before.
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AM CPU cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AM PSU: [1.2kW unit recycled from existing system]
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AM Motherboard: MSI Prestige x570 Creation
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AM Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 32Gb kit (2x16Gb) The memory details are available here.
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AM GPU MSI Nvidia RTX 2080Ti Gaming X Trio
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AM Sound card: [Sound Blaster Z PCIe unit recycled from current system]
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AM Storage 2: Corsair 2TB MP600 (for the system and software)
Quote from: jamespetts on July 13, 2019, 11:16:34 AM Optical drive: [Blu-Ray drive recycled from current system]
Quote from: TurfIt on July 13, 2019, 09:13:01 PM1.13kg by the specs (hopefully including the fan weight too...), largest I ever used was a 790g + 3 * ~100g fans, so possibly similar. Was afraid to even move it across the room with that much weight levered off the socket. The flex on the motherboard was insane - went to water cooling after just to eliminate that.
Quote from: TurfIt on July 13, 2019, 09:13:01 PMOverkill I'm sure you know, but if you already have it.... atleast you run off a 230V supply over there regaining some of the efficiency loss of running so far below the efficiency point on such a large unit...
Quote from: TurfIt on July 13, 2019, 09:13:01 PMNote this is "Intel" memory. If you're comfortable setting up all the timings yourself (and I mean all - there's 47 memory settings on my 2700X system I fought with...), good. Otherwise you might want to wait for 'AMD' memory products to be updated for Zen2 if you want the BIOS to do the work (ie. just enable XMP and go).
Quote from: TurfIt on July 13, 2019, 09:13:01 PMNow with Zen2, all the internet sites are claiming 3600 'no problem', but again it appears they're all using 2 single rank dimms...
Quote from: TurfIt on July 13, 2019, 09:13:01 PMAlso note most modern cases don't have 5 1/4 bays anymore if you're not recycling your old case.
Quote from: jamespetts on July 15, 2019, 08:43:05 PMI was not aware that there was such a thing as "Intel" and "AMD" memory
Quote from: jamespetts on July 15, 2019, 08:43:05 PMThere is also the complexity that there is very little memory in 3,600Mhz with CAS 16 available, but there is much at 4,000Mhz with CAS 19 which some people seem to have been able to run at 3,600Mhz CAS 16; but it is not clear how this affects the tuning of the other timings and therefore the overall speed.
Quote from: jamespetts on July 30, 2019, 11:04:21 PMUnfortunately, the Ryzen 3900x seems to have been delayed in the UK - the latest information from Overclockers.co.uk suggests htat it may be available on the 5th of August, but I shall believe that when I see it as previous delayed due dates (e.g. the 15th of July) have failed to be met.
Quote from: jamespetts on August 30, 2019, 06:04:04 PMbut I should be very interested to know how you manage with running the Bridgewater-Brunel server game with your bhemoth of a CPU.
Quote from: jamespetts on August 30, 2019, 06:04:04 PMIt is interesting that Dr. Supergood and I have had such similar computer hardware upgrade cycles over the last decade!
Quote from: DrSuperGood on August 30, 2019, 05:35:21 PMSurprisingly I managed to get a Ryzen 9 3900X in the UK just the other day via a custom built system ordered from PC Specialists. For my needs it ended up approximately the same cost as if I ordered the parts separately from sites like Amazon and built the system myself, there really was no money to be saved doing this.
Quoteand the number of frames per second from 10 to 30
Quote from: Freahk on December 17, 2019, 09:24:33 AMMy own experience is that decreasing the number of fps will greatly improve performance on slower machines which will also help these to not fall behind in simulation.10 fps is fine for simutrans, stick with it if you want good performance. Slightly increase it if you want things to move slightly more fluently but 30 fps is too much for a map as huge as bridgewater.