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"Show all" in the depot dialog is a misleading expression

Started by Ranran, June 05, 2022, 10:40:01 AM

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Ranran

I recently had a battle with the depot dialog, it's a formidable monster... (´・ω・`)はぁまじ *Sigh really sigh*
Then I think "show all" is a confusing expression when compared to the behavior of other options such as "Show obsolete" in the depot dialog.
Because pressing show all does not show everything. Obsolete vehicle and outsided vehicle are excluded.
I think it would be more appropriate to state that all current or non-connectable vehicles should be included. (I don't speak English so I don't know if current is the right word here. I mean, vehicles that have not yet been out of production.)

It should be noted that this includes vehicles that appear only by upgrade. (purple ones)
This could be changed to a separate option or include this only in upgrade mode.
In the future, it may be possible to consider the placement of buttons. The current L-shape is a bit strange in position.

This is sure to be confusing, at least when "show all" is translated directly into Japanese. (Unfortunately, at present, such a mistranslation is made.)

So my point is that if your language currently uses such misleading expressions, you should proofread them.
And some are notes for future depot dialog improvements.

jamespetts

An interesting point. I should be interested in people's views about what would be a clearer expression for what the "show all" button does. "Show all current", perhaps?
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Ranran

One thing I came up with is that the current "Show all (current)" still contains too much, for example the traction type that depot does not support.
As far as I can think of, the display of traction type vehicles that are not available in the depot makes little sense.
Separate the different traction types from "Show all (current)" and add new option like "Show unsuport traction type" to clean up the display in "Show all (current)".

jamespetts

It may well be that the "show all" feature is not very useful now that we have the available vehicle list feature; before this feature, it was useful to be able to show things that could not be built in this particular depot, as the player may not have a depot of the right type available.

It is an interesting question what the utility is now of the "show all" button and how it should work.
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Ranran

Quote from: jamespetts on June 05, 2022, 01:04:46 PMIt may well be that the "show all" feature is not very useful now that we have the available vehicle list feature
I created a patch that excludes different traction types from show all as an additional patch for the depot update patch.
https://github.com/Ranran-the-JuicyPork/simutrans-extended/tree/2206-show-all-clean-up

Sirius

The behavior I'd expect is "show all vehicles that can be purchased in this depot at the current point in time"

Quote from: Ranran on June 05, 2022, 06:32:03 PMI created a patch that excludes different traction types from show all as an additional patch for the depot update patch.

The above seems to match that expectation.