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Yona-TYT

I share a new version ready for testing.... tutorial-pak64-v1.6.42 beta

Scenario:  tutorialpak64-v1.6.42.zip

Any help with testing welcome!.

A small update to cover the latest changes. :P

Earring:
- Failed click counter is broken, waiting for: https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,21981.msg202264/topicseen.html#msg202264
- Some new and obsolete translations are not yet reviewed.

List of changes:

- Add Link to skip steps on CH6
- Reworked underground buildings (should be easier to build now).
- Underground constructions now warn if the underground view is active or the correct level of the layer.
- Fixed many bugs with auto build code.
- Improvements in the logic of checking rails/roads when they are built (the flashing marks that appear and disappear).
- Add coord list to differentiate between the track under construction and the existing ones.
- Improvements in the simutrans/paksets versions analyzer
- Improvements in the failed click counter (But it's still broken).
- Various bug fixes between chapters 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.
- Fix error when using an old version of simutrans
- Disable debug tab

Yona-TYT

The second version of tests is ready!

Scenario : https://www.mediafire.com/file/nhzy3hqg7u1ef42/tutorial_pak64v-1.2.00-Test-2.zip/file
I have completed Chapter 4 and 5, only 6 and 7 remain.

Any help with translations welcome!

Try and notify me of any stuck.  :P

Regards!.  ;)

Andarix

Quote from: Yona-TYT on June 23, 2020, 12:49:03 AM
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Any help with translations welcome!
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mmh, I partial translated Tutorial pak128 here

not include in latest version

Yona-TYT

#3
Quote from: Andarix on June 23, 2020, 06:06:34 AMmmh, I partial translated Tutorial pak128 here not include in latest version
I see that they are very outdated, I have made a lot of changes in the texts and the order of the files, looking for more convergence between the pakset and also to adapt to the specific pak64.

I leave you a complete list of the changes in the text files:

// ------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------
Chapter 1 ==================================
The order of the files has changed:
a new step is added at startup.
The new order is as follows:
- step 1 is now: step2
- step 2 is now: step3
- step 3 is now: step4

Chapter 2 ==================================
step C ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
{posb} is now called {list}
step D ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
{posb} is now called {list}
step G ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
New variable is added to display a "Stops list" {list}.
The order of the files has changed:
The file has been removed: "07_3-4.txt"
The new order is as follows:
"07_1-4.txt" is now called "07_1-3.txt"
"07_3-4.txt" is now called "07_2-3.txt"
"07_4-4.txt" is now called "07_3-3.txt"

Chapter 3 ==================================
step A, B, C, D, E, F, G ------------------------------------ -----------------------------------------
Two variables are added for the load type: "{good1}" and "{good2}"

step B ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
The order of the files has changed:
Files have been removed: "02_2-5.txt" and "02_3-5.txt"
The new order is as follows:
"02_1-5.txt" is now called "02_1-3.txt"
"02_4-5.txt" is now called "02_2-3.txt"
"02_5-5.txt" is now called "02_3-3.txt"
The file "02_2-3.txt" has been renewed, (review).

step C, E, F, G ------------------------------------------ -----------------------------------

Added new variable for the number of tiles covered by the train {tile}
step E ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
New variable is added for the number of wagons {wag}.

step G ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
New variable is added for the number of wagons {wag}.

step H ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
The order of the files has changed:
The file has been removed: "08_1-6.txt"
The new order is as follows:
"08_1-6.txt" is now called "08_1-5.txt"
"08_2-6.txt" is now called "08_2-5.txt"
"08_3-6.txt" is now called "08_3-5.txt"
"08_4-6.txt" is now called "08_4-5.txt"
"08_6-6.txt" is now called "08_5-5.txt"
All files have been renewed (review).

step I ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
The order of the files has changed:
Files have been removed: "09_3-5.txt", "02_4-5.txt" and "02_5-5.txt"
The new order is as follows:
"09_1-5.txt" is now called "09_1-2.txt"
"09_5-5.txt" is now called "09_2-2.txt"
New variable is added to display a "Way list" {list}.

Step K ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
Completely redesigned, all files are changed to: "goal_step_11.txt" (check).

Chapter 4 ==================================
step A, B, C, D, E ---------------------------------------- -------------------------------------
Two variables are added for the load type: "{good1}" and "{good2}"

step B ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
Modified file: "goal_step_02.txt" (review).

step D, E ---------------------------------------------- -------------------------------
New variable added for total number of ships {all_cov}

step D ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
Completely redesigned, all files are changed to: "goal_step_4.txt" (check).

step E ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
The order of the files has changed:
The file has been removed: "05_3-4.txt"
The new order is as follows:
"05_1-4.txt" is now called "05_1-3.txt"
"05_2-4.txt" is now called "05_2-3.txt"
"05_4-4.txt" is now called "05_3-3.txt"

step G ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
Modified file: "goal_step_07.txt" (review).
New variable is added to display a "Dock list" {list}.

Chapter 5 ==================================
The order of the files has changed:
a new step is added: "goal_step_02.txt" (check).
The new order is as follows:
"02_1-2.txt", "02_2-2.txt" are now: "03_1-2.txt", "03_2-2.txt"
"03_1-2.txt", "03_2-2.txt" are now: "04_1-2.txt", "04_2-2.txt"


Edit.
Here is a version with the updated texts:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/jvfu1xp9c4ehq0o/tutorial_pak64v-1.2.01-Test-2.zip/file

Andarix

mmh, in en.tab missing text include es.tab


You must build a stop in [%s]



Debes seleccionar un [%s].
You must select a [%s].

Yona-TYT

Quote from: Andarix on June 25, 2020, 05:55:56 PMmmh, in en.tab missing text include es.tab You must build a stop in [%s] Debes seleccionar un [%s]. You must select a [%s].
Thank you very much for your help!.  8)

The correct text is "You must build a stop in [%s] first", I have fixed it in file es.tab.

There was a duplicate of this text "You must select a [%s].", I have fixed it and moved it to the common texts.

Yona-TYT

This is almost done, I think it can already be included in the pak64, if @prissi agrees, I'm not sure how much time is left for the next version of simutrans.  ???

Scenario: https://www.mediafire.com/file/133bo8i0eno633v/tutorial_pak64v-1.3.00-test-3.zip/file



Changes:
General ====================================
Global variables defined for vehicle limits.
Slight modification on the map to allow connecting the transformers without the need for a tunnel.
Error correction

Texts tab ==================================
The following text is changed to show the name of the station.
Select station No.%d
Select Station nr.%d [%s]

Chapter 5 ==================================
Step D ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
The order of the files has changed: new file "04_3-3.txt"
A new mail convoy (ship) is added (check).
The new order is as follows:

"04_1-2.txt" is now: "04_1-3.txt"
"04_2-2.txt" is now: "04_2-3.txt"

Andarix

mmh

in folder en exists 02_1-3, 02_2-3 and 02_3-3

in folder es exists 02_1-5, 02_2-5, 02_3-5, 02_4-5 and 02_5-5

Yona-TYT

#8
Quote from: Andarix on June 27, 2020, 03:37:41 PMmmh

in folder en exists 02_1-3, 02_2-3 and 02_3-3

in folder es exists 02_1-5, 02_2-5, 02_3-5, 02_4-5 and 02_5-5
Yes, it is because I am not done with the Spanish translations yet.
Edit.
Wait a minute, you mean chapter 3 right? ... this is fixed ... I think you should clean up those folders.

Andarix

#9
es/result.txt not translated

chapter 03

the files 08_x-5 not translated to spain and file details.txt missing

chapter 04

at es exist a file 04_2-2.txt, this missing at en

chapter 05

goal_step_02.txt not translated to es




rule.txt in several chapters not translated into it es

Yona-TYT

Quote from: Andarix on June 27, 2020, 08:34:03 PMes/result.txt not translated
Yes, I will translate soon.
Quote from: Andarix on June 27, 2020, 08:34:03 PMchapter 03 the files 08_x-5 not translated to spain and file details.txt missing
I have not given high priority to Spanish translations, I will solve as soon as I can.
The file "details.txt" is obsolete, it should not exist (I had deleted it, but it came back for some reason).

Quote from: Andarix on June 27, 2020, 08:34:03 PMchapter 04 at es exist a file 04_2-2.txt, this missing at en
That is another obsolete / junk file, before (in pak128) there were two providers, now there is only one (the oil platform) .... I have already removed it thanks !.

Quote from: Andarix on June 27, 2020, 08:34:03 PMchapter 05 goal_step_02.txt not translated to es
Correct, again, I don't give much priority to Spanish, I'm going to translate what I can, I know it's there.


Thank you very much for your report!.

Note: Remember that chapters 6 and 7 are not ready yet (in fact I haven't started with planes yet .
:p


Yona-TYT

New version of tests, I have already completed chapter 6 and 7 and I have fixed the missing Spanish translations.

I have removed some variables (seemingly unused), hope everything keeps working fine.

If no more errors are achieved then it's time to integrate with pak64 :) .

https://www.mediafire.com/file/kyxbetzfi26ph6j/tutorial_pak64v-1.4.00-test-4.zip/file

prissi

That would be indeed a good idea!

Yona-TYT

I wanted to finish before the next version of simutrans, but I haven't had time to do the final tests on the script.

Andarix

I think the city names are invalid for pak64.

Quote#__________________________________city names___________________________________
#__________________________________city names___________________________________
Cantebury
Cantebury
Lancaster
Lancaster
Rio de Abajo
Rio de Abajo
Westminster
Westminster

Yona-TYT

I think it is not necessary to translate the names of the cities, so I would like to delete this.

Yona-TYT

Final version of the tutorial scenario for pak64.
Scenario -> http://www.mediafire.com/file/dgzv1ruzvcdftpt/tutorial_pak64-v1.4.10.zip/file


@Prissi, I would like to integrate this script to pak64, I consider that this project is already completed.  8)

prissi

When testing this script, it fails after building a bridge in chapter 2.nut line 166 with The indexs get_name() does not exist. I used it with german default language and build a modern road bridge.

As suggestion the scenario schould explain about stop coverage because when building the line to Malliby.

Next crash in chapter2.nut at line 238 same error as above, just after building the connection. (I did rotate the map because I could not find the missing stop marker.)

That time I was no able to resume the script.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: prissi on September 09, 2020, 06:35:26 AMWhen testing this script, it fails after building a bridge in chapter 2.nut line 166 with The indexs get_name() does not exist. I used it with german default language and build a modern road bridge.

Next crash in chapter2.nut at line 238 same error as above, just after building the connection. (I did rotate the map because I could not find the missing stop marker.)

That time I was no able to resume the script.
I have not been able to replicate the error.I have made a quick review and I realize that the lines "166" and "238" that you mentioned do not correspond to the indicated error messages (in fact line 238 is a "}" closing a block), you are using the latest version of the script?

The last one is v1.4.10

Quote from: prissi on September 09, 2020, 06:35:26 AMAs suggestion the scenario schould explain about stop coverage because when building the line to Malliby.
Thanks, I will take it into account for the next one. :)

prissi

Oh sorrz. Maz I sugest to edit zour first post to update the link.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: prissi on September 09, 2020, 02:43:21 PMOh sorrz. Maz I sugest to edit zour first post to update the link.
Certainly, I forgot to update that link.  :-[

prissi

#21
Chapter 2 stop building: The highlitghting of the tiles before (instead marker) was much easier to see. Also why you ask to go slalom through the town. That is not a good idea, since you are wasting a lot of income this way.

Future dock: Please remove the copy backwards button. This horrible thing has absolutely no meaning for useful gameplay, and can be even hidden by paksets. Also why no use the copy convoi button. This is annoying. Also the tutorial should mention, that you need to select the line for the next bus from the dropdown.

Connection to Mallaby. There is a stop to build which is not used. Also, since buses work with profit with 50% load, it makes sense to wait at stops with multiple stops for 50% load. Also there are two stops Pollingwick H to add to the schedule, which is impossible. So I had to click to next to advance.

Next step "tile is we are going to set up a bus service in the town {name}". 

For the second rail line, reusing the depot would be nice ...

For building the second track, one better mention the CONTROL key for building straight tracks.

The keys for underground up and down in pak64 are + and -

Why the stations have these useless connectors at the end?

With trains, minimum load waiting time 1/4 is very short ...

Ship: One has to click on OPil rigg twice!

There I got stuck: None of the tiles for the harbor at the Refinery were allowed (I used the single tile goods dock). There was a warning windows showing either "0" or after much more clicking, I was asked if I am lost.

The passenger stops for ships are strange. Rather set a line of passengers to the oil rig and refinery! Also clicking on the harbour is something I never do. I usuallz stop my ships one tile before the harbour.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMChapter 2 stop building: The highlitghting of the tiles before (instead marker) was much easier to see. Also why you ask to go slalom through the town. That is not a good idea, since you are wasting a lot of income this way.
I have changed to "highlitghting", and have removed the "text labes", although I can make them using the public service so there are no additional costs.




Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMFuture dock: Please remove the copy backwards button. This horrible thing has absolutely no meaning for useful gameplay, and can be even hidden by paksets. Also why no use the copy convoi button. This is annoying. Also the tutorial should mention, that you need to select the line for the next bus from the dropdown.
I didn't think they would hate the "copy backwards" button hahaha  ;D , I have to improve this, I also see a lot of sense using the "copy convoi" button, it's just that originally I wanted to teach a bit how to add lines when buying new vehicles.


Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMConnection to Mallaby. There is a stop to build which is not used. Also, since buses work with profit with 50% load, it makes sense to wait at stops with multiple stops for 50% load. Also there are two stops Pollingwick H to add to the schedule, which is impossible. So I had to click to next to advance.
Thank you very much, I had not noticed that the list was wrong (a stop was missing and the first was duplicated), I have already fixed it.


Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMNext step "tile is we are going to set up a bus service in the town {name}". 
I should avoid using variables here, so I'd better have changed the text to: "In this chapter we are going to set up the first bus networks."



I still have to review chapter 3 and 4 (work in progress).

prissi

Anyway, I plan to put the tutorial to pak64 with the next release. Even now it is better as anything else ...

Yona-TYT

#24
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 03:07:10 PMAnyway, I plan to put the tutorial to pak64 with the next release. Even now it is better as anything else ...
That's great, but I need to fix the bug I found in chapter 4 as a priority, I'm going to release a new version today!

Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PM(I used the single tile goods dock)
This is the problem! I configured this for the water climate, on land clicking is not allowed. :-[

It is difficult to solve, because when obtaining the list of dock tiles only 1 (the slope) is obtained, I do not know how to know which is the tile in the water where the ship is routed I am afraid.

Yona-TYT

Here is a new version, I have corrected only what I consider to be the highest priority,
@prissi if there is some time I will publish another one with all the corrections you mentioned.


It took me some time, but it corrected the problem with the single-tile docks.  :P

Scenario: tutorial_pak64-v1.4.20.zip

Yona-TYT

New version!.

I continue to refine the code for future pakset, this time I have automated the values of "wait" and "load" to make it easier to manage, I have corrected some errors and I have improved some things.

There is a long list of text modifications, I will attach all the files that I modified.

Scenario: http://www.mediafire.com/file/60i6w1f8k3ffk38/tutorial_pak64-v1.5.00.zip/file

List of changes:

General ====================================
Warning message when game is paused (In progress)
More unnecessary tool icons are hidden for the tutorial.


Tab and txt texts ==================================
The message is added: "Advance is not allowed with the game paused."
Now the values %u200B%u200Bof "load" and "wait" are automatic, the following files are modified: ch2 "goal_step_04.txt", ch2 "06_1-3.txt", ch2 "07_3-3.txt", ch3 "goal_step_05.txt ", ch3" goal_step_07.txt ", ch3" goal_step_11.txt ", ch4" goal_step_04.txt ", ch4" 05_3-3.txt ", ch4" goal_step_07.txt ", ch5" goal_step_02.txt ", ch5" 04_2- 3.txt ", ch5" 04_3-3.txt ", ch6" goal_step_02.txt ", ch6" goal_step_03.txt ", ch6" goal_step_04.txt ".
Chapter 5: "goal.txt" the text "Trucks to carry Coal" was missing.

Chapter 3 ==================================
Step H ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
A clogging that occurred if the tunnel was built in the reverse direction is corrected.

Step I ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
The logic of the schedule is changed so that the trains make return trips and the unnecessary interceptions are removed (mentioned by @prissi)
The number of trains is now 3 and the waiting time is 1/1.

Chapter 4 ==================================
Step E ------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------
Fixed a jam when routing the ship, this is related to the problem that @prissi mentioned with single tile docks.
Step F and G ---------------------------------------------- -------------------------------
Unnecessary tools have been removed to avoid confusion.

Yona-TYT

Mr. Prissi, I thank you very much for your comments, I will review some of your observations.  8)

Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMChapter 2 stop building: The highlitghting of the tiles before (instead marker) was much easier to see. Also why you ask to go slalom through the town. That is not a good idea, since you are wasting a lot of income this way.
Resolved !, I have left them only for the docks and using the public service to avoid generating losses.
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMFuture dock: Please remove the copy backwards button. This horrible thing has absolutely no meaning for useful gameplay, and can be even hidden by paksets. Also why no use the copy convoi button..
In consultation, Regarding the [copy backwards] button, I have no problem with removing it, on the contrary the code for this has always been a nuisance, if the majority agree to remove it, I will gladly do so.
In consultation, With regard to copying vehicles, I am somewhat indecisive with this, my intention is to teach the player that lines can be assigned to recently purchased vehicles, especially if they are buses that do not need to be assembled like trains, example:
Imagine that you have a line with many buses, the city grows and therefore the level of passengers increases, then you will need to buy new buses, this is where it is useful to know that you can assign existing lines to new vehicles.
QuoteThis is annoying. Also the tutorial should mention, that you need to select the line for the next bus from the dropdown.
Pending, This seems reasonable to me, I'll improve that.
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMNext step "tile is we are going to set up a bus service in the town {name}".
Resolved !.
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMFor the second rail line, reusing the depot would be nice ...
In consultation, It's a good idea, but I'm afraid that the code in chapter 3 is already too big, I'm avoiding adding more things as much as possible.  :-[

Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMFor building the second track, one better mention the CONTROL key for building straight tracks.
Pending, This is good advice, I will add it.
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMThe keys for underground up and down in pak64 are + and -
Resolved !.
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMWhy the stations have these useless connectors at the end?
Resolved !. I have already removed them.
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMWith trains, minimum load waiting time 1/4 is very short ..
??? , I've changed it to 1/1, but I'm not sure if that's what you suggested to me. ?
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMShip: One has to click on OPil rigg twice!
??? , I've made some improvements, but I'm not sure if it's resolved as it can never replicate.
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMThere I got stuck: None of the tiles for the harbor at the Refinery were allowed (I used the single tile goods dock). There was a warning windows showing either "0" or after much more clicking, I was asked if I am lost.
Resolved !.Single tile dock should no longer be a problem.
Quote from: prissi on September 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PMThe passenger stops for ships are strange. Rather set a line of passengers to the oil rig and refinery! Also clicking on the harbour is something I never do. I usuallz stop my ships one tile before the harbour.

Pending, Transporting passengers to the refinery and oil platform agrees more with Chapter 5 on industrial efficiency, with some time I add it there.

In consultation, About clicking on the docks, this is so because there is no easy way (or at least I don't know of any) to get the tiles where you can click on a dock / station, I can only do it by getting a "tile_list "from a building / station.

prissi

If you can add a tile to a dummy water schedule, and it is a station, then this is a valid connection. Or check for water and get the haltlsit so see if the target station is there.

Yona-TYT


Quote from: prissi on October 25, 2020, 11:48:48 AMIf you can add a tile to a dummy water schedule, and it is a station, then this is a valid connection. Or check for water and get the haltlsit so see if the target station is there.
Now it works using station coverage (dock), but I'm not sure how it will behave in pakset whose coverage is different from pak64.
So far it has worked well for me, but I need to do more testing.

Yona-TYT

#30
I am happy to announce a new version of the tutorial, v1.6.10

Thank you very much @roboron for the enormous work with the texts.  8)
Dear Mr. Prissi, if there are no problems you can include this scenario in the pak64.  ;)

Scenario release: https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64/releases/download/v1.6.10/tutorial_pak64-v1.6.10.zip

The highlight of this version:

       
  • The version and pakset name check is implemented.
  • Many improvements in translations and text files.
  • Tunnel issues fixed.
  • Some numerical values are changed to variables in the texts.
  • Many fixes and improvements.
  • Some code cleaning.
  • A bug when routing ships when getting the tile list.
  • The logic that decided if a station existed or not in the list is fixed.
  • Another bug showing incorrect name of a missing station.
  • Useless code related to lines and schedule is eliminated.
This is the first time that I use github to manage this project, look here: https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64


prissi

THank you. The German translation does not longer match it seems. That I can correct.

However, I am unable to set the departure. No matter what, it refuses to let my bus schedule pass.

I also noticed that you used the very uncommon (by now) three day month time display settings.

Yona-TYT

#33
Quote from: prissi on August 13, 2021, 12:58:04 PM

However, I am unable to set the departure. No matter what, it refuses to let my bus schedule pass.

Strange everything is working very well here, does it show any message?

I have to compile the latest revision of simutrans and test that nothing is broken.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: prissi on August 13, 2021, 12:58:04 PMTHank you. The German translation does not longer match it seems. That I can correct.
Thank you very much, so I will be attentive to upload an update with its corrections, also @Roboron is synchronizing the simutranslater with my repository in github.

Quote from: prissi on August 13, 2021, 12:58:04 PMI also noticed that you used the very uncommon (by now) three day month time display settings.
Yes that was what I wanted to achieve by passing those intervals to with a script function. (Y)
https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,20764.0.html

Quote from: prissi on August 13, 2021, 12:58:04 PMHowever, I am unable to set the departure. No matter what, it refuses to let my bus schedule pass.

Mr. Prissi, I have tried the latest revision, and everything is working as planned. ???  Look at the image and you will see the schedule configuration that the tutorial indicates.

prissi

The secnario I have is in 3 day time. So there is no way you can set it to 5 days. I think you are running in rounding errors. I am asked to set it to 11h 26m. Beware, the ganularity with the three day time setting is different from the 31 day time setting.

1min with three days is 65536/(3*24*60+1)=15.15 long while with 31 days the minite is 65536/(31*24*60+1)=1.468 ... Hence the destination setting need to check with abs(target_value-set_value)<=7 in 3 day format.

EDIT: Also please drop Mr. prissi. Prissi is an online nick and Mr does really not suit it.

Yona-TYT

#36
Yes, that must be the problem, I still don't get much of the simutrans code to change it myself. In my script I made a compensation multiplying by 16, but I was certain that I would fail with someone else: "difftick_to_string (wait * (16))"

You have to modify this:static plainstring difftick_to_string_intern(sint32 f )
{
    return difftick_to_string( f, false );
}


Edit.
QuoteHence the destination setting need to check with abs(target_value-set_value)<=7 in 3 day format.
If I make that comparison the result is zero: Target = 10571 - Set = 10571 abs = 0

prissi

The waiting time is always 65535 ticks per month, but the month length can change! Calling schedule_entry.get_waiting_ticks() returns the time in the current difftick format. Otherwise it has to be shifted by (ticks_per_month-16) or multiplied by (ticks_per_month/655536).

Still the target wait time precision depends on the day per month date format setting. In the 64 scenario it is by default three days per month. Thus no setting can exactly reproduce the value you want. I strongly suggest replaing line 622 nd 822 in the basic file from  "if (entries[nr].wait!=wait)" to "if (abs(entries[nr].wait-wait)>7)".

I have also some other remarks on the tutorial:
The order of the bus stops make the bus travel uneccssary long way and will loose it a lot of money.
It is not allowed to press start with an open schedule, even if the schedule is correct. This is of course possible in game.
Why do you use the copy backward? This is the most useless for the default settings and causes rather problems and congestions. Best to have two lines forwards and backwards.
When starting three convois, one cannot use the copy convoi tool. Why? This is the easiest way to start three of them. But I get the message (only on start) that there must be a single convoi. The text should at least tell about not using copying ...
Why are the stops made public? This is really advanced and not needed for a normal play.
Before complex tunnel construction, maybe a normal tunnel construction exercise might have been better. Maybe on the planks line to the wholesale.

I could not finish the underground construction in the nightly. That part simply does not work, as the tile to click in not visible in sliced underground mode and the tunnel cannot be extended in Underground mode. Making double slopes that way is a nightmare likely nothing a first time player should attempt.

I will test this scenario with my boys later and get further feedback.

Yona-TYT


Thank you very much for your comments!. ;D
Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:18:53 AMStill the target wait time precision depends on the day per month date format setting. In the 64 scenario it is by default three days per month. Thus no setting can exactly reproduce the value you want. I strongly suggest replaing line 622 nd 822 in the basic file from  "if (entries[nr].wait!=wait)" to "if (abs(entries[nr].wait-wait)>7)".
I'm going to try that!.  8)

Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:18:53 AMThe order of the bus stops make the bus travel uneccssary long way and will loose it a lot of money.
The order of the bus stops is easy to change.  8)


Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:18:53 AMIt is not allowed to press start with an open schedule, even if the schedule is correct. This is of course possible in game.
Well this seems an internal problem in the api (if it were my script it would show a message from the script), I am going to do some tests to confirm.
Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:18:53 AMWhy do you use the copy backward? This is the most useless for the default settings and causes rather problems and congestions. Best to have two lines forwards and backwards.
Well I'm going to remove it, although that forces me to change the texts.
Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:18:53 AMWhen starting three convois, one cannot use the copy convoi tool. Why? This is the easiest way to start three of them. But I get the message (only on start) that there must be a single convoi. The text should at least tell about not using copying ...
I will change the rule to allow the 3 buses to start.
Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:18:53 AMWhy are the stops made public? This is really advanced and not needed for a normal play.
It occurred to me to use public stops because the train stations are public, the reason is simple, I did not want to make chapter 3 more extensive by adding an extra step where the player builds those stations.

Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:18:53 AMBefore complex tunnel construction, maybe a normal tunnel construction exercise might have been better. Maybe on the planks line to the wholesale.
Regarding the tunnels, in the pak128 tutorial if there is a previous construction of a tunnel, I will do the same here.
Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:18:53 AMI could not finish the underground construction in the nightly. That part simply does not work, as the tile to click in not visible in sliced underground mode and the tunnel cannot be extended in Underground mode. Making double slopes that way is a nightmare likely nothing a first time player should attempt.
The underground construction is a headache, I could never make it work perfectly, even so it does not prevent me from extending in the underground mode (before height 7), for height 7 if it forces me to use the cut mode. Even so I had the hope that others could complete this parter, I suppose I will have to pass it and pass it automatically.



prissi

Keep the return ticket then.

About the public stop: You can keep it in if you say way to make it public and that it is quite expensive.

Yona-TYT

The problem with cut slopes started here: https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,20066.msg188523.html#msg188523


It would be great if this was resolved.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:36:34 PMKeep the return ticket then.
I did not understand this hehehehe.  ;D

Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:36:34 PMAbout the public stop: You can keep it in if you say way to make it public and that it is quite expensive.
Okay, I'll update the text to mention that!.


I am currently trying to solve the underground constructions, I would not want to skip the construction of slopes, so I do my best to improve this part of the tutorial.

prissi

The underground construction is improved in r10012 and again works better without artefacts I hope. However, a tile more distance to the tunnel portal will make it easier and allows for portals without these edges on top.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: prissi on August 15, 2021, 12:16:22 PM
The underground construction is improved in r10012 and again works better without artefacts I hope. However, a tile more distance to the tunnel portal will make it easier and allows for portals without these edges on top.
Exactly that is what I am planning, and thanks to its modification it  you can move forward  with the cut underground mode without problems (in theory). :P

Yona-TYT

#44


@Prissi, I think I have changed most of the things you have indicated to me.

Edit. I have modified the savegame, it should start the scenario again, I recommend that you use the script link to skip the steps / chapters
In underground constructions I have managed to allow extending the tunnel with sliced view and underground mode, I hope it works for you too.

Look at the attached image with the descriptive texts to make public stops.

I will publish a version when the texts are ready and I finish testing everything: https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64.git

Ok, I have made the following changes: 
[General] Change the check logic for the timeout as you said (Works fine)

[Chapter 2] ============================================= ===================
Step 4: Change the order of the schedule list for the bus
Step 6 The return trip is eliminated
Step 6: Now multiple vehicles are allowed in step 6 (of the 3 buses)
Step 8: The text is changed and now mentioned the high cost of making public stops.

[Chapter 3] Step 6: The construction of the bridge is changed to that of a tunnel.
step 8: I have improved the underground constructions, but I still need to do more tests to be satisfied.

[Chapter 5] ============================================= ===================
Step 4: Change the order of the schedule list for the mail truck




@Prissi, to use the "Sliced map view" you must keep [Ctrl] pressed to extend the tunnel from the entrance, this is not foreseen since in a normal game this is not necessary, however something is interfering with the tunneling tool and I can not know what it is, it seems an internal problem in simutrans since this did not happen before.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: prissi on August 14, 2021, 02:18:53 AMIt is not allowed to press start with an open schedule, even if the schedule is correct. This is of course possible in game.
@Prissi, With script or without script the vehicles are not starting if the vehicle / schedule window is open, unless you switch to another tab.

Before if they did.

prissi

Could you elaborate? I could start a tram and a bus with the schedule window open.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: prissi on August 16, 2021, 01:55:48 PMCould you elaborate? I could start a tram and a bus with the schedule window open.

prissi

This happens only with the scenario. In a normal game I have no problems doing so.

Yona-TYT

#49
It's not working for me in normal games for some reason.  :-[   

Edit. Using SDL2 in Linux.

Maybe you should try just the saveme: https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64/raw/main/tutorial64.sve

Roboron

There seems to be some strings that are not properly translated when calling translate(). See attached image 1.

On chapter_03/01_2-2.txt there are some hardcoded values (production per month), that may or may not be true (they were true for pak128, not for pak64).

Wrong text. Asking me to build a tunnel but the text says bridge. Attached image 2.
At this point I would advice against building a second depot, if possible, and joining the tracks instead. Since every depot increases maintenance costs that's not the best practice...

I got stuck when building the tunnel: At some point I couldn't raise the terrain nor build or destroy tracks: That was game over. The script can't even advance to the next step, lol. Unfortunately I forgot to save the game, but you can look at the screenshots (3 & 4).

I restarted an the second time I was able to continue. But I got stuck at chapter 4, when I couldn't add a new stop for the ferry... This time I have a savefile, if you want. I didn't continue further the tutorial, I'm sleepy by now.

I've updated some texts, both translations and corrections. For example I added missing variables on chapter_03/01_2-2.txt

Quote from: prissi on August 13, 2021, 02:45:17 PMEDIT: Also please drop Mr. prissi. Prissi is an online nick and Mr does really not suit it.

And he is technically a Doctor, so the correct way we should call him is Dr. Prissi!

Yona-TYT

#51
Quote from: Roboron on August 21, 2021, 12:03:00 AMThere seems to be some strings that are not properly translated when calling translate(). See attached image 1.
I never knew how to solve that I fear.  :(


Please send me the savegame of your stuck in chapter 4, I'll try to solve the chapter 3.
I have been able to advance without many problems, but you should know that it is recommended to use the "Es: Modo subterraneo por capas", since in the other way it is very tedious at times.


Edit
Well, I went  :lightbulb: on the focus :lightbulb:  so I found the problem in chapter 3 and resolved it, I have already sent the update, please verify that it works well now.
https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64/commit/7fbc2ac5eb765984fcb84d955f529aa4cf977dd4

With respect to the Depot, that forced to change the text files, I would like to avoid that as much as possible.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: Yona-TYT on August 21, 2021, 12:32:09 AMCita de: prissi en Agosto 13, 2021, 10:45:17 am

    EDIT: Also please drop Mr. prissi. Prissi is an online nick and Mr does really not suit it.


And he is technically a Doctor, so the correct way we should call him is Dr. Prissi!

Maybe he prefers Dr. Markus.  8)

Roboron

#53
Quote from: Yona-TYT on August 21, 2021, 12:32:09 AMI never knew how to solve that I fear.  :(

Through my magical skills that Saint Prissi gave me when I became a Code/Patcher, I have determined the solution:

==> https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64/commit/3feebcb21a1f8c6708e467bb32edf846aaa686e4

Quote from: Yona-TYT on August 21, 2021, 12:32:09 AMI found the problem in chapter 3 and resolved it

This time, upon a similar situation, I didn't get stuck. So let's say you may also have such powers for now...

Quote from: Yona-TYT on August 21, 2021, 12:32:09 AMPlease send me the savegame of your stuck in chapter 4, I'll try to solve the chapter 3.

Actually, I was just being a newbie. I was trying to set the stop for the ferry to be the dock tile (151,198), when it should be the tile in front of the dock (152,198). Please don't judge me, I've not yet finished this game's tutorial! :-P (But that may be worth mentioning, or even better if you can highlight the tile)

Another cognitive dissonance: The chapter 3B is called "Building a Tunnel" but I'm being asked to build a bridge instead. You may want to change the name of the chapter.



Quote from: Yona-TYT on August 21, 2021, 01:41:14 AMMaybe he prefers Dr. Markus.  8)

I don't think so, it is also disrespectful, that's like mocking him! Doctor title is to be used with Last Name. It's like when we say "Señor", we say "Señor Pristovsek", not "Señor Markus", for that you use "Don Markus". That  is, unless you use his Full Name, in such a case you can write "Dr. Markus Pristovsek" and he will not be mad at you. But that is much more work...

Yona-TYT

#54
Quote from: Roboron on August 21, 2021, 07:21:40 AMThrough my magical skills that Saint Prissi gave me when I became a Code/Patcher, I have determined the solution: ==> https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64/commit/3feebcb21a1f8c6708e467bb32edf846aaa686e4
Hmmm, I see you have to initialize from the text function as such, well if I find others (There still must be) I will correct them, thank you very much !.


Quote from: Roboron on August 21, 2021, 07:21:40 AMAnother cognitive dissonance: The chapter 3B is called "Building a Tunnel" but I'm being asked to build a bridge instead. You may want to change the name of the chapter.
Fix.


Yona-TYT

#55
Quote from: Roboron on August 21, 2021, 12:03:00 AMOn chapter_03/01_2-2.txt there are some hardcoded values (production per month), that may or may not be true (they were true for pak128, not for pak64).
The truth is that this was someone else's idea, but it was only intended for the pak128.

Quote from: Roboron on August 21, 2021, 12:03:00 AMThere seems to be some strings that are not properly translated when calling translate(). See attached image 1.
I have already fixed All text strings. :P 

prissi

Sorry, I think I found a new way to break the tutorial. When I am asked to build the bridge, doing it the old way (first a stretch of way using the already selected tool, and then clicking on the bridge tool) hangs the script.

Yona-TYT

It was a silly mistake, the start and end variables of the bridge were reversed, so I was checking if the bridge existed but on the opposite slope.


You just have to update your local branch and stay where I am, Thank you very much for finding this, greetings !.  8)
--> https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64

Yona-TYT

@prissi, I can't publish files right now, you can still get the latest version from GitHub.
https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64
I hope it works well and that you do not forget to include it in the pak64, greetings !.

Roboron

Here a proper release was made https://github.com/Yona-TYT/tutorial_pak64/releases/tag/v1.6.20

Scenario Tutorial Pak64 v1.6.20

  • Chapter 2, step F: You can now start more than one vehicle at the same time.
  • Chapter 2, step F: Removed backward travel.
  • Chapter 2, step H: Added explanatory text about public stops.
  • Chapter 3, step C: Bridge construction now replaced by tunnel construction.
  • Fix (more) issues when building a tunnel.
  • Add jump_to_link_executed function.
  • Code and text cleaning.
  • Minor improvements and bug fixes.

Yona-TYT

#60
I share a new version ready for testing.... tutorial-pak64-v1.6.40 beta

Not a valid attachment ID.

Any help with testing welcome!.

At first glance it doesn't seem to have changed much since the last version, but the truth is that I've been working on this for more than a month. :o

Earring:
- Failed click counter is broken, waiting for: https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,21981.msg202264/topicseen.html#msg202264
- Some new and obsolete translations are not yet reviewed.

List of changes:

- Add Link to skip steps on CH6
- Reworked underground buildings (should be easier to build now).
- Underground constructions now warn if the underground view is active or the correct level of the layer.
- Fixed many bugs with auto build code.
- Improvements in the logic of checking rails/roads when they are built (the flashing marks that appear and disappear).
- Add coord list to differentiate between the track under construction and the existing ones.
- Improvements in the simutrans/paksets versions analyzer
- Improvements in the failed click counter (But it's still broken).
- Various bug fixes between chapters 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

prissi

Unclude in the svn, thanks.

Yona-TYT

Quote from: prissi on November 20, 2022, 04:49:54 AMUnclude in the svn, thanks.

Or no, wait a moment, there are still things pending, this is just a preview to make tests. :D

As soon as we solve this I will publish a final version. ;)

Mishasama

Quote from: Yona-TYT on November 19, 2022, 02:14:25 AMI share a new version ready for testing.... tutorial-pak64-v1.6.40 beta

Not a valid attachment ID.

Any help with testing welcome!.

At first glance it doesn't seem to have changed much since the last version, but the truth is that I've been working on this for more than a month. :o

Earring:
- Failed click counter is broken, waiting for: https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,21981.msg202264/topicseen.html#msg202264
- Some new and obsolete translations are not yet reviewed.

List of changes:

- Add Link to skip steps on CH6
- Reworked underground buildings (should be easier to build now).
- Underground constructions now warn if the underground view is active or the correct level of the layer.
- Fixed many bugs with auto build code.
- Improvements in the logic of checking rails/roads when they are built (the flashing marks that appear and disappear).
- Add coord list to differentiate between the track under construction and the existing ones.
- Improvements in the simutrans/paksets versions analyzer
- Improvements in the failed click counter (But it's still broken).
- Various bug fixes between chapters 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.
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Because of some reason. I am looking for volunteers who can help me update the Pak64.Nightly.

I'm helping to build the Chinese community for now.
如果您是使用中文的玩家,歡迎到這裏尋找同好或張貼您們組織的聯係方式。
如果你是中文玩家,欢迎来这个帖子里找组织或者贴出你们的联系方式。

Yona-TYT

Quote from: Mishasama on November 23, 2022, 04:04:07 AMdownload.png
I can not replicate this, are you using the last night of simutrans?.

Andarix

Steam version ist not the last nightly

Yona-TYT

#66
Quote from: Mishasama on November 23, 2022, 04:04:07 AMdownload.png

Well actually it was a bug, since from sumutrans-v1.123x the compatibility information chapter should be shown, but because a recently added function was wrongly called before and that's why it failed. :P

Thank you very much for your report, please try again with this :D  : Not a valid attachment ID.

Captura desde 2022-11-23 14-49-02.png


Yona-TYT


Yona-TYT

I share a new version ready for testing.... tutorial-pak64-v1.6.42 beta

Scenario:  tutorialpak64-v1.6.42.zip

Any help with testing welcome!.

A small update to cover the latest changes. :P

Earring:
- Failed click counter is broken, waiting for: https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,21981.msg202264/topicseen.html#msg202264
- Some new and obsolete translations are not yet reviewed.

List of changes:

- Add Link to skip steps on CH6
- Reworked underground buildings (should be easier to build now).
- Underground constructions now warn if the underground view is active or the correct level of the layer.
- Fixed many bugs with auto build code.
- Improvements in the logic of checking rails/roads when they are built (the flashing marks that appear and disappear).
- Add coord list to differentiate between the track under construction and the existing ones.
- Improvements in the simutrans/paksets versions analyzer
- Improvements in the failed click counter (But it's still broken).
- Various bug fixes between chapters 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.
- Fix error when using an old version of simutrans
- Disable debug tab

Mishasama

Quote from: Yona-TYT on November 23, 2022, 06:52:21 PMCaptura desde 2022-11-23 14-49-02.png
The same problem says it needs 123.0.2.

If you do nothing after loading the tutorial, you will be prompted for bankruptcy after a while.
I think the tutorial should enable Freeplay mode to avoid this problem.

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Because of some reason. I am looking for volunteers who can help me update the Pak64.Nightly.

I'm helping to build the Chinese community for now.
如果您是使用中文的玩家,歡迎到這裏尋找同好或張貼您們組織的聯係方式。
如果你是中文玩家,欢迎来这个帖子里找组织或者贴出你们的联系方式。

Yona-TYT

Quote from: Mishasama on November 28, 2022, 10:11:28 AMThe same problem says it needs 123.0.2.
Exactly, this is a beta version of the tutorial and it is using new features that are only available in the development version of simutrans.

The purpose of this message is to tell the player to update their version of simutrans / or change the packset in case of incompatibility.

Yona-TYT