Scenario Tutorial for the pak192.comic

[Yona-TYT]

I am thinking of starting the adaptation of the tutorial for pak192.comic, but I am not very up to date with the latest addons of this project.
I need to know if the pakset meets the minimum requirements for a small network in all types of transport:

   
• Chapter 1: Informational Only.
  
• Chapter 2: Buses.
  
• Chapter 3: Merchandise trains, electric passenger trains.
  
• Chapter 4: Merchandise Ships, Passenger Ships.
  
• Chapter 5: An electric plant as a coal mine and its respective trucks.
  
• Chapter 6: Aircraft for passengers.
  

It would also be nice if someone provide a map to make this tutorial look great.

[Flemmbrav]

Thanks a lot for kicking this off!

Ships might be an issue here, we only have a very selected collection of ships sadly.
Rest should be fine. Buses are there, trains are plenty, coal is in there too, aircrafts as well.

In regards of the map, what are you looking for there? How tall shall it be? Are there any special needs?

[Yona-TYT]

In regards of the map, what are you looking for there? How tall shall it be? Are there any special needs?

not much actually, just large enough to locate a city far far away which will be connected to an airline.

I like mountainous maps by the way.

[Yona-TYT]

I'm starting to edit a map, it's a bit difficult since I have to adjust everything to converge with the scenery.

This is just phase 1.

[Yona-TYT]

I have noticed that there is no passenger dock for slope, are there plans to add one soon?.

[Flemmbrav]

Good question... our ship department kind of lacks on everything.
There might be one in the future, in case there'll be fitting ships.

By now, all passenger ships we have are for channels

[Yona-TYT]

By now, all passenger ships we have are for channels

Well for now I'll work with what's there.

I hope not to stray too far from the existing logic in pak128 and 64, I have noticed many substantial differences both in the availability of objects and in the basic style of pak192, so far it has been a challenge to adapt things.

[Leartin]

Added simple docks for pax today. Still no proper ships though...

[Yona-TYT]

Added simple docks for pax today. Still no proper ships though...

That's good : )

For now I'm satisfied with these two.

[Yona-TYT]

I have not yet reached the ships, but almost!.

I have been looking at the simutrans code to implement new script functions and this has delayed the work of the tutorial.

I almost finished chapter 3, which is the most difficult.

[Yona-TYT]

@Leartin, do you have any merchandise dock for  water canal that you can lend me?.

I didn't notice this before, I could have sworn I saw one!.  

The item list so far:

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ship1_name_obj = "RMS_BlackDragon"
ship2_name_obj = "alsterdampfer_1940"
sc_way_name = "channel"
sc_dock_name1 = "dock_long"
sc_dock_name2 = "null" //dock channel
sc_dock_name3 = "null" //slope dock
sc_dep_name = "Schiffdepot"

[Flemmbrav]

I recently drew that one, it's part of the latest nightly you can find on GitHub.

[Yona-TYT]

I recently drew that one, it's part of the latest nightly you can find on GitHub.

Thank you very much for the information! I have already added it to the scenario. 

If there are more news that you think should be added to the tutorial, let me know, regards!.   

[Yona-TYT]

Until now almost complete chapter 5 "Industrial efficiency"

In the fine pass it is required to build an extension building for the post office (a small 1x1 tile post office), in order to promote the surrounding industries, but I did not get something similar.

It must be 1x1 to avoid destroying many buildings in the city.

In pak64 we have this:

[Leartin]

extension_Postamt is a 1x1 post office extension, though it appears only in '96.
I'll see if there is an easy solution for an earlier post office.

EDIT: Earlier post office added.

[Yona-TYT]

extension_Postamt is a 1x1 post office extension, though it appears only in '96.
I'll see if there is an easy solution for an earlier post office.

A quick snapshot of my current progress.

Edit:
Note: I put the "post office" using script , but they are actually out of date , so they are only there to allow me to move forward.

EDIT: Earlier post office added.

@Leartin
You work fast and quietly hehehehe. 

[Yona-TYT]

What do you think about boosting the oil platform with mail? I did this same query in pak128 but no consensus was reached (I think) : https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,21970.0.html

This is due to the fact that in pak64, in addition to passengers, the mail also increases production and it seems curious to me that pak128 and 192 do not.

[Flemmbrav]

I just tried the download from your announcement post:

Simutrans r10759
Pak192.Comic from 15 hours ago



Do you have an idea on what might be the cause of this?


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For the oil rig: honestly, I have no clue on how much postal service an usual oil rig needs. I'd guess that there really isn't a lot, is there? Might be more about food supply and stuff like that.

[Andarix]

...
Simutrans r10759
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to old version

actual is 10831

[Yona-TYT]

to old version

It's certainly an old review.

[Flemmbrav]

It's the latest nightly I can actually download from https://nightly.simutrans.com/en/, thus I thought it might just be young enough.

I'll file a bug report there and wait for a newer version, thank you.

[Yona-TYT]

https://github.com/aburch/simutrans/releases/tag/Nightly

[Flemmbrav]

Works! thank you so much!

[Flemmbrav]

When creating the first bus line, the scenario details mention 5 stops, but there is a demand for an unmentioned "Glasgow inner stop".
Chapter 4 also doesn't start for me.

But this really is a nice change from the standard way to play the game! Really fun to play.

[Yona-TYT]

When creating the first bus line, the scenario details mention 5 stops, but there is a demand for an unmentioned "Glasgow inner stop".
Chapter 4 also doesn't start for me.

But this really is a nice change from the standard way to play the game! Really fun to play.

Can you send me a savegame to verify why chapter 4 doesn't start? any error message?.

[Yona-TYT]

When creating the first bus line, the scenario details mention 5 stops,

It fix.

Chapter 4 also doesn't start for me.

I must assume you got to this point:

 


I had a confusion with the names of the wagons and the cabin, because in the translation all the names are the same (see the list in the image).

This can confuse new players and they may not be able to progress from this point.

I have changed the names and now if it works well:

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loc3_name_obj = "OBB_4010_Triebkopf_1"
 loc4_name_obj = "OBB_4010_Mittelwagen"
 loc5_name_obj = "OBB_4010_Steuerwagen_2"

I have fixed a bug with the slopes in chapter 3 (it is curious that you could advance).


Please replace the file: "class_chapter_03.nut " in the "class" directory of the scenario to apply the new fixes.


I will wait for more reports and then post a new version.

[Flemmbrav]

Link to the savegame:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/522836436270055435/1053383670347599933/scenariotest.sve

I actually managed to complete the railway section.
Active chapter is chapter 4 as well.
Just the first step not starting.

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I just brute forced the slope thing for the tunnel, maybe that was what resulted in this bug...

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my train consist of 2 power heads and 3 coaches. That seemed to work to complete chapter 3.

[Yona-TYT]

I actually managed to complete the railway section.
Active chapter is chapter 4 as well.
Just the first step not starting.

You have advanced through the chapter without calling the proper function for it.
There is a logic (somewhat complicated) in charge of analyzing all the vehicles in circulation and in case of detecting a missing one, it goes back to that chapter, however it is possible that in some (rare) circumstances it does the opposite effect and advances the chapter.

I myself can make a new function in simutrans to solve this, but I have to ask @Dwachs to see if he agrees to implement.

For the moment I return your fixed savegame so that you can continue with the tests:  scenariotest.sve

my train consist of 2 power heads and 3 coaches. That seemed to work to complete chapter 3.

Well, it is logical that the artist who created trains is not going to get stuck here hehehe. 

The truth is that I don't know much about train combinations so you should verify that this combination is the right one.




 

[Yona-TYT]

I apologize for the double post.

I have sent a new update!.

Indeed I have confirmed my suspicions with this and I have implemented a (rudimentary) solution that works and also shows a message (message center) every time this happens, but for now just ignore it, it's just to have it there in case it happens again a fail (hopefully not).
https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,22127.msg202544/topicseen.html#msg202544

Really fun to play

Fun ? Wait until you get to chapter 5, which is my favorite. 

[Yona-TYT]

I was testing the latest nightly version of pak192.comic and found a problem in chapter 5.

It turns out that the name of the "good" for carbon no longer works with "Kohle", now the trucks use it is "coal" so I had to change it.

I guess it's a recent change?.

[Leartin]

The name was originally German and was changed to English a while ago. A long while. Like, about 8 years? The compat.dat still contains the entry of that change (near the top, line 87 and 88)

Don't think there was any recent change touching this.

[Yona-TYT]

The name was originally German and was changed to English a while ago. A long while. Like, about 8 years? The compat.dat still contains the entry of that change (near the top, line 87 and 88)

Don't think there was any recent change touching this.

that strange, i'm sure this was working fine before, i did a lot of tests.

[Yona-TYT]

that strange, i'm sure this was working fine before, i did a lot of tests.

I realized that the bug was my fault...

@Leartin, Please consider adding the scenario to the pak192.comic, I think I'm the first to create one for that pakset.

What is on github works (at least I didn't get potentially destructive bugs)

https://github.com/simutrans/tutorial_pak192.comic

[Yona-TYT]

Apparently this has not yet been included in pak192.comic nights.

[Flemmbrav]

Oh damnit, will do!
Thank you for the reminder!

[Flemmbrav]

Okay I managed to include it now!
Sadly, it doesn't work. Starting the scenario will lead to error messages.

[Yona-TYT]

Okay I managed to include it now!
Sadly, it doesn't work. Starting the scenario will lead to error messages.

The script you use is directly from Github?

Do you have a savegame to review?


Edit.

Do you are using r8870 ?

[Flemmbrav]

r10421, script is directly fetched from GitHub.
In case you want to try this yourself, just download the pakset from GitHub

[Yona-TYT]

r10421, script is directly fetched from GitHub.
In case you want to try this yourself, just download the pakset from GitHub

r10421, script is directly fetched from GitHub.
In case you want to try this yourself, just download the pakset from GitHub

Can You tests with r10926 ?


I am using the exact same version of pak192 you are using, the same script that is already included in the pakset, but I cannot reproduce the error.


What exactly did you do to mess it up?... It would be nice if someone else can replicate this bug.

[Flemmbrav]

Works perfectly fine in r10834.
Seems like I just need to update my game!

[Yona-TYT]

Yes, the truth is that during the development of the script I was annoying the developers a lot "to Dwachs 😉" and a lot of things were implemented or corrected that completely break backwards compatibility, I tried to fix it so that it would be compatible again but it simply I couldn't .

[Yona-TYT]

Due to the new button to start the tutorial from the main banner, it is necessary that you update the configuration in the pak for it to be available.

[Donald C.]

The tutorial still doesn't work to date.

[Yona-TYT]

Can you tell me the version of simutrans that you are using? Also, can you attach the savegame and give me more details about how the error occurred?.

[Donald C.]

I'm using Simutrans 123.0.1 r10421. There's no savegame to attach, as clicking 'load scenario' from anywhere causes the same error.

EDIT: I was using the latest default steam version. I then tried enabling the 'nightly' beta participation (123.0.2 r11054), and this immediately solved the issue.

[Yona-TYT]

EDIT: I was using the latest default steam version. I then tried enabling the 'nightly' beta participation (123.0.2 r11054), and this immediately solved the issue.

This is due to significant changes in the Script API between the previous version and nights, I was unable to maintain backwards compatibility.

[Yona-TYT]

I have made a last minute update because the tutorial was giving a message of incompatibility with the latest version of simutrans.

https://github.com/simutrans/tutorial_pak192.comic/commit/0a1e35ad3ffa219c0f46ac0ea102fbf53b9ffd17


https://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,22909.msg206881/topicseen.html#msg206881

[Nazalassa]

Latest Simutrans version (124.3) and pak192.comic version (7.2):

Opening finances causes a segfault.


There seems to be a problem in chapter 2, step D, with the bus' schedule: no matter what I do I am told the departure time is incorrect (I double-checked the time) and I get the following message when pressing "Start":



This one comes when I close the schedule window:



Interestingly, once I click "Next step" in the tutorial window, the bus' schedule is exactly the same as what I tried.


The tutorial also doesn't let me build a station (chapter 3):



And it is quite weird that the tutorial speaks aboout "standard-gauge" and trains while it is working with "narrow-gauge". But then it asks for "standard-gauge" and it is "standard-gauge" - may lead to confusion, esp. for new players.

Chapter 3, steps E and G talk about "tons" of logs whereas the metric for logs is "m3". Steps H and I do not let me do anything with any track-building tool.


In chapter 4 i found a goat at the oil rig. It seems to enjoy swimming. Not sure if this is a problem about the tutorial or not, though.



Step G asks for a shipyard but does not "un-hide" the shipyard icon. (it remains disabled - at least it looks disabled)


Chapter 5 remains stuck at step D as it is unable to count the 15 convoys required - even after clicking on "go to next step". My bad, I put a fork in the road and that disturbed the Tutorial...

But then it died once I connected all three factories to the power grid:



The Tutorial can still work afterwards, but it looks a bit drunk... For the post trucks, "It advances to the next chapter when the ship starts from the shipyard" despite no ship having been constructed.


Chapter 7, step A: can not make stop public as the "Walls, powerlines and more" toolbar is disabled. The scenario also counts the amount of passengers "Translated this month: 0/20".


(Sorry for being annoying... I know I can be picky sometimes )

[Andarix]

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The tutorial also doesn't let me build a station (chapter 3):




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Is a general problem in all tutorials.

I think the recent changes to the Simutrans code are responsible for this.
I think the problem is the different owners of the track and marker.

[Yona-TYT]

That was a last minute change in Simutrans, that's why I couldn't fix it in time I'm afraid.😔


My idea was to use text labels without owners, but at the moment they can't be placed on another player's rails, I'll wait a bit.

[Andarix]

fix for tutorial multipak

https://github.com/simutrans/tutorial_multipak/commit/c11fb4bbc7d71279d90a5322a037c0216842fcb5

and pak192.comic

https://github.com/simutrans/tutorial_pak192.comic/pull/1/commits/b0dbc7cb13237e38d7cc9cc50f3899759a5a8b2d