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Re: Lorries
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2009, 10:19:09 AM »
On to part 2 - here's the Austin Seven Van in post, piece, and cooled goods variants.

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2009, 03:30:04 PM »
Lovely!

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2009, 04:20:18 PM »
Here are some translations for the lorries so far released:

Code: [Select]
LightRoadLocomotive
Road Locomotive
HeavyRoadLocomotive
Heavyweight Road Locomotive
ThornycroftWagonLivestock
Thornycroft Livestock Wagon
SentinelStandardLivestock
Sentinel Standard (Livestock)
FodenCompoundLivestock
Foden Compound (Livestock)
SentinelDGLivestock
Sentinel DG (Livestock)
SentinelSLivestock
Sentinel S (Livestock)
LivestockDrover
Livestock Drover
ThornycroftSteamVanPiece
Thornycroft Steam Van (Goods)
ThornycroftWagonPiece
Thornycroft Goods Wagon
SentinelStandardPiece
Sentinel Standard (Goods)
FodenCompoundPiece
Foden Compound (Goods)
SentinelDGPiece
Sentinel DG (Goods)
SentinelSPiece
Sentinel S (Goods)
ThornycroftWagonBulk
Thornycroft Steam Wagon (Bulk)
SentinelStandardBulk
Sentinel Standard (Bulk)
FodenCompoundBulk
Foden Compound (Bulk)
SentinelSBulk
Sentinel S (Bulk)
SentinelDGBulk
Sentinel DG (Bulk)
YorkshireSteamTank
Yorkshire Steam Tank
ThornycroftSteamVanCool
Thornycroft Steam Van (Foods)
ThornycroftWagonCool
Thornycroft Wagon (foods)
ThornycroftWagonLong
Thornycroft Wagon (Long Goods)
SentinelStandardCool
Sentinel Standard (Foods)
FodenCompoundCool
Foden Compound (Foods)
SentinelSCool
Sentinel S (Foods)
SentinelDGCool
Sentinel DG (Foods)
ThornycroftSteamVanLong
Thornycroft Steam Van (Long Goods)
SentinelStandardLong
Sentinel Standard (Long Goods)
FodenCompoundLong
Foden Compound (Long Goods)
SentinelSLong
Sentinel S (Long Goods)
SentinelDGLong
Sentinel DG (Long Goods)
EagleTrailerLivestock
Eagle Trailer (Livestock)
CartPiece
Cart (Goods)
WagonPiece
Wagon (Goods)
StageWagonPiece
Stage Wagon (Goods)
EagleTrailerPiece
Eagle Trailer (Goods)
CartBulk
Cart (Bulk)
WagonPiece
Wagon (Goods)
WagonBulk
Wagon (Bulk)
StageWagonBulk
Stage Wagon (Bulk)
EagleTrailerBulk
Eagle Trailer (Bulk)
CartCool
Cart (Foods)
WagonCool
Wagon (Foods)
StageWagonCool
Stage Wagon (Foods)
EagleTrailerCool
Eagle Trailer (Foods)
EagleTrailerFluid
Eagle Tanker
CartLong
Cart (Long Goods)
WagonLong
Wagon (Long Goods)
EagleTrailerLong
Eagle Trailer (Long Goods)
MailBike
Postal Bicycle
CartMail
Mail Cart
ThornycroftSteamVanMail
Thornycroft Steam Van (Mail)
StageWagonMail
Stage Wagon (mail)
MailCoach
Mail Coach

Also, I have noticed that the "Eagle Tanker" is set incorrectly such that it carries food rather than fluids.

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2009, 04:47:00 PM »
There should be translations already in r177.  Thanks for spotting the eagle tanker bug.

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2009, 09:07:07 PM »
Some more early diesel vans:

McNamara van (the small red one)
Maudslay van (the larger ones, 4 variants)

@jamespetts, if you have time it might be good to start getting part 3 dats ready...

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2009, 09:23:53 PM »
And some more trucks/vans...

The top road is the Morris Eight, the middle one is Thornycroft Amazons and the bottom one is Thornycroft rigid BTs (I decided against doing articulated BTs as they apparently were only in production for one year and have a limited capacity which is covered pretty well by other vehicles already).

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2009, 09:35:31 PM »
I've added these and all the rest of the part 2 lorries to SVN just now, but unfortunately I don't have time to do a screenshot of the Q, QC, or Stag.  Maybe someone else could, as I doubt I'll have time for another week?

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2009, 09:42:39 PM »
Sorry that I haven't done any more recently - I have been busy of late. I'll do some when I get a chance :-)

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2009, 08:20:06 PM »
Time for some more - this time the Leyland Comet rigid 4-wheeler and the Morris Minor Van, both from the late 1940s.

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2009, 08:26:55 PM »
Lovely!

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2009, 03:26:21 PM »
Here's a collection of Scammell trucks.

The top row is the "mechanical horse" series, including the 1934 original mechanical horse, the 1947 Scarab and 1967 Townsman.  These were small articulated trucks for urban use.

Next down is a series introduced in the 1950s - the Highwayman and Handyman artics and the Routeman rigid 8-wheeler.

The bottom row has threetwo examples of the Crusader, from 1969

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2009, 03:27:45 PM »
Very nice indeed! (Except, the bottom row has only two lorries, not three as the message suggested...)

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2009, 01:34:56 PM »
Here's three more, this time a series of 4 wheel rigid light trucks:
- Morris FG (1960) in green and postal livery
- Leyland G series (1975) in blue and postal livery
- Leyland Roadrunner (1984) in orange/white and postal livery

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2009, 03:44:57 PM »
Looking very lovely! Well done!

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2009, 03:50:49 PM »
A couple of very similar car-based vans (anyone want to play sot the difference?) :p

- Morris Marina (1973)
- Austin Maestro (1984)

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2009, 04:31:57 PM »
The colour...?

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2009, 04:37:00 PM »
Clue: there are three of each (cool. piece, mail)...

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2009, 04:46:38 PM »
- Morris Marina (1973)
- Austin Maestro (1984)

Where have I heard these names last time (or actually ever)...? Somehow I have the voice of James May or Jeremy Clarkson in my ear right now...  ;D

Anyway, without cheating (= zooming into the picture) I cannot spot enough details to see a difference - apart from color (any mabye a different logo on the sides?)

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2009, 05:01:17 PM »
Feedback: Around 1930/1940s it seems nearly impossible for lorries to make a profit transporting goods.  (100% full, return empty.)  Part of this challenge may be that different goods have different revenues.  I've tried hauling books, textiles and china in the available lorries, and in the end had to build rail lines to haul goods to the department stores instead.

I'm mostly looking at short-haul deliveries from a station in or near town, or the next town over, to a downtown area.

I recently started hauling meat in the chilled goods trucks from well outside town to the far side of town.  I was scared this would lose money but this route is profitable.

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2009, 08:47:29 PM »
Yeah there are very subtle differences in colour / logo / shape, but the two vans look pretty similar on that scale unfortunately.

@dannyman - thanks for the feedback.  Is it particularly piece goods that are unprofitable?  The base price for all piece goods is identical (or at least should be), but speed bonus falls into a low and high category (all those three you mention are low speedbonus).  As you've probably realised by now, there are quite a few balancing issues to sort out.

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2009, 09:53:24 PM »
The Hood,

I haven't tried much beyond the goods and cold goods.  Cold goods fine.  The books were a slight loss.  IMHO, it shouldn't be hard to break even without the speed bonus.

Buses too have been harder to turn a profit than I am used to.  I did a lot of experimentation, even to having 100% load stops, and short runs on twisty streets might still lose money.  In the end I decided to worry less and make buses wait at certain stops for 1%-20% load (to reduce bunching) with the theory that if passengers circulate in-town effectively they'll keep the railways fed.  When I let the bus lines run more at a loss, overall profits were fine.

I built a tram network in one city and that thing makes money hand-over-fist.  Well, operations-wise.  The per-mile cost drops substantially and the maintenance costs go up.  Is there a report somewhere that breaks out maintenance costs by, say, track types, signals, stations?

Here's the latest save file . . . my current project is auditing station coverage in the towns to improve coverage and bus service.

(I may have to grab your latest ships and see about floating sheep to the slaughterhouse. ;)

NOTE: Save file is too big to post to forum, so I posted it here:
http://dannyman.toldme.com/scratch/Caernarvon.sve

Cheers,
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Re: Lorries
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2009, 10:17:47 PM »
The Hood,

had we better experiment with increasing all the cargo rates by, say, 50% to deal with these issues? The trams are profitable in Standard because of the speed-bonus, I think.

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2009, 07:55:37 AM »
James, as you say, one thing to try would be to have a blanket increase in goods payment rates.  Danny, if you have time, would you mind experimenting with this (as I know you are familiar with makeobj).  If you take the sources for the goods of SVN, you can increase the revenue for each by however much you want, and try again.  It would be interesting to see what you think represents a good balance (and it would be a fairer test if done on the same save/setup)...

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2009, 01:25:00 PM »
James, as you say, one thing to try would be to have a blanket increase in goods payment rates.  Danny, if you have time, would you mind experimenting with this (as I know you are familiar with makeobj).  If you take the sources for the goods of SVN, you can increase the revenue for each by however much you want, and try again.  It would be interesting to see what you think represents a good balance (and it would be a fairer test if done on the same save/setup)...

The Hood: I've run makeobj, I guess the next step is fiddling under the hood.  (*cough*)  I'll try when I can, though this week is gonna be busy.

Offhand, I'd say my game is workable but would probably work better if goods trucks cost 10% less to operate.  I'll try to test this soon.

What would be really nice if there isn't one already is a configuration knob to allow players to adjust global revenues.  Call it "difficulty" :)

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2009, 09:14:41 PM »
Danny, I think it would be useful to see your saves if possible, just to get a flavour of what is going on with the balancing.  Thanks for offering to test some different things though.

Back on topic, here are some more light commercial vehicles (top-bottom):
- Morris J4 (1960)
- Leyland Sherpa (1976)
- Leyland DAF 200 (1989)
- Morris LD (1952)
- Austin Morris EA (1968)

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2009, 09:36:09 PM »
*Drool*

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2009, 09:49:30 PM »
The Hood:

There's a save file at:

http://dannyman.toldme.com/scratch/Caernarvon.sve

Only one truck line, though, for cold goods.

I might be able to find an older save from back when I had a goods run for books.

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2009, 05:38:30 PM »
danny, for some reason I can't get at that save from the link - it just gives me a webpage full of random characters...

Anyway, here are some more trucks:
- Leyland T45 Roadtrain (articulated truck available in every goods type from 1978)
- Leyland T45 Constructor (rigid 8-wheeler for bulk, long and fluid goods from 1978)

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2009, 05:46:42 PM »
Right-click, save link **** . . .?

Keep up the great work!

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2009, 10:23:30 PM »
I love those!

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2009, 12:45:56 PM »
The latest additions are 4 Leyland DAF trucks of the late 80s and 90s:

- Leyland DAF 65 (4 wheel rigid)
- Leyland DAF 85 (8 wheel rigid)
- Leyland DAF 85 (Standard sized artic)
- Leyland DAF 95 (Large artic)

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2009, 12:48:18 PM »
Very nice!

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2009, 09:13:11 PM »
And some more... These are the DAF range from the present day, which are essentially upgrades of the design of the ones in the previous post as far as I can tell, hence they look similar.

- DAF LF (4 wheel rigid)
- DAF CF (8 wheel rigid)
- DAF CF (Standard sized artic)
- DAF XF (Larger artic)

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2009, 09:15:17 PM »
You do like your DAF! Looking lovely...

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Re: Lorries
« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2009, 08:33:50 PM »
Here's the final instalment (unless anyone points out any glaring omissions), this time some Ford vans which bring us up to the modern day:

-Ford Transit (1986, represents the Mk3 onwards)
-Ford Escort Van (1986)
-Ford Transit Connect (2002)

Sources are going up on SVN as I type, but please note (a) they aren't balanced and (b) they are missing translations.