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Offline LeifInge

June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« on: June 03, 2009, 05:40:42 PM »
After some weeks of storytelling in the BBBR thread, I realize that there is many different ways and strategies when you play Simutrans. I think it would be interesting to see how different people play, I therefore give you "the Rogaland Challenge" (Named after my home region in Norway. I even changed the townnames)

The Idea is to play this map for 15 years, and then see what you've done during the game. There is of course many ways to meassure how "well" you've done, but net worth and population should be good indicators :)

Here is the save game: http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland.sve

A few rules:
- Use only your own company, no public company etc.
- Try to only build realistic (no stations that cover large cites alone, or stops that is used to increase profit wtihout any other point of beeing there)
- Don't buy things that is obsolete
- When 1945 starts, save your game, net worth and total population and post it on the forum - some screenshots and/or description about what you've done would be great, but is not required.
- Challenge ends 11 July 2009

I hope many of you want to join this challenge :) Would be great!
« Last Edit: July 11, 2009, 10:37:19 AM by Severous »

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2009, 06:25:23 PM »
one doubt: what pakset is that challenge for? pak128, pak64, pak96?

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 06:28:12 PM »
one doubt: what pakset is that challenge for? pak128, pak64, pak96?

Ah, sorry, PAK 128, 102.0

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 08:55:08 PM »
Excellent idea.
I sign up to the challenge  jojojo ;)

Offline Asterix909

Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2009, 01:42:46 PM »
I will try to participate.
I say try for two reasons:
1) I just bought a house, so my computer time is limited
2) I am still new to the game and may accidentally blow up the region before 1945 comes around

Offline Rohal

Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2009, 08:02:38 PM »
I also sign up for the challenge. I´ve already downloaded the map and started it.
All cities are connected by end of january 1930. Company is profitable.
Population at start January 1930 8615.
Population raised to 9866 (+1251) by the beginning of 1931

Greets

Rohal

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2009, 08:14:27 PM »
Use only your own company, no public company etc.

You could disallow changing player. So nobody could "get help" from other companys.
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Offline Optimix

Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2009, 11:18:04 PM »
Hello LeifInge,
I like challenges, so of course I participate in this.

I have a few questions.
Can you tell me about "net-worth"?
I never watch that, only the proceeds, and the operational profit.
How is it calculated? I see it falling down, and every change of
the day it's going up.

Can you give me examples of "buying obsolete things"?

Is it allowed to build new cities?
Is it allowed to build circle-lines?
(trains are running only in one direction A-B-C-D-A and not A-B-C-D-C-B-A)
Is it allowed to disturb the game of the opponents, by
building usuless rails, so that they cannot reach factories,
with loading platforms?

Where can I find "total population"?
Or do we have to calculate the number of citizens of all cities?

I hope I dont bore you with these questions. I think a
challenge gives more fun, if the rules are clear.
Thanks for your comment. I can't wait to start .....:-)

Offline hApo

Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2009, 07:35:35 AM »
One question:
Is the goal to have the biggest profit?
Bescause I usually transport only the goods for 20 years...
I want to sign up and I think that in 1945 I could have a 500 000 profit, but without start carrying passangers.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2009, 08:59:16 AM by hApo »

Offline LeifInge

Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2009, 08:54:02 AM »
Optimix:
-net worth is a calculation which tells how much your company is worth,
- obsolete things is all vehicle which has an end date before that date you buy it, to be able to buy these you have to enable it in the buy vehicle window...
- Circle line, yea, sure - if noone else disagree, then its okey for me
- if you manage to get 5000000 the feel free to build a new city, but it will lower your net worth.
- there is no opponents
- total population is displayed at the top in the city list (You find that under lists)

hApo: The goal is to have fun and learn from other players, so feel free to transport goods :) I said that net worth and total population could be two good indicators on how good people have done. Profit is easier to maxout for a short period...



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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2009, 07:28:46 PM »
Hey there LeifInge, thanks very much for your explanation!!

I think it was a strange question, if it was allowed to
buy new cities. I was trying out your scenario, and I wil
NEVER be able to buy a new city.... ;D

This is a really good challenge. Its all very hard to get some
money to build. Untill now I can manage that cars and
trains are profitable, but with the monthly costs, it seems
I will never lose my loan. Tell me if it is allowed that there
are stil messages in 1945 "you are 150 months in loan"

The way of debts in this version is new for me. In the old
version it was 3 months. Here it is someting more
complicated. I found out myself, that as long as you make
profit, the program allows that you have debts. And as longer
you play, the more loan is allowed. But I cant find the exact
numbers of it. Can you tell me if I can find that in the help-
function, or in a doc-file anywhere?

I did 2 try's now on your scenario. One with a lot of train-
industry (all profitable, but I cant get away the loan) and
a try with only busses. There is the same problem with the
few income, and its very hard to get a little bit structure in
it. Its an enormous mess, with 700 busses, 90% profitable,
march 1938, net worth 800.000, negative account balance
of 1.6 million, 30.000 profit each month, and a population
of 20.000. The population growth is the only thing that is
going fine  ;D

I keep trying!

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2009, 08:00:51 PM »
In recent versions of Simutrans, you will only become bankrupt if your net worth is below zero at the end of the month. The net worth is the sum of all assets minus the sum of all liabilities.
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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2009, 10:33:06 PM »
Thanks very much for this information jamespetts!

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2009, 01:44:35 PM »
Your map's so hard, I will never reach a 500 000 profit a year...
My record was 150 000, but I was having a big loan. When I tried to expand and start tranporting passengers I finally bancrupted...

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 02:48:08 PM »
Trying again:
year 1932
- $ - 1 400 000
- profit 160 000/year
- connected 10 factories by 14 trains

year 1933
- only little trackupgrades
- $ - 1 200 000
- profit 230 000 (!)

year 1934
- $ - 1 050 000
- profit only 180 000
- The Goods factory overflowed by plastics (but only a temporary problem)

year 1935 (January)
- $ - 880 000
- profit 176 000
- something's wrong with the margin, it's only 0,5
« Last Edit: June 09, 2009, 03:11:35 PM by hApo »

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2009, 03:10:15 PM »
You have 15 years of gameplay so, make a plan of possible actions long-term and carefully. Be cautious at the beggining, until you get enough money to build bigger transport networks and overall do not be discouraged...it's a challange, so the savegame must have some difficulties and challanges for the player. Learn and enjoy..that's the basic

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2009, 03:42:32 PM »

Offline Rohal

Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2009, 07:18:23 PM »
Challenged Completed.
It´s now 01.1945 so I´ve completed the 15 years.

The populatons rose to 26953 people. This means that there was a groth of 18000 people.

Networth is 2.963.082,86 Credits.

File can be downloaded here: http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/Rogaland%20B%201945.sve
I really enjoyed this game and I will continue playing it to obtimise every thing.
Thanks for this nice map LeifInge. I really would like to play some others
If somebody is interested I have got savegames from nearly every year till 1930
The company was profitable from the first year on.

Greets

Rohal
« Last Edit: June 09, 2009, 07:44:00 PM by Rohal »

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2009, 07:43:45 PM »
Glad to hear that you enjoyed it Rohal, would be interesting to hear what you did in the start and how you expanded you company!

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2009, 07:55:16 PM »
I started with building the complete passenger network in January 1930. I used nearly the complete 500K starting capital to get it going.
Here you can see the map from November 1930

As you can see every city is connected and also most of the industries and attractions.
And here the finace window.

The next 12 years only saw adjustments and renewel of the passenger network.
My company was profitable all the time.
I have to say that I haven´t transported any mail, because I normally start mail transport when the combined Mail and Passanger Busstop is available.

Greets

Rohal

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2009, 08:01:28 PM »
when did you start goods transport?

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2009, 08:08:01 PM »
I started garbage transport at the end of 1942.
In 1943 I began to connect the rest of the industries with each other, this took till middle of 1944.
At the end of 1944 I took the rest of my money to connect the wood plantation and the Goods factory to the power network.
All the years before were mainly saving money and developing the growing passanger network. Because it was my target to have as few overcrowded stations as possible
At the beginning of the game I just connected the factories to my passanger network to get more transport.

Greets

Rohal

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2009, 11:06:29 PM »
I think the connection between the different cities to create a single line is the best way to get both the game and making it clear that it is by road

Offline Optimix

Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2009, 11:22:59 PM »
Hey there all, very nice you are working hard with this
challenge! I dont sleep anymore :-)

I think it is almost impossible to do both things.
Making money AND population grow.

I am now in september 1941, and my population is
20671. The net health is 200.000 and is falling down
every month. I hope I will reach the 1945 without
bankrupts. And sure I have to reach the 26953
population of Rohal!! :-)

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2009, 05:38:04 PM »
Hi Optimix,

maybe you can upload a savegame. I would like to have a look at how you designed your network.

Greets

Rohal

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2009, 08:13:08 PM »
Hey there Rohal, tell me how to upload my network.
Sure you may watch it......

I think I have beat you.......I have 29733
Not a nice network, all trains profitable, but some
busses not. (they only help to generate traffic)

I lost a lot of money, during the last 2 years of the
game, to make it more realistic. That means that passengers
can choose short ways, to travel. So I built extra train-
lines.
I dont have much money, but my net-health is just positive.
Here are the screens. The pic of the map I include, because
its fun to watch how Byrne and Stanvenger are completely
grown together. (that was my goal, and finally I succeeded)







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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2009, 10:00:58 PM »
Hi Optimix,

you can upload your savegames to http://files.simutrans-germany.com
You can use your Forum Nick and password to sign in there
Greets

Rohal

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2009, 02:41:51 AM »

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2009, 05:52:53 PM »
You have large cities, but I ask:
Isn't it better to have more populated cities covered by less number of stops?
The buses will be more profitable and you will pay less maintenance.

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2009, 08:28:25 PM »
Hello hApo,
I think you are right. Sometimes I am in a hurry, to make
profit, and then I forget to keep a good eye, how far one
bus stop reaches. 2 bus stops close together, is useless.

At the other hand: I do not know exactly what the effect
is of such bus stops, for the arriving. If we forget the
departs there it could be possible, that other stops generate
more passengers because there are more destinations.

I will test this. My english is not so good, but I hope
you will understand what I mean.
Thanks for your comment!


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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2009, 10:50:39 AM »
Less destinations? Maybe... But if the stop cover more buildings and every building generate 60 people, the effect will be, I think, opposite.

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2009, 09:07:50 PM »
hApo, you are right.
I did a test, and the effect is just opposite.
For me one reason more, to build stops more carefully
in the future, because it seems it is profitable for
several reasons.
Thanks very much for this useful hint!

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2009, 12:37:27 AM »
Here's what you had written before, the development of this map is carried across the road transport between cities, the first picture shows the 1930 in December, while the second image shows the 1931 in April.

the gains and recoveries of the investment, in view of all.

1rs image:


2nd image:


The monthly discount is less than the gain recovery is therefore a matter of time and smooth ;)

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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2009, 01:19:56 AM »
Hi,
I will also try to participate, but I'm not sure if I can finish because:
1) My time is limited (can't spend too much time on Simutrans =P)
2) I've never played a 15-year game before (the longest I've played lasted for 12 years)
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Re: June Challenge - The Rogaland Challenge!
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2009, 02:29:41 PM »
I'll sign up too,but I'm not sure if I will get so far with my trams,stations get overcrowded.But I'll try

EDIT:Interconnected all with airplanes,much intercity rails and in-city trolleybus lines.connected the northern to the soutern cluster.
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