Modern High Capacity Trams

[Fabio]

Hello,

after resuming a bit playing, I noticed that Pak 128 doesn't exploit all the possibilities of Trams.

This is why I planned a small set of modern high capacity trams, freely inspired by real life models.

Here's a preview:



From the top:

Fiat Ferroviaria 5000
3-car tram, 188 pax
intro 1990
used in Turin, Italy

Siemens Combino (classic)
3-car tram, 180 pax
5-car tram, 272 pax (requires 2-tile stops)
intro 1992
used in many cities, esp. in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, etc...

Bombardier Eurotram
5-car tram, 188 pax (requires 2-tile stops)
7-car tram, 292 pax (requires 2-tile stops)
possibility of longer combination of an odd number of cars (9, 11, etc...) requiring a stop/station of 3 or more tiles
intro 1996
used in Strasbourg, France, Milan, Italy, and many other cities

Alstom Cityway
5-car tram, 164 pax (requires 2-tile stops)
7-car tram, 224 pax (requires 2-tile stops)
intro 1998
used in Turin, Italy, and other cities, esp, in Italy

AnsaldoBreda Sirio
5-car tram, 232 pax (requires 2-tile stops)
7-car tram, 316 pax (requires 2-tile stops)
possibility of longer combination of an odd number of cars (9, 11, etc...) requiring a stop/station of 3 or more tiles
intro 2002
used in Milan, Italy, and many other cities

Siemens Combino Supra
3-car tram, 170 pax
4-car tram, 230 pax (requires 2-tile stops)
5-car tram, 290 pax (requires 2-tile stops)
possibility of longer combination of any number of cars (6, 7, 8, etc...) requiring a stop/station of 3 or more tiles
intro 2004
used in Budapest, Hungary, Vienna, Austria, and some other cities

[Václav]

They seem quite good. It was time for them - but until they will appear in game, I will stay on using French addon trams by Gwalch. I think it would be good to choose some ones of them - and add them together with these (from your post).

And also I suggest to use tram stop made by mEGa - but it is in duty to build it like railway stations, not bus/trolleybus stations.

[Fabio]

Unfortunately Gwalch's tram don't have the source files open (you can only download the pak).

If their sources were released, I think they all should be included in the official pak.

This set of 6 models will be released soon. After that Zeno could help me balancing them better (I can't find any formula, so I empirically based their values in proportion with Raven's trams).

In my TODO list there are also tram signals, 4-5 tram tracks (replacing the existing 2) and possibly a second catenary for speeds up to 100 km/h.

Additionally, I would like also a tram-only tunnel (presently I build a road tunnel and I lay tram tracks in it) for pre-metro systems (i.e. trams going underground downtown).

[Václav]

I think Gwalch would publish source files of those trams (and also track and catenary) if somebody would ask for it. And I can do it.

Tram-only tunnel - I think that it would be good - but (at least) I will use it very rarely - in accordance with conditions in my country.

And what about tram-only bridge? I think that if it would have max. length 4 or 5 it would be almost perfect. Longer ones are fully useless - due to people build trams mostly inside cities - and cities don't grow across wide water areas.

[Fabio]

Here you can test them: http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7793.0;attach=15983

[Václav]

Thanks. I will test them - in current game I am in year 1954 or so but I have not deleted previous game yet - and there I am in year 2040 or so.

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1. I have no complaints on their capacity, only Combino Supra has confusing constellation for (at least the first) using.
2. Is their colour native or are they coloured by player colour?

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I looked on Gwalch yesterday - and saw he is probably on holiday - because he logged in on 13^th July last day.
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Gwalch appeared in forum and wrote (here) he will do it after return from holiday.

[Zeno]

They look really nice, fabio. About balancing, I'll take a look at it, but IIRC trams were one of the relaxed balancing items, which means not very accurate but easy to calculate.

[Isaac_Clarke]

These trams are very successfull and god knows that I like this mode of transport. They serves my cities very well. Thanks fabio

[VS]

How did I miss this thread?

Are these ready for use, or still preview?

[greenling]

fabio
it´s Possible to get from the tram the PNG and Dat Files?
Thanks that you hate be make the new Trams.

[mEGa]

And also I suggest to use tram stop made by mEGa - but it is in duty to build it like railway stations, not bus/trolleybus stations.

Hi Guys,
@ fabio: more interesting and fine work.

@ Vaclav and others :
About my tram-single stop. I would continuing the design with your suggestions :
- correcting bugs
- get some ameliorations with night lights
- create few views for all period of the game.
What do you think about it ?

Note : I can (and want) get this pak an opensource creation, of course.

to testing :
http://www.simutrans-france.fr.nf/doku.php?id=en:snfosstations

Regards

[gwalch]

Hi !

For my tramways, i have problem with graphics.simutrans, but i am ok they will be open (and maybe in the pak).

[Václav]

- create few views for all period of the game.

Yeah, splendid.

So, why don't use station from following picture for any period of game?

BTW: it is the same picture as I linked in topic Bus and Tram Stops replacement project (where this and also your post should be ... moved)

[gwalch]

@ Vaclav
But ! It's not a bus, it's an hearse ("zu krematorien") !

[Václav]

... huh? ... Is it critics to bus, itself? or bad joke?

Text on bus is in my native language and is Za krematoriem (but I give you my pardon because it is not well readable) - but it is not changing anything on that joke - because it goes by city cemetery.

I had to use this photo because I did not find one with better detail of that station.

[gwalch]

Oh, it was just a joke !

I suppose that bus works with gas (LPG ?) and not gasoil, because of the upper part ?

[Václav]

Yes, it uses LPG - but I think that case on roof is not coverage for gas tank - but I am not sure.

[ӔO]

all LPG and CNG buses seem to have their tanks on the roof. Maybe it's for crash protection?

[Canalla]

is neither a tank nor protection is to lower the air conditioning warm temperatures and may also have heating in my city there are small amounts of these cars. Gretings

[gwalch]

I started to put sourcefiles from my tramways on http://graphics.simutrans.com/index.php?cat=10134
I would like to know if all my tramways seems interesting for the official paks, or just some of them (for exemple, i think my bombardier eurotram is not very good, i prefer fabio's one) ?
At this moment, i have done :
- Alsthom TFS from city of Nantes
- Alsthom Vevey from city of St Etienne
- Bombardier Eurotram from city of Strasbourg
- Alstom Citadis 301 from city of Montpellier
- Alstom Citadis 302 from city of Lyon
- Alstom Citadis 402 from city of Bordeaux
- Alstom Citadis 302 from city of Le Mans
- Alstom Citadis 302 from city of Reims
Do you want all of them ? Or just better ones ?

[Václav]

I vote for Bordeaux, Le Mans and Reims - and mostly for Le Mans, of called ones.

[mEGa]

For me all of them with a little preference for Le Mans

[greenling]

All tram from you are nice!
Make all public!

[Delite]

Thanks for these great trams! As an aside, I think the Siemens Avenio (the successor to the Combino and Combino Supra) and the Ultra Low Floor would be interesting trams to have.

[stmaker]

Useful for removing large group of people on an overcrowding station. Thanks. Make more if so.

[Václav]

I am worried about that tram has the same chance to empty overcrowded station - like other vehicles.

But else I agree with idea of post trams - that was called here.

[Fabio]

Finally they are ready for release:


Download the sources here:


http://public.gonella.eu/simutrans/tram/vehicles/trams.zip

[neldot]

Hello Fabio, congrats for your beautiful trams!

May I ask you if you can allow a three elements Sirio (in your current dat file the minimum composition allowed is five elements), to reflect the Sirio trams that run in Naples?
Thanks in advance!



A three elements Sirio tram at the PORTO terminus in Naples (a snowy Vesuvius in the background)

[Fabio]

Thank you, neldot!

This set of trams needs some additional work before official release, specifically antialiasing and some other details.

I think adding also a 3 elements combination could be rather easy, although I can't guarantee it will fit in a single tile stop.

I'll keep you posted!

[Fabio]

Here an updated release:

- Antialiasing for windows and roof
- Sirio can have also 3-car composition
- Removed T201 (Fiat F 5000), which might be part (once improved) of a second set ranging 1980-2000.

TEST PAK

[VS]

Only the TEST PAK link works now :(

[Fabio]

It baffles me: they are un the server, the name appears to be ok, but I get a 404, too.

Anyway, dat and png sources here in attachment!

[VS]

Uploaded to SVN. I'm no longer opposed to the graphics, but... How do others feel about the "omg lots of vehicles in depot" that results from this?

[Fabio]

Thank you! Personally I always play with show all disabled, so I only see the first car in the depot...

[greenling]

Fabio Thank you for the workaround of your tram.