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Offline DirrrtyDirk

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Menu skin discussion
« on: October 22, 2009, 02:52:52 PM »
Why was the skin moved away from the pak folder anyway? Anything special planned with that?

(Oh and apparently it belongs under simutrans/skin/menu.WindowSkin.pak now)

But if another file exists in the pak folder, that one is will be used. So for paksets with different skins: just leave them where they are (at least for now... don't know what the future brings)

EDIT: this post was originally after http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=3606.msg35075#msg35075
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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 04:04:25 PM »
??

Sorry, I don´t understand ..

The menu.WindowSkin.pak is from simutrans-code or from the PAK??
So must we change the PAKs or must I generate the menu.WindowSkin.pak for the nightltys (code)?


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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 05:01:13 PM »
Ok, step by step:

Apparently the file menu.WindowSkin.pak is no longer supposed to be part of the pak-folders (at least not in pak64) but has been moved to a new location (sub-folder "skin" in the simutrans program folder). So you'd have to change the big nightly package (the one with not just the .exe) just a little: create one more subfolder (="skin"), and that should simply contain the menu.WindowSkin.pak from pak64 I presume.

Although I still have no idea why this was done.

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 05:05:28 PM »
This allows the user to use his own menu for all pak sets and also to use all window elements during start up. I find the idea of a different skin for every pakset rather annoying (with the exeption of pak contrast and pak handdrawn) and confusing for new players.

But aparently I forgot to change distribution.sh accordingly.

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2009, 05:18:14 PM »
Thanks for the exploration

I will look ... but not today ....

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2009, 05:22:18 PM »
Oh so that's why! I thought about some different reasons, but this sounds good as well.

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2009, 05:39:07 PM »
Thanks for the explanation, prissi.

But I don't think different windowskins are so much of a problem. More confusing (especially for new players) are probably the different menu structures and icons in each pakset... (But I wouldn't like to miss them, as most paksets IMO are supposed to look and feel different from each other.

So, I actually like the possibility to have a different skin for each pakset... for me it adds to the feeling of having something else, something different from the other paks... but that's just my personal point of view.

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2009, 06:01:15 PM »
That's more or less true. Personally, however...

a) the gui should follow some [universal] design principles, which does not happen often with addon skins - text contrast, unobtrusive background, recognizable elements and so on

b) current skinning possibilities are almost none (and I do not mind in the least!)

c) just one skin per game session, requires manipulation with files - for my tastes too hard to customize (again does not matter to me)

So I do not care much for skins.



Good point with menus.

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2009, 06:03:38 PM »
I've split the topic. Original topic: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=3606.0

But I don't think different windowskins are so much of a problem. More confusing (especially for new players) are probably the different menu structures and icons in each pakset... (But I wouldn't like to miss them, as most paksets IMO are supposed to look and feel different from each other.)

I don't have so enough time to speak, I just agree with DirrrtyDirk's statement.

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2009, 06:17:38 PM »
This allows the user to use his own menu for all pak sets and also to use all window elements during start up. I find the idea of a different skin for every pakset rather annoying (with the exeption of pak contrast and pak handdrawn) and confusing for new players.
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 ???

But the player can reload his favored Skin on the Addon folder.

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 03:28:50 PM »
I cannot supply a skin with my pak set anymore?

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 04:00:50 PM »
No you can. The default skin is only used for the pak set (and maybe language selection dialoge).

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Re: Menu skin discussion
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 04:02:44 PM »
Cool, thanks :)