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Offline Milko

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Airbus A320 Family
« on: February 04, 2011, 07:43:15 PM »
Hi

I'm trying to build airplanes for Pak128Britain.
I started with models of Airbus, in particular, I am dedicated to family 320.
This is my first attempt, an EasyJet A319 livery. In the future, other models will follow in the same family (recycle and adapt the model 319).
I enclose the 319 EasyJet to express your opinion (this is my first model and I need to improve the design).
Do you think that the colors are ok for pakBritain?
Things to be done in the graphic field:
Align the template.
Things to do in the configuration (the. dat file is still in draft):
Update the dates of introduction / withdrawal
Updating the fixed costs, variable, comfort and load time.
Update the cost of purchase.

Power and speed are what I took from the datasheet of the vehicle.

My idea is to achieve the following models / liveries.

A318 - British Airways DONE
A319 - British Airways DONE
A319 - EasyJet (differs from the previous in that it introduced later, more power, more passengers, poor comfort, lower variable costs plus fixed costs, less time to load), the idea is that this is preferable for EasyJet flights full load and are most often compared to British DONE
A320 - Thomson DONE
A321 - Monarch DONE

New A320 Cargo / Post - I'm thinking, actually A320 is not cargo but airbus is planning....

I am available for changes or suggestions.

One more thing ... the time available, I will take a little while to finish everything.

Giuseppe
« Last Edit: February 28, 2011, 12:33:22 PM by Milko »

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2011, 10:11:04 PM »
It looks good.

However It is quite big. with same scale A380 would have 230 pixels wingspan.

Has anyone thought about plane scale?

64 meters / tile scale would make A380 160 pixels wide and save lots of buildings at airports.

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 02:29:45 AM »
My initial impression is that it looks rather good - thank you for making a start on aircraft! It is difficult to comment on the colours without seeing it in-game, however, and, so far, I have only had a brief look at the uploaded graphic.

As to the size - big is preferable if practicable, as aircraft are large in reality, so the closer that we can get to a consistent scale, the better. An commercial jet not much bigger than a railway locomotive would look silly, after all.

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 04:01:29 PM »
A great start - a few comments though:

1) Scale - as Archon says a consistent scale is desirable.  Trains are 32m per tile.  The max we can have is 224x224 pixels. I'd go for 50m per tile, and see what that looks like.  Boats don't really have a scale, but things like the SS Great Eastern are massive compared to trains in real life but in game it's just not practical to have scales that even remotely match.

2) Colour - the whites look a bit bright.  I found when rendering in blender that pale greys give the best result - are you using the same settings as the rest of pak128.Britain?

3) There seems to be some black edging - this may look odd in game. 

4) Pure black should be used for windows, rather than blue.

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 08:04:57 PM »
Hi all

@James

I added a "dat" with the date of introduction very soon, the plane can also be tested using the standard example of saving pakBritain, I hope you can see it as soon as an idea to do with it.

@Archon / Scale issue

Scaling is the biggest problem. I used a scale of one tile 128px = 45 meters. In doing so, as you yourself say, the wingspan of an Airbus A380 would be 226.8 pixels. Using a scale of one tile  128px = 46 meters, the same wingspan would be 221.9 px (which may be in a tile of 224).
I would prefer that you use a scale of this order because the smaller planes as older ones, would be very small and therefore not very nice to see. For example, the Douglas DC3, which already is 20 meters long with 45 meters for one tile corresponds to 57px. Also in the future I would like to also do some Embraer aircraft or some kind of regional transport the ATR42/62, planes are not very large.
I would say, however, to address the issue of scaling well in this thread in order to choose the best value to be used then for all future models so that they are proportionally correct.
My proposal is one tile = 46 m corresponding to an A380 in a tile by 224px.

@ The hood
2) I'm using the template pakBritain (the one with lots of sun for instance http://simutrans-germany.com/files/upload/template-blend-128-Britain.zip) but about the other settings ... I do not know, how can I find them?
3) How can I get the edges of blacks? A hand-paint or are there filters GIMP or blender that can help me?
4) The side windows are blacks, but the front window is blue, you're right, turned it into black.

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2011, 10:27:22 PM »
Milko,

If you are using the template file, then I just suggest that you make the whites a bit more grey.  I'd be interested to see how it looks in game though but I don't have time to test it myself. 

Re scale, I think that your 46m per tile seems reasonable.  A 224px A380 would just about work, and would look big, but then it is big so that's about right!

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2011, 04:16:32 PM »
Hi

I'm trying to align the model using parameters "a" and "b":
EmptyImage[E]=./A319.0.2,a,b

For example:
EmptyImage[E]=./A319.0.2,-20,-10

Parameter "a" modify the alignement, parameter "b" don't modify anything.

It's a bug?

I'm using last makeobj-exp.

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2011, 10:59:42 PM »
Hi

Next version:
- black windows
- sound added
- more dark
- scale: 1 tile = 46 meters

Better?

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2011, 11:50:46 PM »
You refer to adding sound, but you have not uploaded a .wav file - was this intended?

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 08:47:34 AM »
Hi

I simply added sound=aircraft-jet_stop.wav in the dat file, using the sound already present in the sound folder  :) , now the plane has a sound.  :)

What do you think of the problem of offset parameters I mentioned earlier?

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 10:45:18 AM »
Not sure why there's a problem with the offset parameters.  The new plane looks good - looking forward to a screenshot once it's in game succesfully - or I may try myself this weekend if I get time (big if)

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 11:28:26 AM »
What do you think of the problem of offset parameters I mentioned earlier?
Giuseppe, could you test with the new makeobj 51 (for standard)? It is available at sourceforge. Could be that there was a bug that is now fixed.

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2011, 06:48:40 PM »
It seems to work very nicely for me - I think it looks perfect in game.  Mind if I add it to the SVN?

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2011, 11:00:20 PM »
That looks lovely in the game! Excellent to see aircraft at last. Good work, Giuseppe!

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2011, 05:16:04 PM »
Hi

Well, I'm glad you like it. I therefore consider the graphical portion completed.

Ok to insert the SVN, this is where I hope.  :)

Now I'm thinking of the file. "dat ".... I need your help because I'm not very expert in balance.

I would also like to speak with you an additional argument: the alignment.

I was indeed talking about the problem in this tread http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=6844.0.

When the plane stops in south-east or south-west of the stop box is more than half compared to when it stops in the north-east north-west. The problem manifests itself in all major pak, but it seems that the plane has stopped moving out of the stop.

I would say to leave unchanged the graphic and, at most, to include offsets in the file. "dat".

EDIT: I add a new ".dat" file.

EDIT2: A319 with new livery British Airways, some difference in the ".dat" respect EasyJet.

I append the two graphics and ".dat" files.

Ok to insert in the svn.

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2011, 01:21:45 PM »
Excellent, I've added these two to the SVN and got a screenshot as a taster below.  I also used the BA version as the icon for air tools.  Balancing can wait for now.



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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2011, 01:56:58 PM »
Hi

I was looking the ".dat" in the svn.
The date of introduction of the A319 EasyJet should be modified  :), because the first flight was made in October 2003 (intro_year=2003, intro_month=10), before that date, easy jet used the Boeing 737.

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2011, 06:52:00 PM »
I brought the date forward to 1996 as that was the first delivery date of the A319 - I know EasyJet bought theirs later but there's no reason to prevent the player from buying something earlier as long as it was available "on the market" then.

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2011, 08:18:19 PM »
Hi

The first image of British Airways that I posted (now is in the svn) has a problem, there is a spurious blue line at the top of the fuselage, and the flag on the rudder is not beautiful. I public a better picture then you can replace that SVN?

For the date of introduction of the A319 is better to anticipate what the british airways rather than the easy jet, the model of British Airways has less power, less number of passengers, more running cost than the easyjet precisely because it reflects the first airplane models, then improved over time. In the standard pak features of easy jet obviate the need for the British because they are all improved.
To make comparable British Airways is set greater comfort than the easy jet, but this is only possible in the experimental version.

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2011, 08:36:13 PM »
OK, i'll change it.

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2011, 04:44:32 PM »
@Dwachs / James

Problem of the offset X, Y.

I tested the makeobj51 is ok, the offsets X and Y are working perfectly.

The problem manifests itself in makeobj experimental (I tested the last version), only works one of two offsets, the other is ignored.

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2011, 12:37:34 AM »
Hmm, can you repost this as an Experimental bug report? Thank you for spotting this (although, it's rather curious, since I haven't modified any of the graphics routines).

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2011, 09:57:01 AM »
Goooooood morning pak128

And now a new plane for the svn.

Airbus A321, Monarch airlines livery.

There are two intro date, one for the A321 market intro date and one for A321 Monarch first fly. Choose the date you prefer.

As for the A319, the characteristics of the aircraft were taken from data sheet / Monarch Airlines.

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2011, 11:42:15 AM »
Looking good!

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2011, 11:58:21 AM »
:)

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2011, 08:12:29 PM »
Updated my first post.

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2011, 06:56:12 PM »
Hello

And now A318 British Airways.

PAX and airplanes characteristic are from A318 Data sheet, not from british airways characteristic (British airways has a all bussiness class A318 so pax are less).

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2011, 08:27:09 PM »
Excellent once again!

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2011, 02:30:10 PM »
I like these a lot!

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2011, 05:09:00 PM »
Hey guys, like how this planes look like with these liveries; they give a really nice "wide assortment" feeling ;)
One thing though... based on my experience I would suggest making all images same size; I mean, if the biggest plane you are gonna paint will be let's say 240 pixels, I would make all pictures 240x240, so you can later compile all them with the same "makeobj pak240 ./ ./" instruction. Just a suggestion. And keep that good work! :)

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2011, 05:20:56 PM »
pak128.Britain is compiled with a script, so it handles all of the different image sizes with different makeobj commands.  I just stick them in different directories...

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2011, 05:26:28 PM »
Well, take that in mind just if you want to keep all of them in the same folder, of course :)

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2011, 11:00:03 AM »
Hello

Now I'm working on A320, I would paint also post and cargo using the A320 family.

I found this site http://www.aerlinguscargo.com/cms/publish/Fleet_Equipment/Fleet_Equipment_Overview.shtml, Air Lingus (is a irish company) is using A320 / A321 to transport cargo and mail.

I know that I'm painting for pak128.Britian, but may I use Air Lingus livery (or also other liveries) for post/cargo? or it's better to find a British company?

I'm unable to find a british company that use A320 family to carry post and cargo....

Giuseppe

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2011, 03:42:58 PM »
Aer Lingus is close enough I guess - there are certainly plenty of them to see in Britain anyway so if there are no truly British ones I would suggest go with that.

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Re: Airbus A320 Family
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2011, 09:16:49 PM »
Hello

And now A320 Thomson Airways.

PAX, power, weight are from data sheet and thomson data.

In the second picture we can view the complete A320 (PAX) family.

Will follow cargo and post.

Giuseppe