Author Topic: MLM developements !  (Read 116589 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline gauthier

MLM developements !
« on: August 30, 2008, 05:55:42 PM »
presentation and download on SNFOS website : http://simutrans.fr/doku.php?id=en:mlm_dev

IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH USING MLM !!!

1st : MLM dev. uses a independant maglev waytype which is avaible ONLY after version 100 of Simutrans so MLM won't works in an earlier version (99.17, ...)

_ MLM dev. is designed for standard pak128 (not for pak128.britain or others pak128 ...).

_ Simutrans crashes when I build a depot.
=> Please download a recent nightly version of Simutrans.

_ I haven't anything in maglev toolbar.
=> check you have at least way.magnetic.pak in the folder pak128, if you don't have, download MLM dev. and copy all its files in pak128.
=> first maglevs objects are avaible from 2003, check if you obey the timeline and if the timeline is at least in 2003.

_ I have another problem :(
=> Please report it in this topic after reading other problems.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2015, 02:25:07 PM by gauthier »

Offline HeinBloed

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 09:39:23 PM »
Very nice, looking forward to making use of this.  :)
(previously known as "tttron")

Offline V813

  • *
  • Posts: 47
  • Total likes: 0
  • Helpful: 0
  • Hi from Hong Kong :)
  • Languages: EN, ZH
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2008, 07:39:06 AM »
Seems very good! Hope it can be included in the main pak128.
And is it a separate system from monorails?
V813
Simutrans newbie.

Offline DirrrtyDirk

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 1253
  • Total likes: 1
  • Helpful: 11
  • JR 700 Series Shinkansen
  • Languages: EN,DE
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2008, 10:51:39 AM »
Apparently it will be maglev_track - which is different from monorail.
  
***** PAK128 Dev Team - semi-retired*****

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2008, 11:21:25 AM »
It's different, that's why you have to activate maglev tools in menuconf.tab.


I hope so  ;D

I think completely finish this set in ... 3 or 4 days.

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2008, 02:21:09 PM »
I made a huge mistake : all vehicles are compiled with "waytype=monorail_track"  :-X
I change this immediately and update file.

sorry sorry sorry sorry

EDIT : file replaced
« Last Edit: August 31, 2008, 02:41:41 PM by gauthier »

Offline PatrickN

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2008, 07:15:42 PM »
Wow.  Those really do look great.

Painter, in and out of retirement.

Offline Ashley

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2008, 08:30:26 PM »
Nice to see a finished release :) I like the signal gantries especially, very futuristic looking.
Use Firefox? Interested in IPv6? Try SixOrNot the IPv6 status indicator for Firefox.
Why not try playing Simutrans online? See the Game Servers board for details.

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2008, 09:11:23 PM »
Quote
Nice to see a finished release

Not yet ! There are some improvements to make ...

Offline Václav

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 3229
  • Total likes: 14
  • Helpful: 16
  • formerly VaclavMacurek
  • Languages: CZ, EN
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 09:59:58 AM »
I don't like quoting of picture replies.

So I write this: it looks well but only TransRapid TR-08 is very nice and mirror of real one as it can be - but I don't know anything about other ones (in spite of I am interested in trains - somebody needs something illegal to be happy, I need only looking at some trains - mainly some new or reconstructed czech ones - but international train called Hungaria or Vindobona is very nice too).

At all: maglev track is looking well but maglev trains are not - excepting named TransRapid TR-08. Original project was not so good as it is. Original train was no nice for me - because it was too cornered (excuse me my english).
« Last Edit: September 03, 2008, 10:03:18 AM by VaclavMacurek »

Chybami se člověk učí - ale někteří lidé jsou nepoučitelní

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2008, 10:41:53 AM »
I know it that's why I'm improving their look.

Other trains can not be mirror of real one because they don't exist, It's the future and I like creating a new style otherwise all vehicles will look like themselves.

Sturmfeder

  • Guest
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 03:14:01 PM »
Great job on this!  I can't wait till the final release. Also, is the way type maglev_track or something else? I have a few vehicle add-on ideas for this already.

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 03:59:36 PM »
Quote
Also, is the way type maglev_track or something else?
it's waytype=maglev_track

Offline Václav

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 3229
  • Total likes: 14
  • Helpful: 16
  • formerly VaclavMacurek
  • Languages: CZ, EN
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2008, 11:52:21 AM »
Other trains can not be mirror of real one because they don't exist, It's the future and I like creating a new style otherwise all vehicles will look like themselves.

That's OK. I thought they are not mirror of real ones - but I don't know how far is development of japanese project of maglev (I think in real world, not in game - there is not maglev project included anyway).

Chybami se člověk učí - ale někteří lidé jsou nepoučitelní

Offline DirrrtyDirk

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 1253
  • Total likes: 1
  • Helpful: 11
  • JR 700 Series Shinkansen
  • Languages: EN,DE
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2008, 12:27:12 PM »
I started doing some of the JR Maglev trains a while ago - but I haven't come very far yet.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/JR-Maglev-MLX01-2.jpg)
  
***** PAK128 Dev Team - semi-retired*****

Offline Erik

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2008, 02:48:06 PM »
Great
I Will try it immediately


Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2008, 05:05:18 PM »
Don't hesitate tell me here bugs that you may see  ;)

I have forgotten to say it : megnetic depot only works with r1973 (and probably higher).

Offline Beder

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2008, 08:30:54 PM »
Hello,
i tried it and i saw some bugs:

- Special Construction Tools:
SNFOS_glass-corridor  hasn't any picture.. you just see the name but you don't know how it will look like.


The Bridge only starts from the normal tracks, not from the elevated. why not? It should be possible to get a bridge started from an elevated track.



Then i found another bug: If i want a station to transport goods, i have to build a warehouse close to it and also on the receiving site. Then i start a transporting maglev, but whatever i do: if i click on the warehouse, simutrans sdl r1994 crashes.

Sorry for my bad English. I'm really tired ;-)

Offline DirrrtyDirk

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 1253
  • Total likes: 1
  • Helpful: 11
  • JR 700 Series Shinkansen
  • Languages: EN,DE
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2008, 09:07:28 PM »
About the bridge: that's normal simutrans behaviour with elevated ways - has been like that for a long time (see monorail) - so that's not gauthier's bug.
  
***** PAK128 Dev Team - semi-retired*****

Offline Václav

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 3229
  • Total likes: 14
  • Helpful: 16
  • formerly VaclavMacurek
  • Languages: CZ, EN
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2008, 10:03:16 AM »
And by the way: you can look on one of my finished projects of bridge for classic trains - it is in czech part of forum - exactly in topic Nová grafika pro pak128 - or you can search for my replies but you cannot understand of most of my replies becuase they are written czech.

Recently I sent VS files of that bridge for creation of *.pak file. So I hope he will make it soon.

My drawing abilities are short in spite of those pictures could seem good and so I will draw only some buildings and bridges. But now I am encouraged to prepare track for japanese maglev - but it could be similar to maglev in TTD. It is clear japanese maglev has to have quite else track than european TransRapid.

Photo of TransRapid from wikipedia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Maglev_june2005.jpg

Photo of japanese model from wikipedia (I think it is same DirrrtyDirk used in one of his replies):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/JR-Maglev-MLX01-2.jpg
« Last Edit: September 05, 2008, 10:32:26 AM by VaclavMacurek »

Chybami se člověk učí - ale někteří lidé jsou nepoučitelní

Offline Erik

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2008, 03:57:22 PM »
I have try the MLM dev experimental set. But take a error when i would build a magnetic depot.
So I need to work with r1973. But where can I download it?


Sturmfeder

  • Guest
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2008, 04:02:38 PM »
So I need to work with r1973. But where can I download it?

you can download the nightly builds from here http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=24.0

Offline DirrrtyDirk

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 1253
  • Total likes: 1
  • Helpful: 11
  • JR 700 Series Shinkansen
  • Languages: EN,DE
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2008, 04:25:29 PM »
But now I am encouraged to prepare track for japanese maglev

As I just answered to your pm: don't bother - it's already available here.
  
***** PAK128 Dev Team - semi-retired*****

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 05:40:50 PM »
Quote
SNFOS_glass-corridor  hasn't any picture.. you just see the name but you don't know how it will look like.

sorry ... will be repaired in final release probably this week-end.

Quote
Then i found another bug: If i want a station to transport goods, i have to build a warehouse close to it and also on the receiving site. Then i start a transporting maglev, but whatever i do: if i click on the warehouse, simutrans sdl r1994 crashes.

It's normal you have to build warehouse, it's more realistic  ;)
but for the bug I can't do anything for you, you have to signal the bug on the adapted part of the forum.

Offline z9999

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2008, 05:59:20 PM »
Then i found another bug: If i want a station to transport goods, i have to build a warehouse close to it and also on the receiving site. Then i start a transporting maglev, but whatever i do: if i click on the warehouse, simutrans sdl r1994 crashes.

Did you install "symbol.MaglevStop.pak" ?
I don't know gauthier's MLM set includes it or not, but it needs to open station window without crashing.

I attached "symbol.MaglevStop.pak" which Frank made it.

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2008, 06:08:19 PM »
I didn't know for what it serves, I will include it ;)

Offline DirrrtyDirk

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 1253
  • Total likes: 1
  • Helpful: 11
  • JR 700 Series Shinkansen
  • Languages: EN,DE
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2008, 06:55:30 PM »
Actually this needs to be included in pak128 soon... (as well as the one for narrowgauge)
  
***** PAK128 Dev Team - semi-retired*****

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2008, 02:04:18 PM »
Sorry everybody ... I have more much work than I planed so final release will be on line in a couple of weeks.
I will do as fast as I can, sorry again.

Offline Qayyum

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2008, 04:53:06 PM »
Wow :o. Now that's the future of trains 8).

Good work overall, gauthier ;).
Simutrans - the super-duper enhanced Transport Tycoon Deluxe

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2008, 05:33:14 PM »
Quote
Good work overall, gauthier Wink.

Thank you but it's too much early for say it, it's not finished yet  :D

Offline Václav

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 3229
  • Total likes: 14
  • Helpful: 16
  • formerly VaclavMacurek
  • Languages: CZ, EN
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2008, 12:03:01 PM »
other projects :
_ TGVs, RER, TER, Corail, French engines, RATP buses.
_ high speed trucks

High speed trucks: they are needed but they could be useless if no high speed tunnel will be available (80 km/h is very low speed if  many buses and some trucks can go faster than 100 km/h). Mainly trailers for raws as coal, iron ore and so on are needed because last of them is available only before year 1980 (or something about, I am not sure).

I would like what ones are RER, TER, Corail and RATP buses.

TGV:
current version of TGV Duplex is terrible. Weak engine and impossibility of assembling of more trains into one unit.
TGV "Atlantic type" is very good but it has weak engine too -> but possiblity of assembling multiple units is overriding weak engines.

ICE: current version could be good but it is only one of many versions - three are at least if I will count only shapes of train, not type of engine (diesel or electric).

... but object of this reply could be base for next topics more than common reply to this topic about MLM. So I am sorry for this.

Chybami se člověk učí - ale někteří lidé jsou nepoučitelní

Offline DirrrtyDirk

  • Devotee
  • *
  • Posts: 1253
  • Total likes: 1
  • Helpful: 11
  • JR 700 Series Shinkansen
  • Languages: EN,DE
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2008, 02:40:28 PM »
You should think about opening a different thread for these projects, since this one here is about maglev (or gauthier's MLM to be precise)...
  
***** PAK128 Dev Team - semi-retired*****

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2008, 04:56:50 PM »
Quote
igh speed trucks: they are needed but they could be useless if no high speed tunnel will be available (80 km/h is very low speed if  many buses and some trucks can go faster than 100 km/h). Mainly trailers for raws as coal, iron ore and so on are needed because last of them is available only before year 1980 (or something about, I am not sure).

I will make the tunnel, don't worry  ;D

Quote
I would like what ones are RER, TER, Corail and RATP buses.
RER is the suburb network of Paris, some pictures ...
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/gif/reseaux/rer.gif
http://www.allons-sortir.fr/illustration/Vie-Pratique/RER/RER-A-RATP-s.jpg
http://www.allons-sortir.fr/illustration/Vie-Pratique/RER/RER-C-SNCF.jpg
http://troi.cc.rochester.edu/~tdip/rer-3.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/193743650_db943ded1a_o_Paris_RER_E_Station_Haussman.jpg

TER is a regional train
http://accel10.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/01/08/79/images-ferroviaires/ter-x-72601.jpg
http://www.sty.fr/images/ter%20ca.jpg
http://lyonrail.free.fr/b6dux-ter-1.jpg

Corail is an intercity train used where there is not TGV.
http://www.photosdetrains.net/images/BB22200/BB2220053.jpg
http://www.photosdetrains.net/images/BB22200/BB2220042.jpg
http://trainmania.canalblog.com/images/P5130020.JPG

In Paris suburb, there are 2 transport companies : SNCF wich has most of the train lines and RATP wich has buses, subways and a part of 2 RER lines. Buses :
http://www.ac-versailles.fr/etabliss/ec-buisson-villiers-le-bel/images/RATP1.jpg
http://www.transbus.org/photos/citaro_ratp4307.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.fuller1/images/ratp_6543.jpg
http://www.allons-sortir.fr/illustration/Vie-Pratique/bus/irisbus-ratp.jpg

Quote
TGV:
current version of TGV Duplex is terrible. Weak engine and impossibility of assembling of more trains into one unit.
TGV "Atlantic type" is very good but it has weak engine too -> but possiblity of assembling multiple units is overriding weak engines.
I know but I won't leave TGV-PSE allone in train depots  ;D

Quote
ICE: current version could be good but it is only one of many versions - three are at least if I will count only shapes of train, not type of engine (diesel or electric).

I make french transports for the moment ...

JustinKwan

  • Guest
Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2008, 03:32:22 PM »
nice job!! Carry on! :D

Offline gauthier

Re: MLM developements !
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2008, 04:54:26 PM »
I keep you informed about project progress :
Most of vehicles have been remade, most of the changes are anti-aliasing. Only Cirrus (31 vehicles ...) has not been changed yet.

Work left :
_ Remake AMT and fix problems with other ways.
_ Weak the texture effect of tunnels
_ Add a texture for elevated signals
_ Look for improvements for station halls.