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Offline Carl

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #910 on: August 07, 2019, 08:47:18 PM »
Thanks for looking into it further. I also had just spotted that one with the Liverpool train! That route had been given too little time to get from Coventry to Birmingham, so the timing point was vulnerable. It now has 5 minutes leeway at Birmingham which seems to be sufficient.

The Euston - Crewe via Birmingham was causing similar issues and has also had a timing point removed to help with this.

I've been investigating Manchester too. While I didn't see any blockages, I've fixed a few little niggles that could possibly have caused them in the future - tweaking a few timings that looked marginal. Let me know if you can pin down any trouble-makers in that area. It's made a bit more difficult by the fact that I can't access the 2014 Northern timetables anymore...the rework in this area can't come soon enough.

Here's an updated savegame - it runs for a while with no issues. No doubt further problems will arise but hopefully they'll take a little longer to appear now!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sf1pd5jdwugq3vg/UK-aug-19.rar?dl=0

Edit: fixed another silly issue at Reading.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #911 on: August 07, 2019, 11:32:37 PM »
Thanks for looking into it further. I also had just spotted that one with the Liverpool train! That route had been given too little time to get from Coventry to Birmingham, so the timing point was vulnerable. It now has 5 minutes leeway at Birmingham which seems to be sufficient.

The Euston - Crewe via Birmingham was causing similar issues and has also had a timing point removed to help with this.

I've been investigating Manchester too. While I didn't see any blockages, I've fixed a few little niggles that could possibly have caused them in the future - tweaking a few timings that looked marginal. Let me know if you can pin down any trouble-makers in that area. It's made a bit more difficult by the fact that I can't access the 2014 Northern timetables anymore...the rework in this area can't come soon enough.

Here's an updated savegame - it runs for a while with no issues. No doubt further problems will arise but hopefully they'll take a little longer to appear now!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sf1pd5jdwugq3vg/UK-aug-19.rar?dl=0

Edit: fixed another silly issue at Reading.

What’s the next area to be done?

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #912 on: August 08, 2019, 07:43:07 AM »
Thanks for looking into it further. I also had just spotted that one with the Liverpool train! That route had been given too little time to get from Coventry to Birmingham, so the timing point was vulnerable. It now has 5 minutes leeway at Birmingham which seems to be sufficient.

The Euston - Crewe via Birmingham was causing similar issues and has also had a timing point removed to help with this.

I've been investigating Manchester too. While I didn't see any blockages, I've fixed a few little niggles that could possibly have caused them in the future - tweaking a few timings that looked marginal. Let me know if you can pin down any trouble-makers in that area. It's made a bit more difficult by the fact that I can't access the 2014 Northern timetables anymore...the rework in this area can't come soon enough.

Here's an updated savegame - it runs for a while with no issues. No doubt further problems will arise but hopefully they'll take a little longer to appear now!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sf1pd5jdwugq3vg/UK-aug-19.rar?dl=0

Edit: fixed another silly issue at Reading.
There is actually a 2014 Network Rail Working Timetable here if you need it (scroll to the bottom for it), although I doubt you'll need it for much longer.  :P

Agreed about the rework! ;)

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #913 on: August 08, 2019, 09:09:45 AM »
Fantastic! I knew there was a timetable archive hiding somewhere on the internet but couldn't remember where. Thanks.

What’s the next area to be done?

Once West Midlands buses are complete, the current plan is to do South Wales next. Then I'll gradually fill in northwards in England: the remainder of Northants, then Leicestershire, then Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Staffordshire & Shropshire (in some order).

Despite what I said above, I plan to hold off a bit before revising Northern-land because they seem to be in a transitional phase with both timetables and rolling stock. Once the December 2019 timetable has passed I think it'll be safe to update that area. Similarly, the GWR rolling stock and timetable situation will now wait until after the December 2019 recast to be updated.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #914 on: August 08, 2019, 12:29:17 PM »
I've also noticed that the slow lines between York and Thirsk have 2 unconnected pieces of track halfway between the two. Was this intentional?

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #915 on: August 08, 2019, 02:38:53 PM »
Yes - although it was so long ago that the exact reason escapes me. Presumably to stop something from using the slow lines when it should be using the fast lines - although that's not usually a problem.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #916 on: August 08, 2019, 07:34:06 PM »
The flowing silk 390 Pendolinos don’t show up in the depot - any reason why that could be?

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #917 on: August 09, 2019, 09:00:45 AM »
It would need to be an electrified depot with the year 1996 or later (I know that's not the real intro date but it's what's in the dat file). It shows up next to the original 390 on my depot window.

If not then check that BR-390-new.pak is in your pak folder.


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[QUESTION] Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #918 on: August 09, 2019, 01:38:55 PM »
Again I have forgotten that this isn't my project. But then again, I'm giving people hope for a eventual update.



In the picture above, you can see that at Barnshore Junction station, I have simulated it having a short platform as per real life (if this station was really to exist). This directly means that HST's and any trains longer than 2 cars have to overhang the platform, therefore making the guard use the SDO system when opening (unlocking in a HST) doors at this station. An example of a service which overhangs this station is the hourly VWC (Virgin West Country) service from Stepford Central or Worcester Forgate Hill. The HST's have to stop at the signal (not on the platform but at the furthest HST stop marker (2+9 marker)) and the guard has to inform passengers of the short platform at this station and unlock the rear doors (the rear 6 coaches of the set irl (1 and a half coaches as simulated ingame)) to allow people to alight at Barnshore Junction station. This is however automatically carried out GPS as the class 170's (operated by Midlands Trains) have GPS controlled SDO fitted to the train and the PIS (Passenger Information System) system will announce that this station has a short platform and passengers would alight from the rear 2 coaches (would fit onto the platform irl) of the train. This is one of the many changes that people should look forward to in the next update. ;)

Picture taken: March 1999.

Note to viewer: This is not a feature in the forthcoming update and this was written for entertainment and for boredom satisfying purposes. xD

For anyone who took up interest in this post, would you ever like to see this map released as I can tell you, its a very good one. ;)

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #919 on: August 09, 2019, 03:54:29 PM »
The rolling stock graveyard - designed to commemorate those trains in pak.ngb who gave their lives to build this map to what it is today.

We will remember them.


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Re: [QUESTION] Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #920 on: August 12, 2019, 12:22:47 AM »
For anyone who took up interest in this post, would you ever like to see this map released as I can tell you, its a very good one. ;)

Would be nice to have it as a release.

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #921 on: August 12, 2019, 04:32:29 PM »
Would be nice to have it as a release.

Maybe I will start a new topic and possibly might release the map

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #922 on: August 14, 2019, 11:00:11 AM »
The rolling stock graveyard - designed to commemorate those trains in pak.ngb who gave their lives to build this map to what it is today.

We will remember them.


This is great :D

Those Class 442s might be making an appearance again after a repaint! And before long we'll get 319s in the north...

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #923 on: August 14, 2019, 12:16:06 PM »
This is great :D

Those Class 442s might be making an appearance again after a repaint! And before long we'll get 319s in the north...
Of course. But those liveries are now gone forever... :P

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #924 on: August 14, 2019, 01:50:33 PM »
Indeed! It's nice to look at these and see some progression in quality over the years, at least.

There will soon be some ATW units to add to this graveyard, too...

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Re: Great Britain simulation in Simutrans Experimental
« Reply #925 on: August 14, 2019, 02:06:22 PM »
Indeed! It's nice to look at these and see some progression in quality over the years, at least.

There will soon be some ATW units to add to this graveyard, too...
Although some, like the RHTT trains, are actually quite new, relatively speaking at least - they just haven't been used recently.

I find the current contrast between a modern 2018/19 setting in the South and a 2014 setting in the North an interesting abstract take on the North/South divide personally.  :D