Started by Ronin1996, July 29, 2020, 06:20:08 PM
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Quote from: KneeOn on August 03, 2020, 03:23:15 PM@Leartin for what its worth, Furries [...] are closely associated to sexual content. I do not agree that by linking Furries to Sex, you are also linking or the type of person to link LGBT+ communities to AIDS, Islam to terrorism or Germany to Nazism. I think that weakens the arguments you've made. It is a popular cultural phenomenon bred by memes shared across friendly local meme suppliers that Furries are sexually deviant or sexually motivated in their pursuit of the hobby.
Quote from: KneeOn on August 03, 2020, 03:23:15 PMAnother good example of content management is the fact no pak will officially ship with nuclear or wartime industry. It is possible to create one if you have the skill and ability to create a new industry and paint a tank sales store etc, but Simutrans won't let you ship it with an official pakset no matter how excellent the technical aspects of the content is.
Quote from: Leartin on August 04, 2020, 09:43:48 AMIt just so happens that there is no pakset author who is interested in creating wartime industry,
Quote from: Freahk on August 04, 2020, 07:08:08 PMIn addition to the ethical discussion about this, did you consider the consequences to players?These had to buy massive amounts of rolling stock and alter huge amounts of cargo lines for a few ingame years, after which they had to adjust it all again.Most players would not do this.
Quote from: Leartin on August 03, 2020, 05:42:17 AMNo need to get mad. Did I get mad when you presumed I wouldn't know the connotation of the word? There are many who don't, so the explaination was necessary, and someone who would compare a fursuit store to a sex store probably doesn't.
Quote from: KneeOn on August 04, 2020, 01:04:27 PMIn the UK we have legislation - the Equalities Act 2010 which gives protected characteristics making it unlawful to discriminate on race, age, gender, sexual orientation, disability or status as transgender. Perhaps that is a better and less objective framework, while retaining PEGI 13 for content not covered by the above.
Quote from: TheRoadmaster1996 on August 04, 2020, 05:56:38 PMOkay how about this, during the war, automobile manufactures and other industries here in the States started producing equipment for the war effort so Chrysler made engines for our tanks, Ford helped make airplanes, textile mills started making clothing for the troops etc. So in Simutrans, the same could happen
Quote from: Leartin on August 05, 2020, 01:58:24 PMWell, if you get a job application and the applicant states "Furry" under "Hobbies", do you think you can legally turn him down based on that, or would it be discrimination? After all, you'd think of a sexual orientation and discriminate against it, even if the applicant has no sexual interest in furries.If we used such a law as guideline, would it only mean to disallow game objects that engage in unlawful discrimination, or should it be applied to those managing the pakset - that is, one couldn't remove a gay bar from the pakset just because it's gay, since that would be discrimination - one would have to remove all bars, or find a completely different reason like lack of quality in the art. Which again would ask the question whether Furries wouldn't be protected against discrimination, and therefore a Furry Mart as well.
Quote from: KneeOn on August 05, 2020, 05:55:42 PMThere is a difference between sexual interest/turn ons and sexual orientation. Those lines may be blurred at times but I don't think it can be argued that those who engage in the sexual aspects of the hobby are part of a sexual orientation in the meaning of that law.
Quote from: KneeOn on August 05, 2020, 05:55:42 PMI think it's both silly to ignore the sexual aspect of the hobby or pretend it doesn't exist, given it's popular status as a meme within western popular/internet culture.
Quote from: KneeOn on August 05, 2020, 05:55:42 PMPhystams stance is it's been pointed out by a player and they'll remove it. That's Phystams shout as the maintainer.
Quote from: Leartin on August 08, 2020, 12:14:51 PMDo you know how popular "Queen killed Diana" memes are? (or were, for a while) - so, does that mean we can't ignore the queen might be a murderer when discussing whether buckingham palace get's into a set? Or would it be silly to adress a meme like that?
Quote from: DrSuperGood on August 10, 2020, 06:12:25 AMHere in the UK there is a reasonably large second hand electronics shop chain called CeX. In case people have not guessed where this is going it is quite literally pronounced the same as "sex" and happily airs adverts emphasizing its company name during the middle of the day.
Quote from: KneeOn on August 14, 2020, 02:19:02 PMI forgot about being 12 and laughing at CeX!
Quote from: KneeOn on August 09, 2020, 06:27:34 PMLeartin, I think you're taking points made to you to the extreme and engaging in counter productive whataboutism. Furries are not the same as those of the Jewish faith and I find it insulting that you'd even compare the two in the context of what content is and isn't acceptable. Similarly, the suggestion about the Queen and Diana and if we can reasonably suggest it is a poor whataboutism. Like wise transgenderism in any of its forms (including what used to be known as cross dressing, gender bending or dressing in drag) is separate and distinct from furry culture.
Quote from: KneeOn on August 09, 2020, 06:27:34 PMOnes decision to be a furry is not in the same league as race, sexuality, religion etc. Stop trying to make it one.
QuoteThe enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in the European Convention on Human Rights and the Human Rights Act shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.
Quote from: DrSuperGood on August 10, 2020, 06:12:25 AMI am very disappointed that no where during this topic was an image of the actual building that started it linked. Without an actual image to put with the name, it is just a name and one cannot imply the stores function, or if that function might not be age appropriate.
Quote from: DrSuperGood on August 10, 2020, 06:12:25 AMshowing blood and gore (no pools of blood around abattoir with animation of animal being decapitated, could upset some people),showing disturbing scenes (scenes of crimes, bullying, violence e.t.c. as could upset some people) and anything involving drugs or other normally illegal activities.
Quote from: prissi on August 15, 2020, 01:22:53 PMOn that relation, the recent mangling of English with "choose your pronon" is also until extremely recently an America only thing. Until at least 2015 the only persons allowed to use "they" as their pronoun where the queens and the pope ... Somehow I wonder why people feel the need to differenciate: The only reason I can think is elitism, to feel better than the rest.
Quote[* Just pointing out - I translated here, what she really doesn't like is "Gnä'Frau"]