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Contradiction of display unit of population change value

Started by Ranran(retired), April 29, 2020, 07:31:04 AM

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Ranran(retired)

Hi. (´・ω・`)

Why do some labels show the population change divided by 10? It is weird and inconsistent with the chart value and confuses the player.


I'm currently trying to tweak this dialog, so I'll fix it if there's no good reason.
ひめしという日本人が開発者達の助言を無視して自分好みの機能をextendedに"強引に"実装し、
コードをぐちゃぐちゃにしてメンテナンスを困難にし(とりわけ道路と建物関連)、
挙句にバグを大量に埋め込み、それを知らんぷりして放置し(隠居するなどと言って)別のところに逃げ隠れて自分のフォーク(OTRP)は開発を続けている
その事実と彼の無責任さに日本人プレイヤーは目を向けるべき。らんらんはそれでやる気をなくした(´・ω・`)
他人の振り見て我が振り直せ。ひめしのようにならないために、らんらんが生み出したバグや問題は自分で修正しなくちゃね(´・ω・`)

Ranran(retired)

I noticed the difference between the displayed contents of standard and extended.
Standard displays the value which is 1/10 of the average of this month and the previous month. I think it's make sense.
Extended displays the value that is 1/10 of the increase in this month. IMO, this month's growth is not very useful data. In most cases, it shows 0, and there is a large variation depending on whether renovation happens by chance. Most cities will show 0 at the beginning of the month as it will be reset at the beginning of the month. The population of simutrans is more stable than in the real world because simutrans does not simulate human life and death or migration.
ひめしという日本人が開発者達の助言を無視して自分好みの機能をextendedに"強引に"実装し、
コードをぐちゃぐちゃにしてメンテナンスを困難にし(とりわけ道路と建物関連)、
挙句にバグを大量に埋め込み、それを知らんぷりして放置し(隠居するなどと言って)別のところに逃げ隠れて自分のフォーク(OTRP)は開発を続けている
その事実と彼の無責任さに日本人プレイヤーは目を向けるべき。らんらんはそれでやる気をなくした(´・ω・`)
他人の振り見て我が振り直せ。ひめしのようにならないために、らんらんが生み出したバグや問題は自分で修正しなくちゃね(´・ω・`)

jamespetts

Thank you for asking about this. I do not believe that I have changed this in Extended, so I suspect that this is something that changed in Standard after Extended diverged from it. The behaviour that you describe in the first post is not intended.
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Ranran(retired)

I check with the standard, the standard shows the average value of 2 months divided by 10, and it behaves differently from extended.
Extended shows the fluctuation value for this month, but this is often reset to the beginning of the month and shows 0. Therefore, I think it is not the best way to understand if the population of a city is on the rise or not.

Anyway, I am working on fixing them now.
ひめしという日本人が開発者達の助言を無視して自分好みの機能をextendedに"強引に"実装し、
コードをぐちゃぐちゃにしてメンテナンスを困難にし(とりわけ道路と建物関連)、
挙句にバグを大量に埋め込み、それを知らんぷりして放置し(隠居するなどと言って)別のところに逃げ隠れて自分のフォーク(OTRP)は開発を続けている
その事実と彼の無責任さに日本人プレイヤーは目を向けるべき。らんらんはそれでやる気をなくした(´・ω・`)
他人の振り見て我が振り直せ。ひめしのようにならないために、らんらんが生み出したバグや問題は自分で修正しなくちゃね(´・ω・`)

jamespetts

Quote from: Ranran on May 13, 2020, 09:11:38 PM
I check with the standard, the standard shows the average value of 2 months divided by 10, and it behaves differently from extended.
Extended shows the fluctuation value for this month, but this is often reset to the beginning of the month and shows 0. Therefore, I think it is not the best way to understand if the population of a city is on the rise or not.

Anyway, I am working on fixing them now.

That is very helpful, thank you.
Download Simutrans-Extended.

Want to help with development? See here for things to do for coding, and here for information on how to make graphics/objects.

Follow Simutrans-Extended on Facebook.