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Re: New Simutrans site - WIP version
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2009, 09:07:16 PM »
Regardless of what I write below, the page is nice and works, apart from a few small quirks. And yes, we should have it on sourceforge, too. Or if any of our admins ever get time to do it, redirect the main domain to sf.net.



Ok, are we offtopic or not... probably yes. But as it all is related to the page, maybe not so fatally?

I am not saying the validator is wrong. I am saying it went too far. 128 warnings, and how about showing me the errors? I have to search in the output? Why could the "official" validator do that and this one not?

This is critcism of the program, not what it says about the page. All the errors are of course there. But the real number is 7, not 128.

On the subject of xhtml. Five years ago I would recommend it and argue. Three years ago I would suggest it as one of two alternatives, both with their pros and cons. Today I am not sure anymore what to think ;D I like how clean its rules are. But you get definitely less problems with strict html. The need to serve it with different mimetype (in http!) is the biggest obstacle. Switching to xhtml is not just "upgrade", it is also a slight shift of paradigm, and if people don't adjust to that, their xhtml will be always $^&%, because they don't think in terms of it. And that is the hard part.

Once it is written as xhtml, let's not break it just for the sake of it.

Should I try and tear apart the sources as well?
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html > body > div #green > div #main > div #header > div .center > div .header_nav_menu
Why is the link bar five divs inside each other? Or rather, is there a reason to make it so? And why is the whole page in one div? You have the same background rule for div#green and body. And zero use of cascading, so it is all just "styles". That's why you need so many divs.

Anyway, that is all under the hood, and we don't have to care about that, as long as it validates, which is just a few clicks away.

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Re: New Simutrans site - WIP version
« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2009, 06:55:47 AM »
Shouldn't this go on sourceforge to raise our rating there?

I dont think it needs to be on sf.net to raise the rating, you just need to display the logo.

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Re: New Simutrans site - WIP version
« Reply #72 on: March 10, 2009, 10:13:08 PM »
Recently the sf logo criterion has changed (and 102 has been released). It needs now to lik to: http://sourceforge.net/projects/simutrans (more information https://sourceforge.net/community/forum/topic.php?id=4666)

The following logos are available:
https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/logo.php?group_id=196471

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Re: New Simutrans site - WIP version
« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2009, 06:10:06 PM »
Site has been updated.

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Re: New Simutrans site - changes
« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2009, 05:44:48 PM »
Little changes in Simutrans site:

Simutrans Development and History page has received some new images and a link to Simutrans Graphic Archive was added.

http://www.simutrans.com/development.htm

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Re: New Simutrans site - WIP version
« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2009, 01:59:12 PM »
Could you add pak192.comic to the paksets page?



And what's with the http://192comic.simutrans.com/ ? Can I get the information for it?


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Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #76 on: May 24, 2009, 02:18:11 AM »
I've just included 192comic in Simutrans.com, but I need yet:

- 1 paragraph with description (3~4 lines);
- 3 full screenshots (see pak128).

About the domain: 192comic.simutrans.com is already working, but I need to transfer it for you. Sorry for delay. As you are seeing, our forum was hacked. :(

EDIT:

192comic.simutrans.com has been created.

EDIT 2:

PakSets page has received a little revamp: new links for sites and discussions, and a navigation bar.
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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #77 on: June 14, 2009, 01:40:24 PM »
Simutrans site has received some changes:

- all: header has now more consistent behavior between FireFox and IE;
- index: aesthetics, better visualization and "SourceForge Community Choice Awards" button was removed;
- paksets: Museum was transferred to Development page, new nav-bar, pak192comic link updated.

http://www.simutrans.com
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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #78 on: June 14, 2009, 08:20:59 PM »
IT'S ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE!

(where "horrible" means "looks great" ;-) )

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #79 on: June 14, 2009, 08:41:39 PM »
Typical Evil-Isaac sense of humor.... ::)

Now serious, I really like the changes, specially the development section. very good work.

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #80 on: June 14, 2009, 08:59:38 PM »
I try to keep y'all entertained. ;-)

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #81 on: June 15, 2009, 12:19:16 AM »
It's just Isaac delivering a quote of nonsense on my request. :D



Simutrans site has received few more improvements:

- Tooltips was added into navigation bar, in the header.
- Simutrans facebook was added in Links page. (http://www.simutrans.com/links.htm)
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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #82 on: June 22, 2009, 03:19:52 PM »
Maybe the pak sets shoudl be sorted by size? I.e. first all pak64 then pak96 then the two pak64 or so. Or along popularity by SF-downloads? Currently the order is extremely random and probably confusing to a newbie, I feel. What does you think?

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #83 on: June 22, 2009, 03:33:34 PM »
You had suggested me to sort by importance (what makes sense too):

The pak set should reflect their importance and uptodate state. I.e. First of course pak64 and pak128. Then pak96 and pakHajo.Evolution (or maybe this directly behind pak64) before featureing any sets for specific locations.

Following that I would suggest pak128.japan (complete) pak.german (at least playable). All the other are probably missing something or will not even start in 101. There should be a clear divider or a clear statement, which is the last version they run with.

I could use the following criteria: 1st, by size; 2nd: by theme. E.g.:

pak32.comic
pak64
pakGerman
pakHajo
pakJapan
pak96comic
pak128
pak128.Britain
pak192.comic
...

I feel strange with pak32.comic heading... :-\ I'll think about it later.
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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #84 on: June 22, 2009, 03:37:36 PM »
Why not from older to younger?

pak64
pak128
pakHajo
pak32.comic
pak96comic
pak128.Britain
pak192.comic

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #85 on: June 22, 2009, 03:39:51 PM »
This is the complete and current list:

pak64
pak128
pak96.comic
pak192.comic
pakHAJO Evolution
pak128.Japan
pakGerman
pakJapan
pak128.Britain
Abo Set
pakContrast
pakHD
pak32.comic
Other experiences

Feel free to give me suggestions.

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #86 on: June 22, 2009, 03:41:22 PM »
I agree size order is clear enough for everybody, from noobs to experts. And I like the size+theme sorting Igor suggested. But I really don't mind pak32.comic in the top... If I had to vote, I'd choose size+theme.

PS: Vilvoh has managed to get a "name size" sorting, wich is very nice at first sight :D


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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2009, 09:14:38 AM »
I've noticed about this in the main web:
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# Homepage:pak69 Homepage (german)Shouldn't it be pak96?

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2009, 09:31:47 AM »
pak69 sounds more sexy, you know...  :-*

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #89 on: June 30, 2009, 09:51:51 AM »
lol... can't have pak69 until network gameplay works! hehe

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #90 on: June 30, 2009, 10:05:17 AM »
lol... can't have pak69 until network gameplay works! hehe
Well... many games implement multiplayer with hot-seat instead of network... maybe it's not the same but... ;)

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #91 on: June 30, 2009, 10:19:29 AM »
"hot seat" indeed... o.O

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #92 on: June 30, 2009, 10:29:20 AM »

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #93 on: June 30, 2009, 09:43:00 PM »
I'm going to report you all to the sex police :police: you naughty disgusting people. Anyway what does '69' mean, I seem to have forgotten. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #94 on: June 30, 2009, 09:47:02 PM »
Anyway what does '69' mean, I seem to have forgotten. ;D ;D ;D

It's clear, 69 means 68 and you owe me one...there's no sexual connotations anywhere... ::)

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #95 on: July 02, 2009, 07:36:31 PM »
A-HEM!

Simutrans Download page has received an important change. Now you can download Simutrans Complete, ready to play.

http://www.simutrans.com/download.htm

Comments are welcome. :)

EDIT: paksets links need to be fixed. I didn't know SourceForge had changed download system o.O'.

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #96 on: July 02, 2009, 08:01:04 PM »
pakHAJO is not pakHAJO.evolution

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #97 on: July 02, 2009, 08:12:24 PM »
As I said before at here, Windows version of Simutrans Complete is nightly version and translation text files are very old.
It should be replaced to new one.

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #98 on: July 02, 2009, 09:36:33 PM »
How can I say.... I discover things after "a while". (got it?)

We're having a lot of troubles because players and download sites that can't handle Simutrans' way of installing.

An important download site of Brazil, www.baixaki.com.br, said Simutrans has a "complicated installation process" and "unhappily, although Simutrans is a good game, its installation is not very simple and friendly. It requests several steps and tasks to be accomplished manually by the user."

Then I "discoved" a Simutrans Complete, I tested and saw it worked (I saw "nightly" in title bar too, but I trusted in SF description), then I'm publishing on the site.

If somebody provided me a complete and trustful Simutrans for every OS, I'd be glad and we're getting rid of "OMG! Simutrans won't start. plz halp mee!!!111" topics.

pakHAJO is not pakHAJO.evolution

I followed what Hajo wrote in topic title (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=233.0) and it has been "pakHAJO.evolution" in board description, in forum index, for last 10 months:

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Other paksets
Discussions and development of new pakset projects. (Current paks here: pak32.comic, pak128.Britain, pak192.comic, pakContrast, pakGerman, pakHajo Evolution and pakTTD) .

Unless, there are two pakHajo's, but I don't know.

Also: I've just discovered right now someone redirected http://simutrans.sourceforge.net/ to http://www.simutrans.com/. Thanks. I was almost asking it. :)
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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #99 on: July 02, 2009, 09:44:47 PM »
...so we should probably ship exe with pak64 for the... not technically gifted?

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #100 on: July 02, 2009, 10:18:54 PM »
I don't know any other kind of game you download incomplete and then you need to visit the site in order to make the game workable, like Simutrans. Otherwise, no game; no fun. It's not the first time someone complains at me that Simutrans is "complicated" to install.

Probably there are lots of download sites that provide only Simutrans executable without the paks, as I said (and we lose players at the source).

It's a good moment to think we should release a ready-to-play version for every stable, for every OS, besides the traditional way.

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #101 on: July 02, 2009, 11:22:18 PM »
The plan for Simutrans-Experimental in the long term is to make it available as a one-step install for the three major operating systems, incorporating the binaries, a fully compatible pakset, and Simutrans-Experimental specific help texts.

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #102 on: July 08, 2009, 12:03:33 AM »
Suggestion: Release ready-to-play versions in both zips and installer?

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #103 on: July 08, 2009, 02:34:04 AM »
This depends on devteam. Blender's downloads work in same way: http://www.blender.org/download/get-blender/

I made some changes in download page: http://www.simutrans.com/download.htm

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Re: Simutrans site - www.simutrans.com
« Reply #104 on: July 08, 2009, 06:46:34 AM »
The icons are really nice... ;D

I would use variations of the same color for Simutrans per parts section background.. i.e: bright blue for binaries section and dark blue for pakSets section.