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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #980 on: July 03, 2020, 09:36:33 AM »
These are around 11-13 pixels from ground to the base of the roof.

Good idea - I'm very happy for you to take and adapt these as required, as I know they might not all fit your style. Also I'm not as diligent on the rotations - I don't bother changing the light and shade. I know some people find that a big deal.

I'll upload the sources when I've ticked off a few more and made a few edits.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #981 on: July 03, 2020, 10:05:09 AM »
I'll scale them, fit them up with colours and neaten them up and release them as part of the pak with your copyright on there - that'll save me so much work because half the problem is trying to imagine a new building and then actually implementing it!


I rather hit a rut with the city buildings so this extra set of eyes and imagination is most welcome. Thank you!


Rotations and colours are the easy bit for me, I've gotten a lot smoother at chucking those extra bits out so you've really done the hard bit for me by coming up with new building types.





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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #982 on: July 03, 2020, 10:57:52 AM »
That sounds like an ideal division of labour then! :)

I've been getting my inspiration from looking at Google Satellite's 3D view in British cities where it's available...


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[Video: Edinburgh to Inverness] Great Britain in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #983 on: July 11, 2020, 09:16:13 AM »
A new video today: our first in several years to visit Scotland! We travel 175 miles from Edinburgh to Inverness, traversing the Highlands and climbing as far as 450m above sea level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXrbr3ClO24



The journey follows one of Scotrail's recently-acquired HST trains. It features several different types of climate and terrain as we travel through the Cairngorms National Park.

Here are a few more screenshots - and, of course, a map!









Next week I'll post a savegame update with another big chunk of the map updated.

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[Map update: Liverpool/N Wales] Great Britain in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #984 on: July 18, 2020, 08:22:27 AM »
A new savegame update today! Areas of the map updated this time are Liverpool & Merseyside, North Wales, and a few bits of Scotland as seen on the Inverness video.

Download the savegame at the following link. As ever you will need a legacy Simutrans Experimental exe to run this.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2wx1afvh9ioayib/UK-Jul2020.rar?dl=0

Here are the sources for the new city buildings.



Rebuilding the Merseyside area involved placing around 11,000 buildings. Several rail lines have also had their alignments fixed. I've also updated the Class 507 Merseyrail train graphics.



Wales has now been completed. This update covers the North Wales coast, Anglesey, Denbighshire, Gwynedd, and other bits left over from previous updates.

As well as the map changes, this update also includes several of the redrawn city houses/buildings as shown a couple of weeks ago. They brighten up cities quite a lot!







List of towns/areas updated: Flint, Rhyl, Colwyn Bay, Llandudno, Dolgellau, Barmouth, Caenarfon, Bangor, Anglesey / Liverpool, Birkenhead, Wirral, Merseyside / Dunfermline, Glenrothes, Kirkcaldy, Perth, Inverness

Bus routes:
Chester-Crewe,Mold,Wrexham,Runcorn,West Kirby
Flint-Mold
Wrexham-Rhyl
Chester-Holywell
Rhyl-Llandudno
Wrexham-Barmouth
Bangor-Aberystwyth
Pwllheli-Nefyn,Aberdaron
Liverpool local
Liverpool-Kirkby
Birkenhead-West Kirby,Wallasey

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #985 on: July 18, 2020, 06:05:07 PM »
Just so you're aware, the download for the latest save seems to supply the pakset for the Balkan map instead of the British map.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #986 on: July 18, 2020, 08:18:20 PM »
Oops - thanks for spotting. Fixed now.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #987 on: July 24, 2020, 06:23:33 PM »
Lovely stuff!

Once I've drawn the remainder of the attractions I want to do (these multi-tile buildings are slow to make!) I'll get on to looking at the sources. The screenshots look wonderful!

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #988 on: July 25, 2020, 04:04:07 AM »
Newcomer here, and maybe more praises won't be of any help but its just marvelous! As one who attempted something kinda similar, i know how much time, work and dedication it needs to do something of such a scale. Well the good thing about this game is the size of the map so this kind of approach, in such a scale is certainly doable. The one i did in another game was about the british railway network as a whole, at its peak, which is before Dr. Beeching came and axe everything. The limitations of the map in terms of size meant that i eventually had to deviate from accuracy so i couldn't implement every route and the alignments and orientations of the lines and stations were also not historical. It would be great though if such a thing is possible here. Not that i'm asking for one, so please don't mind me.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #989 on: July 25, 2020, 10:46:32 AM »
Newcomer here, and maybe more praises won't be of any help but its just marvelous! As one who attempted something kinda similar, i know how much time, work and dedication it needs to do something of such a scale. Well the good thing about this game is the size of the map so this kind of approach, in such a scale is certainly doable. The one i did in another game was about the british railway network as a whole, at its peak, which is before Dr. Beeching came and axe everything. The limitations of the map in terms of size meant that i eventually had to deviate from accuracy so i couldn't implement every route and the alignments and orientations of the lines and stations were also not historical. It would be great though if such a thing is possible here. Not that i'm asking for one, so please don't mind me.
It certainly would be - Carl's heighmap covers all area reached historically by the UK network although for several months now I've been working on a heightmap that would take in the whole of Britain and Ireland (well actually also a fair chunk of France) to allow simulation of cross channel and Irish Sea Ferries (provides a reason for Holyhead, Fishguard, Stranraer and the numerous Channel Ports to have better services). I'd envisage the early 30's as the ideal time to do such a game - A3s and A4s cruising up and down the East Coast, EMUs starting to spread across the Southern Railway, Newcastle and Liverpool. It would take a long time to get every branch line in place, and also timetables of that era aren't exactly easy to read (you can obtain them with a bit of searching). Prototype operation with slip coaches, significant freight workings which probably don't have records kept and lots of shunting at termini stations would be some difficulties I could see....

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #990 on: July 26, 2020, 03:09:38 PM »
Thanks for the kind words TheAmir529!

A historical version would be incredible. As well as timetables, I suspect it may be hard to come by info about track layouts in different areas? Or maybe that's also documented somewhere.

I also have an updated heightmap in the works, though probably only covering Great Britain and a slice of Ireland, rather than the whole of Ireland.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #991 on: August 03, 2020, 01:34:20 PM »
I've finally gotten around to looking at those city buildings in detail, they're very high quality and once converted for scale and style will be much valued additions to the pakset. Thank you for the sources Carl.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #992 on: August 09, 2020, 02:28:10 PM »
Newcomer here, and maybe more praises won't be of any help but its just marvelous! As one who attempted something kinda similar, i know how much time, work and dedication it needs to do something of such a scale. Well the good thing about this game is the size of the map so this kind of approach, in such a scale is certainly doable. The one i did in another game was about the british railway network as a whole, at its peak, which is before Dr. Beeching came and axe everything. The limitations of the map in terms of size meant that i eventually had to deviate from accuracy so i couldn't implement every route and the alignments and orientations of the lines and stations were also not historical. It would be great though if such a thing is possible here. Not that i'm asking for one, so please don't mind me.

Thanks for the kind words TheAmir529!

A historical version would be incredible. As well as timetables, I suspect it may be hard to come by info about track layouts in different areas? Or maybe that's also documented somewhere.

I also have an updated heightmap in the works, though probably only covering Great Britain and a slice of Ireland, rather than the whole of Ireland.

I've always wanted to do something similar to this as well, but during the turn of the century so a few years after privatisation, when we'd have the likes of Arriva Trains Northern, First North Western, Central Trains, GNER, Midland Mainline, Virgin Trains, Wales And West, etc. operating on British railways. A sort of nostalgia thing, but I wouldn't know where to begin with making paksets.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #993 on: August 15, 2020, 07:32:40 AM »
I am currently doing exactly this - making a Pak set. I want to give Carl's expansive train collection a proper game environment.


Start with what interests you, paint a few trains? Lots of the trains in the time period you want to do are still in service - 313, 319, HST, Pacers etc.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #994 on: August 17, 2020, 03:36:01 PM »
I am currently doing exactly this - making a Pak set. I want to give Carl's expansive train collection a proper game environment.


Start with what interests you, paint a few trains? Lots of the trains in the time period you want to do are still in service - 313, 319, HST, Pacers etc.

What sort of liveries are you making?

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #995 on: August 18, 2020, 12:58:15 PM »
I've finally gotten around to looking at those city buildings in detail, they're very high quality and once converted for scale and style will be much valued additions to the pakset. Thank you for the sources Carl.
Bit late on this as I've been away, but just to say - glad to hear they work for your project!

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #996 on: August 19, 2020, 02:07:09 PM »
@mspljd1990
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I'm not right now, I'm doing the buildings and everything else, then fixing day files for the existing trains before I eventually add historic trains - that's work in the order of years. If you were to draw trains to fit a different era, I'd be happy to help out with some guidance. I'd also love to use any historic trains you paint!


@carl, I was doing the first village hall the other day and wanted a sloped pointed roof, your pngs helped massively!

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #997 on: August 22, 2020, 11:53:14 AM »
@mspljd1990
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I'm not right now, I'm doing the buildings and everything else, then fixing day files for the existing trains before I eventually add historic trains - that's work in the order of years. If you were to draw trains to fit a different era, I'd be happy to help out with some guidance. I'd also love to use any historic trains you paint!


@carl, I was doing the first village hall the other day and wanted a sloped pointed roof, your pngs helped massively!

I'm not really sure where to begin to be honest! I intend to just edit the liveries of trains that I already have.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #998 on: August 28, 2020, 07:04:24 PM »
Download GIMP if you haven't and learn to use it if you don't know. It's quite easy to pick up.


For livery editing I suggest starting with a PEP unit - 317/315/313. They're diverse and you could do a BR and NSE livery.


Lets say you do BR. Identify a colour palette for sunlight facing parts - BR Blue and BR White, and put these in a separate image so you can keep your colours consistent between units.


Then identify what colour changes on your existing unit on the livery are the actual livery and what are shading which give it shape. By this I mean sometimes on a unit you will see what appear to be darker parts towards the bottom or top of a unit. These give it definition. So lets pick the blue. We have our main blue shade already. If the colour darkens, darken the BR blue and fill in as you go using the existing shading to guide you. Don't get caught up in major changes in colours, just identify where the shades change.


Repeate for the train views which face away from the sun, darkening your base BR blue.


It's a lot of trial and error. I've been painting for years on and off, and its only recently I've been particularly happy that my work looks 'polished'.


Rip open the dat files, zoom right in, start painting and don't forget to zoom out every once in a while - sometimes you'll be obsessing over a pixel, wishing you had an extra one to fit in and actually either way it wouldn't matter!